Must have been something in the air that night.
Steven Gerrard
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Must have been something in the air that night.
Wonder if he'll ever win a Premier League. That would really be against all odds.
Over who?
Di Maria? Gerrard doesn't have an inch of Angel's creativity.
Herrera? Assisted once and scored twice in 4 games. Gerrard also would not be able to do Ander's box to box role.
Blind? Gerrard is shite defensively.
He would not walk into our midfield. I would have him on the bench though.
To be honest, with Oscar being wank at CAM for you lot, Gerrard would probably find it easier to get into your mf playing in Fabregas' role, with Fabregas potentially going to CAM.
Herrera for me, despite his decent start.
Why? Herrera suits our system a lot more. He's incredibly important to our team shape already, and far more energetic. Playing Gerrard ahead of Herrera right now would weaken our team and this isn't one-eyed bias either.
Just feel he would prove more useful over the course of a whole season, even as far as not getting injured as much.
I agree. Despite decent start, he would got in our team in place of injured Herrera. And he would be on the bench as soon as Herrera would be back from injury.
Fair enough. I think Herrera will change your mind on that one over the course of the season, though.
Herrera is scoring goals from midfield, in open play. He actually has mobility and the ability to think on a football pitch too. Gerrard is a long ball merchant, penalty taking, free kick taking passenger now.
Does Gerrard have some mystical immunity to the United Injury Syndrome? Nah, his hamstrings would go as he stood up from signing the contract.
Herrera was never injured before we signed him.
You can't get injured if you don't run...
No way.
Not really. Herrera is better than Gerrard on everything bat shooting.
Herrera decent start isn't a surprise for anyone who watched Athletic on the last few years and saw beyong the 'he's shit cause he didn't play for Spain'.
He was injured before the world cup mate.
You can't use a player's previous injury record to provide any prediction to his injuries once he joins United. It has been proven repeatedly that injuries at United arise repeatedly regardless if the player has been previously injury-prone or the picture of perfect health who never misses a game.
But those with injury issues prior to joining do suffer even more than those without - Gerrard's missed a fair bit over the last three or four years (last season being something of an exception) then he might not be get to half-time in his theoretical first game for us.
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Just getting ready for life at Old Trafford. By all accounts he barely missed a match in his time at Bilbao.
Rob has quite obviously never watched Herrera before. He's comfortably better than a 34 year old Gerrard, as I hope he would be at £30 million.
I think people are being overly harsh on Gerrard in order to prove their stance. He's not as good as he was at his peak, far from it, and he appears to be getting slightly worse every year but he's still a good player. Lampard looked good last season for Chelsea and can still play. Gerrard, for me, isn't any different. They wouldn't be the in the first 11 for Chelsea or City with everyone fit and no form to go by but they would still be able to play for both teams. Gerrard would be good in every other team in the league. Herrera and Blind aren't better. That's silly. They are different, sure but he's living on a different floor than them. Both his ceiling and floor are higher on average.
Would I want him here? No. In a hypothetical situation he'd be good but not in reality. He won't be better than where he is now.
Would I want him here? No. In a hypothetical situation he'd be good but not in reality. He won't be better than where he is now.
Athletic really have crumbled this year without Herrera. Vastly underrated player, his departure effected the team more than Martinez or Llorente.
What do you mean by "ceiling and floor?" You're not judging Gerrard on the player he is right now. There isn't even a ceiling. He's been stinking up that defensive midfield role for the best part of six months. He's playing too much football, and I do think that will be part of the issue, but Herrera is the better player right now. Not as inherently talented but few midfielders, if any, in this league are. But he's in much better form, more dynamic and will make a team a hell of a lot more fluid. What is Gerrard producing that indicates he's the better player?
Gerrard is like the midfield Nani, had the skill and physicality but not the brains. Watch Xabi Alonso at Bayern for a true deep lying playmaker.
Maybe this question should be asked at the end of this season.
Gerrard's a better diver !
If you are talking about central midfield, and not a 10, I'd pick a peak Herrera over a peak Gerrard any day of the week, this is not said with bias. I just think Gerrard is a clueless midfielder.
I mean the games when he's at his best and worst.
He's not good defensively on his own. Compared to Herrera he's not much worse. I don't think Herrera is all that defensively. Our midfielders have been really bad at defending this season.
Gerrard is producing goals whilst also being a leader. Key thing is his leadership. I'm not taking anything from Herrera by not shitting over Gerrard. I just think most managers and players would prefer Gerrard over Herrera. He's got more too offer.
Lampard walked into City's midfield and he doesn't seem to get a game ahead of Gerrard for England.
Exactly my thoughts. Madness!
Decent? Talk about underplaying it.
As for Gerrard, he doesn't have the legs, nor the defensive capabilities to play the Herrera role in our current set up. Sadly for us, no other player in the squad can play that role, which leaves us screwed for the weekend.
This is a pointless discussion. Stevie G would never leave Slipperpool at this stage of his career.
He could always slip a disk!!
You slipped, didn't you Stevie.
Was a complete passenger last night, like most of the side tbf but the game really did pass him by.
Once he could roar with the best of them, now he just grunts, lame.
Once he could roar with the best of them, now he just grunts, lame.
More like whimpers, tbf. He really doesn't have the legs for those games anymore, which is partly down to him not being able to redefine his game, like Scholes could. Kroos doesn't run around more than Gerrard, nor is he faster, but he has always been like that. Gerrard hasn't been able to adapt and thus his game suffers.
Hes a big problem for them right now, he's a complete liability in front of their defence and one can't help but wonder if they would be better off without him. Sure he's a great passer of the ball but he's no pirlo so it's a struggle to justify the other shortfalls in his game. perhaps having someone with a bit more mobility in there or more defensive nous would be the better option.
I liked the moment when my commentator said that Liverpool needs to calm down and try to keep the ball for a bit (I think they were 1 or 2 goals down then). Literally the next thing, Liverpool gets the ball and captain fantastic smashes one of his hollywood passes to Neuer 
I liked the moment when my commentator said that Liverpool needs to calm down and try to keep the ball for a bit (I think they were 1 or 2 goals down then). Literally the next thing, Liverpool gets the ball and captain fantastic smashes one of his hollywood passes to Neuer
Must have hit that pass quite hard then.
True. The characteristics that made Gerrard so good were pretty much all physical. Now that part of his game has naturally declined with age, he's unable to dominate at a high level. This is why Scholes is the better player. He has a better football brain, better technique, ability to control a game, always be a team player etc etc.
I've a mate who supports Liverpool who's been saying for the last season and a half that Gerrard needs to be dropped for Liverpool to progress. Also, that Rodgers is a bit guff as a manager. and the individual brilliance of Suarez carried them last year.
Agree with pretty much all that. Gerrard wouldn't get near our midfield. The only player in the 3 that play deeper for them you could make a case for would be Henderson. They are going to end up with the same problems we had, relying on Scholes and Giggs to still do it for us and never replacing them, except Gerrard isn't ageing as well as they did.
Agree with pretty much all that. Gerrard wouldn't get near our midfield. The only player in the 3 that play deeper for them you could make a case for would be Henderson. They are going to end up with the same problems we had, relying on Scholes and Giggs to still do it for us and never replacing them, except Gerrard isn't ageing as well as they did.