Was just about to post that, brilliant. Oh dear Stevie G.
Steven Gerrard
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Understand your argument and kinda agree but he does not have the right temperamant to play as deep lying midfielder.... The most outstanding deep lying midfielders do play years before their general contribution is noticed, the fact that he is reknown for his abilty to drag liverpool to victories says it all...
His fortunes this season are an example how a human's time can change. One day you are king of your world and later you are pondering retirement. Gerrard got all the ups in the season, almost won the league and then he acted like a cnut with bull shit tears and we dont let this slip. Karma really bit him in the ass.
He needs to concentrate on Liverpool next season as I think it's realistically his last as a 'top' player, even though he's far from the top of his game any more. It's not only the extra demands of Europe to cope with it's the added pressure of carrying on from the top 2 finish last year. A start to a season where you hope to do well is a different kettle of fish to one where you're expected to do well. All that at the age of 34 with mounting niggles plus with a World Cup (albeit just two games) that came off the back of a close-to-the-wire season last year - I'd be very surprised if he's much use to anyone next year unless handled with kid gloves
it's an odd one with his England career.
On the one hand who else is going to play centre midfield? Henderson is pure mediocrity. Wilshere is made of glass, Cleverley has fallen out of it. Barkley and Lallana are more attacking. Lampard will definitely retire.
The qualifiers are going to be a comfortable ride, 2 to qualify and a third team through the playoffs!!
But if it's easy, is it best to play him still, or to play someone else? could argue either way
On the one hand who else is going to play centre midfield? Henderson is pure mediocrity. Wilshere is made of glass, Cleverley has fallen out of it. Barkley and Lallana are more attacking. Lampard will definitely retire.
The qualifiers are going to be a comfortable ride, 2 to qualify and a third team through the playoffs!!
But if it's easy, is it best to play him still, or to play someone else? could argue either way
Typical Stevie Me antics, trying to deflect any attention towards his dire performances by attacking a premier league manager.. the guy has lost it.
What did he say?
So that is a 'yes' then?.. Mind boggling stuff that is. Anyways - carry on.
Exactly, and I'd bet that none of the players are still in the squad anyway. I thought they were supposed to be concentrating on the next game instead of commenting on media stories back home, but I guess they'll take anything to deflect attention off them both.
“I tell you what, I’d be interested to find out who those players are. If Harry is making a comment like that, he should name them and embarrass them. No one in this group wants to go home."
“Should Harry not name them? If he’s not naming them, I can’t answer that. If it’s the case, it’s disgusting. For me, if a player doesn’t want to be, he doesn’t deserve to be here at a World Cup. The comment refers to ‘them’. ‘They’ didn’t want to play for England. Who? Name them? Is it Aaron Lennon, Kyle Walker, Andros Townsend? I don’t know who he means. Five years ago?
“I’ve spoken to Jermain Defoe and he’s devastated [not to be in Brazil]. I can understand why you’ve asked the question, with Harry Redknapp a big coach in the game, but we need names. But it’s not here [in the current squad]. I can guarantee it’s not here.”
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...players-who-avoided-england-duty-9555421.html
Sounds like an incredibly stupid and pointless story to be honest.
It looks to me he is trying to dye it silver, I swear it was all grey!
and he likes Phil Collins enough to twat a DJ for not playing his songs.
If Rooney had performed like Gerrard in this WC he'd be getting slaughtered left, right and centre. But since it's Gerrard, excuses will be made. England have failed him apparently... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/wo...-Gerrard-turned-mediocrity-national-duty.html
Apparently has been asked by Hodgson to stay on as player and captain. End it now, please
Again they credit Gerrard for turning the CL in 2005 when it was really Hamann.
He was preemptively defending himself.Do every Englishmen and women have a scouse mentality when it comes to supporting the national team? (except the sane ones ofc)
Roy Curtis wrote another article on him yesterday. Really tore into him. Worse than before.
Called him Stevie G string
Called him Stevie G string
Its rather ridiculous that there is a big debate about whether Gerrard should retire or not after the World Cup. Given that he is 34, the Euros being 2 years away, Hodgson's big talk on building for the future AND his abysmal performances this World Cup, it should be a given that Gerrard should not ever be selected for England.
Instead, we have him talking about deciding his own England future in press conferences. Why should he have a say in the matter?
Instead, we have him talking about deciding his own England future in press conferences. Why should he have a say in the matter?
I actually like Gerrard, but this article is ridiculous. Makes me cringe really. I don't know why but the media really do love Gerrard. He's got more or less MOTM for England every single game for the past few years despite how well plays. He's been a top player but his best has long gone and as a holding midfielder he's simply not very good IMO.
Martin Samuel is dreadful.
I cannot fecking wait til next season.
Van Gaal taking a positive team to play Liverpool and our away support absolutely bellowing out "he slipped on his fecking arse, Steve Gerrard, Gerrard".
It's going to be magnificent.
Van Gaal taking a positive team to play Liverpool and our away support absolutely bellowing out "he slipped on his fecking arse, Steve Gerrard, Gerrard".
It's going to be magnificent.
They both did. Didi shored it up, Gerrard supplied the impetus for clawing back 3 goals and then put in a masterful defensive display after that. Didi did a great job, but Stevie was easily MotM in that game.
He shouldn't be playing the holding role in a midfield two.
But part of the problem is also Roy. Rodgers makes Him and Henderson look good. Roy makes Gerrard look like a passenger and Henderson like the dull midfielder he looked two years ago.
Someone mentioned how ludicrous it was that some of us were worried that waiting to sign Lallana till after the world cup could end up costing us a lot more - No one sees their value increase while playing for Roy.
Capello, McLaren, Roy have all tried and none of them have made Gerrard shine on International stage. Atleast Rooney still has Euro 2004, when has Gerrard ever shined for England in international tournaments?
Classic Scouse thing to do is to blame Hodgson whilst overlooking Gerrard's faults.
Classic Scouse thing to do is to blame Hodgson whilst overlooking Gerrard's faults.
The problem isn't Roy, or the midfield two.
The problem is the level that they're faced with in international football.
I agree with this - especially the Henderson point.
You're right, he hasn't in any. If it was anyone else, the press would be bordering on urging him to stand aside. Rooney particularly. I have absolutely no interest in the National Team partly because I just can't be doing with this media circus that surrounds it, though mainly just because I find United a million times more important.
I think that the only player who has consistently performed for England at tournaments in the last 10-15 years is Ashley Cole, as much as I'm not a big fan of him as a person.
Exactly but that's one of our biggest problems, there's always been a lack of appreciation of what it is at club level that the likes of Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney do that lets them shine. There may be a problem with mentality but there's always been a problem of either managers not having the bottle to drop a name in favor of the team or simply not accepting what it is that allows them to do well.
Tbf to Henderson though I thought he was taking a lot more shots than I've noticed with Liverpool, just thought he could have been a bit better with his passing.
Cole, Ferdinand and Terry always lived upto their reputations for England. The others, not so much.
England need to learn what midfielders actually do
Every single time, your midfield is unbalanced and the players needed, are either left at home or played out of position.
That Gerrard and Henderson pairing left Liverpool's defence exposed all season, be it through defensive indiscipline or lack of control of the ball, which is why Rodgers abandoned his possession based style and just looked to outscore teams.
Hodgson took Liverpool's weakness and used it as the foundation for his England side...
Every single time, your midfield is unbalanced and the players needed, are either left at home or played out of position.
That Gerrard and Henderson pairing left Liverpool's defence exposed all season, be it through defensive indiscipline or lack of control of the ball, which is why Rodgers abandoned his possession based style and just looked to outscore teams.
Hodgson took Liverpool's weakness and used it as the foundation for his England side...
After the shit he's presented at World Cup he really should shut his gob.
I wonder if the last few months will affect him?
I remember in the game at Crystal Palace after "The Slip" he looked like he'd spent the days in between the matches drinking. He looked a mess. In the press conference yesterday he didn't come across too well.
He's often made high profile mistakes in big games but the last few months must have been nightmarish for him. I have absolutely no sympathy though.
I remember in the game at Crystal Palace after "The Slip" he looked like he'd spent the days in between the matches drinking. He looked a mess. In the press conference yesterday he didn't come across too well.
He's often made high profile mistakes in big games but the last few months must have been nightmarish for him. I have absolutely no sympathy though.
He's a state. When he says he is broken he is not lying. He looks like a tramp who has hardly slept ever since that fateful night at Selhurst Park.
This isn't a dig at Gerrard at all but...I wonder if he suffers from depression? From what I've read, he often appears downcast even when 'off-duty'.
I'm not surprised, what a few months he has had:
Worst England captain in modern history after John Terry.
Single handedly pissed his one and only chance of a prem title up the wall.
Facing up to the end of his career.
Just going through one of those would be enough to make me go all Tom Hanks in castaway, the Starfish has all three of them to live with.
Let's hope not. If he suffered before, he'd been absolutely destroyed by the last few months. Don't want to see anyone suffer through depression. Club loyalty aside, he's still someone's dad, son and husband.
I think he might actually call it a day completely. Doesn't look like he's enjoying his football at all