Steven Gerrard

Dr Baltar said:
I absolutely loathe people calling it the "slip".
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ryansgirl said:
I recently read a Simon Kuper book about footballers (can't remember the name, just borrowed it from somebody) and there's a decent article there devoted to why England can't do much at World Cups. The article points out the lack of technical prowess and tellingly, among other things, observes that Steve Gerrard's so called box to box midfield abilities are actually liabilities at international tournaments.

I defended Gerrard for his recent failures in the World Cup because you can't knock the man for lack of effort - he cares passionately about England and retiring must have been a huge personal blow for him. However, that article in Kuper's book pinpointed how much his style has held back England. It said that Gerrard does too much in England games - this was written before his retirement of course. That was so accurate. England gave him too expansive a role and he just didn't have the finesse and other technical abilities as well as strategic nouse to be playing in that way and doing so much in international games.

As for the mistakes at key points in games - it does honestly look like Gerrard is losing his sense of co-ordination and spatial awareness. I don't say that with any pleasure. I hope it is not symptomatic of some longer term condition such as a muscular atrophy disease. Those kinds of conditions can come on gradually and when the person is diagnosed with it, in hindsight it was evident to some extent. Hopefully Steve Gerrard's problems are nothing to do with an underlying physical condition.
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I think it's a slight leap to go from being a bit of a shit CM to having muscular atrophy disease
 
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I go to S&M clubs just to get the women to tie me up & shout "slip" at me.
 
Dr Baltar said:
I absolutely loathe people calling it the "slip".
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I don't like the 'revisionism' (for want of a better word) surrounding this "slip" nonsense either. The fact remains that Gerrard only slipped after he miscontrolled the ball and allowed Ba to get possession. He's trying to make himself feel better by suggesting that everyone slips in their lives etc., but this wasn't any old misfortune which could envelope anyone. This was Gerrard being far too casual and unaware of his surroundings, which in a deep-lying play-making role where your centre-halves are forty yards apart, is suicide.
 
nahealai said:
I don't like the 'revisionism' (for want of a better word) surrounding this "slip" nonsense either. The fact remains that Gerrard only slipped after he miscontrolled the ball and allowed Ba to get possession. He's trying to make himself feel better by suggesting that everyone slips in their lives etc., but this wasn't any old misfortune which could envelope anyone. This was Gerrard being far too casual and unaware of his surroundings, which in a deep-lying play-making role where your centre-halves are forty yards apart, is suicide.
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Exactly. I wonder if it would have been called a slip if it was any another player that messed up.
Kolo Toure would have had his house nuked if he did it.
 
Big Papi said:
@montpelier Imagine there's another universe where Gerrard doesn't slip and Ba's move for the ball looks innocuous. Gerrard rolls the ball forward and Liverpool see out the half, the match and the season. Imagine living in that universe? I'm glad I don't.
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I think he's a better player than WE might give him credit for.

But THAT is a reality v best avoided. v v v v best avoided - can you fecking imagine...... :wenger::wenger::wenger::wenger: and lots of these :(:(:(:(:(:(:(
 
Stevie G should blame Brendo for making him dream...

When we fall in our dreams it really means we have lost control with some sort of situation in your life. Falling in your dream is a way your unconscious communicates with your conscious to let you know that something needs to be fixed right away. The more you ignore the issue in your life the higher chance you will plummet to your death in your dream.

Types Of Falling Dreams:

Losing Balance – Dreams of losing balance suggests that the problem lays within you. You are not stable at this moment and need grounding in your life. You need to find ways to become more confident with people and with yourself.

Slipping - Slipping on a very high surface and plummeting to your death is a quite a scary experience. Slipping to your death suggests that you will eventually “slip up” in a particular situation that will cause emotional distress. You need to get back on track with your life to how it once was!
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http://www.dreamdictionary.org/common/falling-dreams/
 
Dr Baltar said:
Exactly. I wonder if it would have been called a slip if it was any another player that messed up.
Kolo Toure would have had his house nuked if he did it.
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You're right about the description of slip v miscontrol but it would not have been so funny to the outside world. The United equivalent would be Bryan Robson giving away a ridiculous goal in that famous game against Sheffield Wednesday in 1993.
 
MoskvaRed said:
You're right about the description of slip v miscontrol but it would not have been so funny to the outside world. The United equivalent would be Bryan Robson giving away a ridiculous goal in that famous game against Sheffield Wednesday in 1993.
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thought that was Ince

it ended up costing us nothing anyway due to the unlimited injury time. :)
 
in the interests of fair play, this is a v v sensational goal, (don't bother diving Shaka, you're wasting your time)



does milk it a bit, tbf
 
montpelier said:
in the interests of fair play, this is a v v sensational goal, (don't bother diving Shaka, you're wasting your time)



does milk it a bit, tbf
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Great strike but it was preceded by some questionable conduct. As I recall, West Ham had the ball and Liverpool had a man injured - West Ham then naively knocked the ball out of play in their half rather than booting it down into touch at Liverpool's end. Liverpool put the ball back into the corner just outside West Ham's penalty area (technically giving the ball back) which resulted in a botched clearance and the rest is history. Still, I reckon he would swap that strike and that medal for a point against Chelsea last April...
 
nahealai said:
I don't like the 'revisionism' (for want of a better word) surrounding this "slip" nonsense either. The fact remains that Gerrard only slipped after he miscontrolled the ball and allowed Ba to get possession. He's trying to make himself feel better by suggesting that everyone slips in their lives etc., but this wasn't any old misfortune which could envelope anyone. This was Gerrard being far too casual and unaware of his surroundings, which in a deep-lying play-making role where your centre-halves are forty yards apart, is suicide.
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Exactly this. His comments about how he hadn't "made a mistake" are utter bollocks.

He miscontrolled a ball, trying to do some flash studs on the top of it nonsense, then slipped afterwards.
All he had to do was put the side of his foot behind the ball and there wouldn't have been any danger. They'd have drawn the game, beaten Palace, and won the title.
 
MoskvaRed said:
Great strike but it was preceded by some questionable conduct. As I recall, West Ham had the ball and Liverpool had a man injured - West Ham then naively knocked the ball out of play in their half rather than booting it down into touch at Liverpool's end. Liverpool put the ball back into the corner just outside West Ham's penalty area (technically giving the ball back) which resulted in a botched clearance and the rest is history. Still, I reckon he would swap that strike and that medal for a point against Chelsea last April...
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you are a sour & miserable (v v accurate) olde sausage, :)

(they did, didn't they - the giving the ball back thing)
 
montpelier said:
you are a sour & miserable (v v accurate) olde sausage, :)

(they did, didn't they - the giving the ball back thing)
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While I am on a roll deconstructing Gerrard, he also blatantly dived to win the penalty on "that famous night in Istanbul". Good player though, all the same...
 
ryansgirl said:
As for the mistakes at key points in games - it does honestly look like Gerrard is losing his sense of co-ordination and spatial awareness. I don't say that with any pleasure. I hope it is not symptomatic of some longer term condition such as a muscular atrophy disease. Those kinds of conditions can come on gradually and when the person is diagnosed with it, in hindsight it was evident to some extent. Hopefully Steve Gerrard's problems are nothing to do with an underlying physical condition.
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A couple of slips and the ball smacking off the back of his head against Uruguay means he has a disease? Titus Bramble is fecked then.
 
ShadesOfTomato said:
A couple of slips and the ball smacking off the back of his head against Uruguay means he has a disease? Titus Bramble is fecked then.
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He headed the ball, it didn't smack off his head. That slip certainly diseased your title challenge.
 
montpelier said:
in the interests of fair play, this is a v v sensational goal, (don't bother diving Shaka, you're wasting your time)



does milk it a bit, tbf
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Milk it? He practically tells his teammates to f*ck off so he can point at his name. He's the most self-absorbed c*nt playing at that level and I hope, nay I pray, he retires without a medal and that slip forever lingers over him for the rest of his days. If I ever, EVER meet him, I will be singing or humming "Slip Sliding Away". Soccer is a team sport except for Slippy Me.
 
Big Papi said:
Milk it? He practically tells his teammates to f*ck off so he can point at his name. He's the most self-absorbed c*nt playing at that level and I hope, nay I pray, he retires without a medal and that slip forever lingers over him for the rest of his days. If I ever, EVER meet him, I will be singing or humming "Slip Sliding Away". Soccer is a team sport except for Slippy Me.
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You getting a bit all worked up aren't you?

If I had scored a goal like that I would be milking it too.
 
montpelier said:
Yes, I wondered slightly about the possibility of some v 'orrible illness - v earliest stages thereof, too., as I was typing my previous post. On the opposite side of this is that while at his peak SG was a tremendous athlete, (pace/power etc) you wouldn't really say he was ever the silkiest of movers. Hopefully we are just being silly/nasty-ish to be even thinking about pondering this.
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montpelier said:
I think he's a better player than WE might give him credit for.

But THAT is a reality v best avoided. v v v v best avoided - can you fecking imagine...... :wenger::wenger::wenger::wenger: and lots of these :(:(:(:(:(:(:(
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montpelier said:
in the interests of fair play, this is a v v sensational goal, (don't bother diving Shaka, you're wasting your time)



does milk it a bit, tbf
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montpelier said:
you are a sour & miserable (v v accurate) olde sausage, :)

(they did, didn't they - the giving the ball back thing)
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That seriously has to stop. It's doing my head in.
 
Anyone see Henderson's quote on Gerrard?

"he's probably the best player this country's ever seen"

Cripes.:wenger:
 
If Liverpool want to win the league, they need to replace Stevie G. Simple. The guy is past it and they only have him in that holding CDM role because they haven't got the balls to take him off.

Surely a club of Liverpool's size, with all the money they have and the Champions League spot could sign a better CDM? I hear this Emre Can guy is good. He looks strong and suited for the role. If I had it my way, I would play him instead of the aging Gerrard who (lets face it) is only playing based on reputation alone. And his reputation outside the imaginary Scouse Universe isn't all that impressive anyway.

Single handedly cost them the league title last season. If that was Kolo Toure or Joe Allen, they would be hung by the balls.
 
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