Steven Gerrard

Getsme said:
According to Souness, Gerrard would get into the starting 11 of any premiership team. :lol:

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The Gerrard media campaign is ridiculous - not just hacks but even decent pundits like Souness are in on it. I will admit he was a superb player in his day when used properly like in 2008-2009, but it is fairly obvious that at 34 years of age after a soul-destroying end to the league campaign followed by a disastrous World Cup, he is on his way out. He should be used like Chelsea used Lampard in his final year or United used Giggs towards the end - either a high quality sub or someone to use against the right opposition in the right set up. Instead he is apparently a nailed on first teamer for every club in the country. If he hadn't retired, no doubt Hodgson would still be picking him.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Every Premier League manager would have him, although he wouldn't start for three or four of 'em.
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I'm not sure they would, there are some good teams this year. Gerrard is nowhere near the player he was, hand on heart I wouldn't want him anywhere near our squad.
 
Getsme said:
I'm not sure they would, there are some good teams this year. Gerrard is nowhere near the player he was, hand on heart I wouldn't want him anywhere near our squad.
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I think you'd be mad to turn him down to be honest, even if he is passing his sell by date. Look at how we utilised Scholes and Giggs in their latter years. His legs aren't what they were but he's still a good player. He'd definitely get game time in our midfield I reckon.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
I think you'd be mad to turn him down to be honest, even if he is passing his sell by date. Look at how we utilised Scholes and Giggs in their latter years. His legs aren't what they were but he's still a good player. He'd definitely get game time in our midfield I reckon.
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He most likely would, be he would be far from a starter IMO. I'd pick Herrera or Blind before him every time. I also think we have a few coming through from the youth team who would be more suited to our style of play.
 
Getsme said:
According to Souness, Gerrard would get into the starting 11 of any premiership team. :lol:

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Souness doesn't analyze anything, he just uses cliché. Last night on Be In Sports, he was talking about the Man City-Roma match and he refused to criticize Kompany for Totti's goal because for him Kompany is a world class CB. He laid all the blame on Navas :wenger:
It's like some people refuse to open their eyes and see what's in front of them.
 
come one guys, who would you rather have based on form from the last 1 year, Carrick or Gerrard. As a die hard United supporter, I hate him like the next guy, but during non biased footballing discussion, I don't let that hate get in the way of my opinion. Therefore I would say, I would love to him, Gerrard the player play for us and he would easily start for us given our current plight in midfield.
 
rooneyaldo said:
come one guys, who would you rather have based on form from the last 1 year, Carrick or Gerrard. As a die hard United supporter, I hate him like the next guy, but during non biased footballing discussion, I don't let that hate get in the way of my opinion. Therefore I would say, I would love to him, Gerrard the player play for us and he would easily start for us given our current plight in midfield.
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I'd rather have the Carrick from the 12-13 season than Gerrard.
Gerrard is in terrible form, he shouldn't be starting for Liverpool team let alone United, City, Arsenal or Chelsea.
 
Gerrard's undoubtably a superior player to Blind, but I wouldn't swap the two and seeing as the two perform similar roles for their respective clubs, Blind has his advantages to Gerrard.

He certainly wouldn't start for either City or Chelsea though IMO, but everyone else you could make a case for tbf.
 
Anyone think he's beginning to look a bit camp this season? I thought his celebration of the goal against everton where he slid and gazed into the camera looked really gay.
 
rooneyaldo said:
come one guys, who would you rather have based on form from the last 1 year, Carrick or Gerrard. As a die hard United supporter, I hate him like the next guy, but during non biased footballing discussion, I don't let that hate get in the way of my opinion. Therefore I would say, I would love to him, Gerrard the player play for us and he would easily start for us given our current plight in midfield.
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Gerrard is a better footballer and always has been, but I'd rather play Carrick ahead of him at the base of our midfield, certainly. Carrick had a bad campaign last season, but he's more suited to that position than Gerrard is. That's been evident in England matches when Gerrard was shoehorned into the sitting role and Carrick, who had been playing it better, was sidelined. Gerrard would get games for us, though, certainly.
 
Glanville95 said:
He certainly wouldn't start for either City or Chelsea though IMO, but everyone else you could make a case for tbf.
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The problem is, you have to make allsorts of allowances to put him in the team operating on a level that is vastly reduced from the time when nobody could argue he was one of the best players in the world.

He's a liability now. He'll always have one decent game when he's massively up for it against the likes of us or Everton but he's done. He wouldn't get in many sides if managers actually looked at how they could fit him in rather than his name, reputation, etc.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Anyone think he's beginning to look a bit camp this season? I thought his celebration of the goal against everton where he slid and gazed into the camera looked really gay.
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Thought it looked incredibly smug myself. Similar to Brendan's celebration
 
Getsme said:
I'm not sure they would, there are some good teams this year. Gerrard is nowhere near the player he was, hand on heart I wouldn't want him anywhere near our squad.
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Yeah agree, can't see man city, or Chelsea taking him, arsenal don't need him even with their injuries, spurs have stockpiled defensive midfield. Maybe Everton would instead or Barry? Is it easier to say who would take him right now ?
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Anyone think he's beginning to look a bit camp this season? I thought his celebration of the goal against everton where he slid and gazed into the camera looked really gay.
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I've been telling a Liverpool fan student I have that he's gay for years. She believes me now.
 
Stevie G. was an all worlder at his peak and a great footballer even 2-3 years ago, but he's in rapid decline now. Props to the man for hanging tough for Liverpool, but it's a waste of their time now to keep playing Gerrard.
 
Gannicus said:
Stevie G. was an all worlder at his peak and a great footballer even 2-3 years ago, but he's in rapid decline now. Props to the man for hanging tough for Liverpool, but it's a waste of their time now to keep playing Gerrard.
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He was all action no doubt, could pass shoot tackle, but his issues alway been he has no head, he's not got an ounce of tactic brain which is why he could never play with lampard, why Rafa stuck him where he would do no harm, and why he can't do a deep role like Scholes and pirlo. The guy is as thick as shite, in football terms, off the pitch not a clue
 
marukomu said:
I've been telling a Liverpool fan student I have that he's gay for years. She believes me now.
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Folks, surely Gerrard gives us enough ammo to have a swipe at, I haven't noticed a campness and frankly don't care. Whether he is camp, more camp, gay, straight, a virgin, does it matter?... Let's laugh at his decline, his slippiness and his being finished (other than obligatory pens and free kicks)....
 
Randall Flagg said:
LVG would put him in the current side as would nearly all managers. Experience being a huge factor
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But surely not in a lone holding role. Probably stunt him wide or alongside a more apt holding midfielder, like Blind.

Always have wondered if SAF and crew would have molded Gerrard differently had he come up through the United youth ranks.
 
MoskvaRed said:
The Gerrard media campaign is ridiculous - not just hacks but even decent pundits like Souness are in on it. I will admit he was a superb player in his day when used properly like in 2008-2009, but it is fairly obvious that at 34 years of age after a soul-destroying end to the league campaign followed by a disastrous World Cup, he is on his way out. He should be used like Chelsea used Lampard in his final year or United used Giggs towards the end - either a high quality sub or someone to use against the right opposition in the right set up. Instead he is apparently a nailed on first teamer for every club in the country. If he hadn't retired, no doubt Hodgson would still be picking him.
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Liverpool fans get genuinely offended if you try and say this to them. "But he's only 34, la. Giggs played until he was 40 #YAWN!"

It is so true though. I think Rodgers knows this league campaign is going to be hard and dropping Gerrard would give the heavy hearted Liverpool supporters ammunition to challenge him. His Ballon d'Ors aren't large enough to drop him. There's also the slight issue that there aren't many replacements who would improve their midfield so I think Rodgers is just swallowing it for now but the issue is I cannot see Gerrard being dropped while he's still captain. I reckon Rodgers is hoping for an injury to him so he can drop him excusably.

I still think he has a role but 90 minutes for 50+ games this season won't allow him to get anywhere near the best he can be in that role.
 
A few on RAWK seem to think he may be near the end and shouldn't be an automatic pick.
 
Getsme said:
I'm not sure they would, there are some good teams this year. Gerrard is nowhere near the player he was, hand on heart I wouldn't want him anywhere near our squad.
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Gerrard would walk into the United midfield. However the logistics of signing him would make it a bit of a stupid buy, but he certainly wouldnt walk into Citys Chelsea or Liverpools.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Gerrard would walk into the United midfield. However the logistics of signing him would make it a bit of a stupid buy, but he certainly wouldnt walk into Citys Chelsea or Liverpools.
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Disagree, last season he would have, but now? Na.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Gerrard would walk into the United midfield. However the logistics of signing him would make it a bit of a stupid buy, but he certainly wouldnt walk into Citys Chelsea or Liverpools.
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Pretty sure he would have slipped before walking into our midfield.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Gerrard would walk into the United midfield. However the logistics of signing him would make it a bit of a stupid buy, but he certainly wouldnt walk into Citys Chelsea or Liverpools.
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EDIT: Damn. Beaten to it.

I would rather have Blind than the current Gerrard anyday.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Gerrard would walk into the United midfield. However the logistics of signing him would make it a bit of a stupid buy, but he certainly wouldnt walk into Citys Chelsea or Liverpools.
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Blind is better defensively.
Herrera is way better box to box.
Angel Di Maria....

When you have a mix of a box to box, a creative dribbler and +1, you'd like that +1 to be a more defensive player.
Gerrard does not have that and would not walk into our midfield, if anything he would be a brilliant player to bring on at the moment.

Neither would he get into Chelsea, City or Arsenals starting midfield.
If anything you could take an argument about Herrera/Henderson, but besides that you would end up with our midfield (first choices) being better and more balanced than Liverpools. (excluding oms as you also could have a good debate on Mata/Rooney vs Sterling)

That said, they have had a very good system running for a while and have played som good football the last year, i don't think that if they fluke it this year, it's no way back for them. This year i suppose they will use for trying to mold in the new guys before challenging for 4th-1st spot again the next 2-3 years.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Gerrard would walk into the United midfield. However the logistics of signing him would make it a bit of a stupid buy, but he certainly wouldnt walk into Citys Chelsea or Liverpools.
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Ahead of whom? Herrera and Di Maria are both younger, fitter and, namely, better, while Gerrard proves with every passing game that he's a total liability in the holding role. He'd get game time but he doesn't have the energy to play in our midfield regularly.
 
No chance Gerrard gets in ahead of Herrera who would be the nearest 'like for like' change as we've seen what he's like in a DM position (rubbish).
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Gerrard would walk into the United midfield. However the logistics of signing him would make it a bit of a stupid buy, but he certainly wouldnt walk into Citys Chelsea or Liverpools.
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Last season yes, not this season I'm afraid. Herrera & Di Maria are better, and Gerrard can't play DM I'd rather have Blind, but I can see him getting games ahead of Blind maybe because of his name.
 
What makes it even better was his laughable lack of self awareness when he was banging on about he isnt past it after the derby.
 
Ducklegs said:
What makes it even better was his laughable lack of self awareness when he was banging on about he isnt past it after the derby.
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He always seemed to be about himself first, his club second. He would rather hurt them by playing than help them by not. I never saw his solidarity to Liverpool extend beyond what it benefits him to display, just as he's a narcissist before the camera unless things are going poorly and he shoos the cameras away.
 
Saxo said:
He always seemed to be about himself first, his club second. He would rather hurt them by playing than help them by not. I never saw his solidarity to Liverpool extend beyond what it benefits him to display, just as he's a narcissist before the camera unless things are going poorly and he shoos the cameras away.
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Opposite of Gary Neville, who realised he had lost it & retired mid-season. Must take some balls to do that, he could have taken his pay cheque until the end of the season and it wouldn't have changed his legend status, but no he came to a realisation that the team were better without him involved.
 
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