WHat is the actual Storey table right now? Someone work it out.
Storeytime
- Thread starter peterstorey
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I have the current standings as
Man City (+5)
Man United (+4)
Chelsea (+2)
Liverpool (0)
Tottenham (-1)
Arsenal (-6)
Man City (+5)
Man United (+4)
Chelsea (+2)
Liverpool (0)
Tottenham (-1)
Arsenal (-6)
It's really annoying that we're behind City.
Can't see them beating all of Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs at Eastlands though.
Can't see them beating all of Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs at Eastlands though.
How are Liverpool still par? They're shit.
+3 for the win away at Arsenal, but -2 for drawing at home to Sunderland, and -1 for losing away to Stoke
Edit: is the actual reason, but the non mathematical version is: They are lucky cnuts
That's not the Storeytable. You forgot that the red card for Frimpong was soft and the first goal was offside so the Liverpool game was a draw. They didn't really have a team together for the United game. Draw as well.
Not even Storey can make Arsenal top of the league this season.
Ok wait, so this storey table, is it possible that, when all games have been played, one teams wins the actual prem while another team tops the storeytime table?
No.
Yeah, that's why I didn't dare show my face again for a month.
This was a very good point ignored.
Also, I don't understand why Wolves are in the midtable section (17th, 2010/11) and Blackburn are the bottom 5.
It's lead to different versions of the table!
Not really. It's not about how difficult the matches are, it's what a team that wants to win the title should be doing. Winning all your home matches is what they should be doing. If you get plus 1 for winning a home match, you're suggesting that a team should have got 2 points for that match, which is a bit nonsensical.
Pete decided Blackburn were going to be shit this season. I agree, because it means Arsenal are even worse off than they would be otherwise. There's only different versions because people can't stick to the rules laid out in the OP.
+3 for the win away at Arsenal, but -2 for drawing at home to Sunderland, and -1 for drawing away to Stoke
Edit: is the actual reason, but the non mathematical version is: They are lucky cnuts
They lost to Stoke no?
Yep, which makes it -1. If they drew, as EvilChuck said, it would be 0 for that game.
Well maybe but he specifically says drawing away to Stoke.
...yes? But that's why I explained it to you, wasn't it?
He was correct about the -1, he just said the wrong result.I made a mistake when I posted and should have typed lost instead of drew, complete brain fart on my part. Liverpool lost to stoke, which cost them -1 (par being the draw). I've edited the post you quoted (even though its too late now
).I have all of the top 6 scoring par this week:
Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and City all won at home for par.
United drew away to a midtable team for par.
Tottenham beat a bottom 5 team away from home for par.
So no change in the table
they say United got the best 'weighted' start. that we gain 10 points more than expected
ANALYSIS: Man Utd have made best ‘weighted’ start to season, Wigan worst « Sporting Intelligence
ANALYSIS: Man Utd have made best ‘weighted’ start to season, Wigan worst « Sporting Intelligence
Man United win Home - 0
Arsenal lose Away (t6) - 0
Chelsea win Away (mt) - +2
Liverpool win Away (mt) - +2
Man City win Away (b5) - 0
Tottenham win Home - 0
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Man City +5
Chelsea +4
Man Utd +4
Liverpool +2
Tottenham -1
Arsenal -6
Arsenal lose Away (t6) - 0
Chelsea win Away (mt) - +2
Liverpool win Away (mt) - +2
Man City win Away (b5) - 0
Tottenham win Home - 0
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Man City +5
Chelsea +4
Man Utd +4
Liverpool +2
Tottenham -1
Arsenal -6
The system seems pretty flawed, getting +2 points for beating Wolves away, but getting nothing for beating Chelsea or City at home seems bizarre.
City would no doubt swap the teams they've faced vs the teams we have.
/edit: that sportingintelligence article seems more like it.
City would no doubt swap the teams they've faced vs the teams we have.
/edit: that sportingintelligence article seems more like it.
The sporting intelligence article doesn't take account of whether games are at home or away. That's a pretty major omission! Just compare our home and away form for the last couple of years.
After this weekends fixtures:
Chelsea home win 0
Liverpool home draw -2
United draw at top 6 + 1
City home win 0
Spurs draw at mid table 0
Arse home win 0
City +5
United +5
Chelsea +4
Liverpool 0
Spurs -1
Arsenal -6
(assuming post 99 by Havak is right!)
Chelsea home win 0
Liverpool home draw -2
United draw at top 6 + 1
City home win 0
Spurs draw at mid table 0
Arse home win 0
City +5
United +5
Chelsea +4
Liverpool 0
Spurs -1
Arsenal -6
(assuming post 99 by Havak is right!)
Man City 8
Man Utd 4
Liverpool 0
Spurs -1
Chelsea -2
Arsenal -3
City 8 better than par on the Storey Table and Liverpool in 3rd!!!
Man Utd 4
Liverpool 0
Spurs -1
Chelsea -2
Arsenal -3
City 8 better than par on the Storey Table and Liverpool in 3rd!!!
So here's how it looks then heading into the international break:
City (11) +8
United (11) +4
Spurs (10) + 1
Chelsea (11) -2
Liverpool (11) -2
Arsenal (11) -3
United and City were looking even going into the derby but the reverse in that game saw them open up a 6 point gap. We managed to claw back 2 points in the next fixture though so the gap is at 4.
Spurs up into 3rd and looking like the steady eddies.
Chelsea's 2 game blip cost them dearly as they were expected to pick up maximum points in both.
Liverpool have bettered par 3 times but are proving inconsistent having recorded 5 below par results.
Arsenal on the up after their nightmare start but despite their good form have only bettered par once.
I have, perhaps harshly, left out Newcastle. If they get a result against City I'll bring them in.
Upcoming fixtures:
City: Newcastle (H), Liverpool (A), Norwich (H), Chelsea (A), Arsenal (H).......Par 9 points
United: Swansea (A), Newcastle (H), Villa (A), Wolves (H), QPR (A)..........Par 13 points
Spurs: Villa (H), West Brom (A), Bolton (H), Stoke (A), Sunderland (H).......Par 11 points
Chelsea: Liverpool (H), Wolves (H), Newcastle (A), Man City (H), Wigan (A).......Par 13 points
Liverpool: Chelsea (A), City (H), Fulham (A), QPR (H), Villa (A).................Par 8 points
Arsenal: Norwich (A), Fulham (H), Wigan (A), Everton (H), City (A)...........Par 12 points
City (11) +8
United (11) +4
Spurs (10) + 1
Chelsea (11) -2
Liverpool (11) -2
Arsenal (11) -3
United and City were looking even going into the derby but the reverse in that game saw them open up a 6 point gap. We managed to claw back 2 points in the next fixture though so the gap is at 4.
Spurs up into 3rd and looking like the steady eddies.
Chelsea's 2 game blip cost them dearly as they were expected to pick up maximum points in both.
Liverpool have bettered par 3 times but are proving inconsistent having recorded 5 below par results.
Arsenal on the up after their nightmare start but despite their good form have only bettered par once.
I have, perhaps harshly, left out Newcastle. If they get a result against City I'll bring them in.
Upcoming fixtures:
City: Newcastle (H), Liverpool (A), Norwich (H), Chelsea (A), Arsenal (H).......Par 9 points
United: Swansea (A), Newcastle (H), Villa (A), Wolves (H), QPR (A)..........Par 13 points
Spurs: Villa (H), West Brom (A), Bolton (H), Stoke (A), Sunderland (H).......Par 11 points
Chelsea: Liverpool (H), Wolves (H), Newcastle (A), Man City (H), Wigan (A).......Par 13 points
Liverpool: Chelsea (A), City (H), Fulham (A), QPR (H), Villa (A).................Par 8 points
Arsenal: Norwich (A), Fulham (H), Wigan (A), Everton (H), City (A)...........Par 12 points
Good work that. Keep it up.
Nice graph.
I've jumped the gun but Spurs look home and hosed against Villa.
Pretty much as-you-were apart from the Liverpool/Chelsea six pointer.
City +8
United +4
Spurs + 1
Liverpool + 1
Arsenal -3
Chelsea -5
No change in the real table but City get a tricky fixture out of the road and increase their gap. Tottenham march on while Arsenal and Chelsea still off the pace.
City +9
Spurs +3
United +2
Liverpool -1
Arsenal -5
Chelsea -5
Spurs doing well.
City - I blame us.
City - I blame us.
City +9
United +4
Spurs +3
Liverpool -1 (play Monday)
Chelsea -3
Arsenal -5
We clawed back some points this week bringing the gap down to 5, so this means that despite our shaky form we have actually narrowed the gap since the derby defeat, thanks to away wins at Everton and Villa.
However, City have something of a free-shot next week away at Chelsea where any points they take home are a bonus whereas we have to beat Wolves to remain as we are.
Basically, if we're not within 2 points of City in the real table after next week then the Storey system will indicate we have lost further ground.
Chelsea change their fortunes with a positive result away at Newcastle, while Arsenal's good run of form compared to their score vs par suggests they've had it a bit easy as of late.
can someone explain the concept to me? What is this about?
It's helpful at the beginning of the season.
It's shit later in the season, when - looking at the league table - you can actually say who's better.
It's shit later in the season, when - looking at the league table - you can actually say who's better.
In a nutshell, "how are the teams doing compared to a projection of what results they "should" get to end up with 80 points?". With City being +9 they've got 9 points more than they were expected to get from the fixtures that they've played, which means that they are on course for 89 points.
And how do you figure out what results they 'should' get? What puts chelsea and arsenal below par?
from the OP
And the handicap is:
Top 6: Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man Utd, ManC, Spurs.
Bottom 5: Blackburn, Norwich, QPR, Swansea, Wigan.
Midtable: the other 9.
Win all homes (57)
Lose away against top 6 (0)
Point away against midtable (9)
Win away against bottom 5 (15)
81 points so probably won with a +4.
And the handicap is:
Top 6: Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man Utd, ManC, Spurs.
Bottom 5: Blackburn, Norwich, QPR, Swansea, Wigan.
Midtable: the other 9.
Win all homes (57)
Lose away against top 6 (0)
Point away against midtable (9)
Win away against bottom 5 (15)
81 points so probably won with a +4.
City +9
United +4
Spurs +2
Liverpool Par
Arsenal -5
Chelsea -5
As you were at the top. The scoring actually suggests that Liverpool are well placed for 4th at the moment.
Next 5 fixtures (Par result):
City: Stoke H (W), WBA A (D), Sunderland A (D), Liverpool H (W), Wigan A (W) 11 points
United: Fulham A (D), Wigan H (W), Blackburn H (W), Newcastle A (D), Bolton H (W) 11 points
Spurs: Chelsea H (W), Norwich A (W), Swansea A (W), West Brom H (W), Everton H (W)*, Wolves H (W) 18 points
Liverpool: Wigan A (W), Blackburn H (W), Newcastle H (W), City A (L), Stoke H (W) 12 points
Arsenal: Villa A (D), Wolves H (W), QPR H (W), Fulham A (D), Swansea A (W) 11 points
Chelsea: Spurs A (L), Fulham H (W), Villa H (W), Wolves A (D), Sunderland H (W) 10 points
* Spurs' game in hand
Forecasted table
------------------GP----Pts
City--------------21----52
Spurs-------------21----52
United------------21----50
Chelsea-----------21----42
Liverpool----------21----41
Arsenal------------21---40
Tottenham to be joint-top in five games time?
Surprised how well Liverpool show up in that table, only 4 points behind us, but doubt it means they are much of a threat in the long term.
I now have this as:
Liverpool doing better than I expected to be honest, but have fallen since last update. We've made ground on City.
Liverpool doing better than I expected to be honest, but have fallen since last update. We've made ground on City.
Liverpool have picked up a load of 'storeytime' points from doing well against the "top four". Same as they do every year.
Looking like a two horse race with Spurs comfortably in third.