The funny thing about this little algorithm is that it only expects you to win 5 away league games in the entire season... which is exactly what United did, and got roundly lambasted for it.
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That's not an accident (cf last year's model).
Another point about this:
I think it can only be used for teams who are in the postulated top 6. If you think about it, anyone outside Peter's original has an extra top 6 opponent to get over-par results from, so their score wouldn't be as immediately comparable.
To put it another way, as Peter says, a top 6 sides par would give them 81 real world points. A midtable clubs par would get them only 80 (one less midtable side to expect an away point against). A bottom 5's par would get them 78.
This is what happens when I try to make something sound less complicated.
I think it can only be used for teams who are in the postulated top 6. If you think about it, anyone outside Peter's original has an extra top 6 opponent to get over-par results from, so their score wouldn't be as immediately comparable.
To put it another way, as Peter says, a top 6 sides par would give them 81 real world points. A midtable clubs par would get them only 80 (one less midtable side to expect an away point against). A bottom 5's par would get them 78.
This is what happens when I try to make something sound less complicated.
United +2
Chelsea 0
City 0
Spurs 0
Liverpool + 1
Arsenal -3
I think is right. Title is going to be between ourselves and City I feel. Arsenal and Chelsea lack squad depth IMO.
Chelsea 0
City 0
Spurs 0
Liverpool + 1
Arsenal -3
I think is right. Title is going to be between ourselves and City I feel. Arsenal and Chelsea lack squad depth IMO.
I have Arsenal at -3 (losing a home game) and Liverpool + 1 (winning away against a top 6 side)
Right you are. Edited.
Not right. Liverpool got + 1 today, but -2 last week, so they're on -1.
Liverpool got +3 today, not + 1. You're expected to lose away to a top 6 side.
Right, I will try and keep this updated.
Man United
West Brom (A) W 2-1 (+2)
Arsenal
Newcastle (A) D 0-0 (0)
Liverpool (H) L 2-0 (-3)
Chelsea
Stoke (A) D 0-0 (0)
West Brom (H) W 2-1 (0)
Liverpool
Sunderland (H) D 1-1 (-2)
Arsenal (A) W 2-0 (+3)
City
Swansea (H) W 4-0 (0)
Bolton (A) W 3-2 (+ 1)
Storey Table
Top 6: Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man Utd, ManC, Spurs.
Bottom 5: Blackburn, Norwich, QPR, Swansea, Wigan.
Midtable: the other 9.
Win all homes (57)
Lose away against top 6 (0)
Point away against midtable (9)
Win away against bottom 5 (15)
Man United
West Brom (A) W 2-1 (+2)
Arsenal
Newcastle (A) D 0-0 (0)
Liverpool (H) L 2-0 (-3)
Chelsea
Stoke (A) D 0-0 (0)
West Brom (H) W 2-1 (0)
Liverpool
Sunderland (H) D 1-1 (-2)
Arsenal (A) W 2-0 (+3)
City
Swansea (H) W 4-0 (0)
Bolton (A) W 3-2 (+ 1)
Storey Table
1. Man Utd (+2)
2. Liverpool (+ 1)
3. City (+ 1)
4. Chelsea (0)
5. Arsenal (-3)
2. Liverpool (+ 1)
3. City (+ 1)
4. Chelsea (0)
5. Arsenal (-3)
Top 6: Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man Utd, ManC, Spurs.
Bottom 5: Blackburn, Norwich, QPR, Swansea, Wigan.
Midtable: the other 9.
Win all homes (57)
Lose away against top 6 (0)
Point away against midtable (9)
Win away against bottom 5 (15)
Might as well throw Spurs on there while you're at it. Worst they can be after Monday is 0.
Ridiculous not including Spurs if we're including Liverpool and Arsenal.
Spurs haven't played yet you gimps, what am I going to include?
BazzaBear was absolutely owning this thread until his last comment
I wish my brain could do really feckin simple maths
I wish my brain could do really feckin simple maths
Updated. City get +2 for their win v Bolton (Expected to draw).
After this weekends results I have the standings as being:
Code:
Manchester City + 5 (plus 3 for an away win at a top 6 side)
Manchester United + 2 (par for winning a home game)
Liverpool + 1 (par for winning a home game)
Chelsea 0 (par for winning a home game)
Arsenal -3 (par for losing away to a top 6 side)
Tottenham -3 (minus 3 for losing at home)
I don't understand it. Why would peterstorey let his own thread die like this?
Maybe Arsenal are doing badly in this league as well.
I have us on +4 so far, City on +5, Chelsea on +2 and Arsenal on -6. Might have something to do with it.
Arsenal are on +2, United are on 0.
Storey is in his basement, devising a new league where a loss to Blackburn is a win.
Manchester City +5
Manchester United +4
Chelsea +2
Liverpool 0
Newcastle -1
Stoke -1
Tottenham -3
Everton -3
Arsenal -4
Aston Vila -4
Norwich -4
Swansea -4
Wigan -4
Wolverhampton -4
Sunderland -6
QPR -6
Blackburn -7
Bolton -9
West Bromwich -9
Fulham -10
Lost at home = -3
Lost at Blackburn (mid 9) = -1
Lost at United (top 6)= 0
0-0 at Newcastle (mid 9) = 0
-4.
Manchester United +4
Chelsea +2
Liverpool 0
Newcastle -1
Stoke -1
Tottenham -3
Everton -3
Arsenal -4
Aston Vila -4
Norwich -4
Swansea -4
Wigan -4
Wolverhampton -4
Sunderland -6
QPR -6
Blackburn -7
Bolton -9
West Bromwich -9
Fulham -10
Won at home = 0
Lost at home = -3
Lost at Blackburn (mid 9) = -1
Lost at United (top 6)= 0
0-0 at Newcastle (mid 9) = 0
-4.
Arsenal have one loss at home (Liverpool) and one loss away to a bottom 5 team (Blackburn) so -6 no?
I'm not arguing that he's an idiot, but it's his system.
It's a mistake or he's an idiot.
If Arsenal are out of top 6 this season, they'll be in top 6 in his system for the next campaign, right? Great system, isn't it?
If Arsenal are out of top 6 this season, they'll be in top 6 in his system for the next campaign, right? Great system, isn't it?
It's fine. Very few on this forum would predict Blackburn to finish above the bottom 5.
So, the bottom 5 is his personal opinion, not according to the final table of last season?
Ekhm, ok.
Ekhm, ok.
Steve Kean's probably worth a 5 place penalty.
Spurs won away at ("midtable 9") Wolves. Doesn't that give them a +2 (compared to the par 1 point) to balance against the -3 home loss to City, thus yielding a -1 overall score?
this is bonkers
Tottenham are -3 in my table, because I had Wolves in bottom five, but Pete chose 17th team last season to midtable group.
If Wolves are midtable, Tottenham are -1 and you're right.
Pearls before swine. It's what happens when you give a bunch of muppets a sophisticated and nuanced tool.
Why did you change the handicap this season?
some of you guys must really have too much time on your hands, if thats what rocks your boat, fair play. Then again i,m from the north what would i know...
I'm with Jaapster on this, what's wrong with the real league table?
Because top 6 and bottom 5 are more predictable than the old middle 8/bottom 8 IMO - thus reducing the inaccuracy in the handicap..
There are several posters giving their own version of the table updates, and not all of them using the handicap system proposed in the OP.
The thread can only really work if there is just one updater - with updates based on the OP handicap system.
esmufc11 took on this role originally, so what gives with all the others?
The thread can only really work if there is just one updater - with updates based on the OP handicap system.
esmufc11 took on this role originally, so what gives with all the others?