Well....If certain stories are true, I wouldn't blame him for being depressed
Steven Gerrard
- Thread starter Lynk
- Start date
Well....If certain stories are true, I wouldn't blame him for being depressed
Certain stories?! 
He's become a lot more prone to mistakes in the last few months. Not just little errors either, these are things that cost teams points and trophies in the long run, so I think he'll have to have a really good think about his career soon. Liverpool are unlikely to win anything other than the FA Cup or League Cup for a long time now - they blew their big chance at he title and he knows that more than anyone. I can't see them finishing higher than fourth next time round (which I think would still be a great achievement for them to stay in the biggest club competition).
I really believe that Gerrard should retire from football all together after enjoying a final season in the Champions League (or maybe two if they qualify for it again). However, I do think he'll be found wanting when playing at the top level form now on and his confidence must have took a huge blow since that Chelsea game, along with some of the other Liverpool lads. As for the duty with England, perhaps having half of the team made up of Liverpool players who fecked up their big chance had a knock on effect? They were demoralised and probably not as up for it as they would have been if they came out on top in the title race.
I also feel that maybe he has quite a large ego and wants to be the most important player for England, but he's just not up to it. This England side was built around him, a player who is probably playing his last competitive games for the national team, when it really shouldn't have been. It was charity case but I never thought we'd be good enough to get further than the top 8 anyway - but maybe will a few changes we could have scraped two draws rather than lost both and went out early.
We'll see how it goes for Stevie G, but I think he should get some minutes against Costa Rica and have some kind of testimonial game before retiring from England. I just feel that his ego is too high to ever officially retire and Roy will continue to pick him during his tenure as manager. Hopefully I'm proved wrong on that.
For the record, I do have a strong dislike for the guy, but I hope any stories of depression aren't true. Wouldn't want him to do anything silly off the field.
I really believe that Gerrard should retire from football all together after enjoying a final season in the Champions League (or maybe two if they qualify for it again). However, I do think he'll be found wanting when playing at the top level form now on and his confidence must have took a huge blow since that Chelsea game, along with some of the other Liverpool lads. As for the duty with England, perhaps having half of the team made up of Liverpool players who fecked up their big chance had a knock on effect? They were demoralised and probably not as up for it as they would have been if they came out on top in the title race.
I also feel that maybe he has quite a large ego and wants to be the most important player for England, but he's just not up to it. This England side was built around him, a player who is probably playing his last competitive games for the national team, when it really shouldn't have been. It was charity case but I never thought we'd be good enough to get further than the top 8 anyway - but maybe will a few changes we could have scraped two draws rather than lost both and went out early.
We'll see how it goes for Stevie G, but I think he should get some minutes against Costa Rica and have some kind of testimonial game before retiring from England. I just feel that his ego is too high to ever officially retire and Roy will continue to pick him during his tenure as manager. Hopefully I'm proved wrong on that.
For the record, I do have a strong dislike for the guy, but I hope any stories of depression aren't true. Wouldn't want him to do anything silly off the field.
Euro 2012 team of the tournament.
http://www.uefa.org/mediaservices/mediareleases/newsid=1838241.html
That was the team of the tournament.....9....9!!!!! midfielders!
Who was player of the tournament? Who scored the most goals? Who got the most assists?
You know, Nani and Babel got into the u21 euro team of the tournament....Or some crap like that.
Reading that list is almost as playing the 'pick the odd one out' game.
Nicky Butt - Pele's player of the tournament World Cup 2002
http://www.uefa.org/mediaservices/mediareleases/newsid=1838241.html
That was the team of the tournament.....9....9!!!!! midfielders!
Who was player of the tournament? Who scored the most goals? Who got the most assists?
You know, Nani and Babel got into the u21 euro team of the tournament....Or some crap like that.
And? KM asked which tournament he performed in and I gave him an answer. He's had one good tournament during his international career, but I don't think that you can hold it against him considering looking back since Gerrard came into the fold, only Cole and Beckham come out with any credit.
I thought he was average at Euro 2012....That midfield of Gerrard and Parker
Absolutely shocking!!!Liverpool and England could have moved on and done better if they'd wished over the years but he's 'Super Stevie G' the endless feck-ups, complete ill-disciplined performances and generally running around like a toddler on a fecking cherryade trip, is all forgiven because "it's Stevie G". He's almost the epitome of our problems in this country. Personality, 'passion' and a really, really good 'trying hard face' rated over skill and ability.
He's almost a brand as much as Beckham was with the distinct disadvantage of having as many plus points, in that he's there because of who he is not really what he does. His ill-discipline in games, particularly positional, would get him slaughtered if he played regularly in a tactically astute system or country. Liverpool should have let him go to Chelsea a few years back, pocketed the cash and bought a midfielder who didn't want to play hero everywhere on the pitch and failing miserably most of the time.
He's almost a brand as much as Beckham was with the distinct disadvantage of having as many plus points, in that he's there because of who he is not really what he does. His ill-discipline in games, particularly positional, would get him slaughtered if he played regularly in a tactically astute system or country. Liverpool should have let him go to Chelsea a few years back, pocketed the cash and bought a midfielder who didn't want to play hero everywhere on the pitch and failing miserably most of the time.
@Plugsy I think you forgot to add white text.
Oh come on, for someone lauded as the best England has to offer over the years he's quite poor in many areas. Everything is about him. He's not the most cultured or intelligent player on a football field. Whenever the chips are down he's one of the worst ones to lose his head; concede an early goal and watch him whack 80mph passes off the bloke standing 5 yards away. In the game vs Italy he was the only one out of the squad of highly inexperienced players, incapable of keeping the ball at 1-1 at the close of the first half.
It's typical of him. It isn't to say he isn't capable of contributing a significant amount but he is very ill-disciplined and quite naive at times. He's not a great captain as he rarely seems interested in much outside his own game.
For all the criticism levelled at him, and I honestly think the criticism is justified, it's not like Roy had many options this summer. I'm really not convinced Barry, despite a good season, would've been any better (he would've brought something else to the table, but he has his limitations), and truly what Gerrard's 'downfall' highlights is the lack of more continental styled midfielders in England's ranks. Seriously, how many have there been over the last 10 years? Scholes, in his late career, who excelled in the role, but was never used as such in the England outfit, as far as I recall? Carrick, who completely fecked up his good work last season by being quite awful this one and ruining any chance he may have had to make the squad? (and who hasn't ever been as good with England as with Utd, which could be explained by other factors)
I think Gerrard should stop being used by England, I really don't see how the team is going to benefit from his presence anymore, but I'm honestly wondering how Roy would go about building a midfield that would be able to compete in 2 years in France if England qualifies. Henderson is incredibly limited, may progress but won't ever be that type of midfielder we're talking about, Wilshere also has a more dynamic profile, I just don't see anyone who could fill that role of being able to retain the ball and control the tempo. I think there's talent in some positions in the team, but I also think there's the glaring weakness of the midfield which will carry on causing us disappointments when face with good opposition.
I think Gerrard should stop being used by England, I really don't see how the team is going to benefit from his presence anymore, but I'm honestly wondering how Roy would go about building a midfield that would be able to compete in 2 years in France if England qualifies. Henderson is incredibly limited, may progress but won't ever be that type of midfielder we're talking about, Wilshere also has a more dynamic profile, I just don't see anyone who could fill that role of being able to retain the ball and control the tempo. I think there's talent in some positions in the team, but I also think there's the glaring weakness of the midfield which will carry on causing us disappointments when face with good opposition.
Deluding yourself if you think he had a good tournament there.
Looks set to be continued a free ride from Roy.
If Lampard is captain tomorrow looks like Gerrard is being left out, bloody good job and all.
Replacing one problem with another
Talk about making hay here. It's open season on Gerrard and some of the revisionism is hysterical. The hyperbolic nature of some of the analysis is nothing more than veiled hate.
Very true he has past his best as well and I think this should be his final swansong for England. Give him his due though he has been a better performer for England than Gerrard has.
I think it's pretty obvious he's an alcoholic
Gerrard cooking up a nice witch hunt with 'Arry, the slippery twats.
I hope we win and play well tomorrow. That would be the end of this scrote hopefully.
As much as I dislike Gerrard, I was happy to see him call out that slimeball, Redknapp.
The English team is really not very good is it. But, of all places that needed to be looked at in the tournament, perhaps strong midfield was the most important for Hodgson especially considering lack of any measurable quality there. Either a set of two defensive midfielder or three in the midfield was essential considering the relatively inexperienced back four. Also, the quality upfront was probably the only good aspect of the team. So, removing one attacker would probably won't have hindered its prospects as much. A midfield of three could really have been a better option if Hodgson wanted to build a team around Gerrard. As has been pointed out regularly, Henderson and Gerrard were a part of a successful trio for Liverpool this season with a more attack minded third (Coutinho) operating along side them. That could have been easily accomplished with/without Gerrard to form a strong midfield. Even a trio of Barry, Henderson and Barkley (or Wilshere) would have provided a strong midfield base for the team. Instead, Hodgson insisted on playing two in the center despite the deficiencies of Gerrard.
Slippy G did it again loool
His interviews are enough to make anyone depressed to be fair.
He does look and sound like someone completely unhappy with everything in life.
I'm not surprised if his favourite music is Phil 'feckin' Collins. I'd be depressed, too.
The way he buries his face afterwards is so funny. Hehe.
Lol I was told he slipped again but didn't believe it till I saw the vid haha he definatly living up to the name slippy g
Co-ordination problems in old age, innit.
I watched the Chelsea thing again. Here it is.
Right at the beginning, he is never in a (bodyshape) position to receive the pass despite 'making himself available - watch the first two/three steps Demba Ba takes - it's more a suspicion that something might happen, rather than actively closing down
Gerrard should still bring the ball back towards Sakho (nice & quietly & safely) but he's posing isn't he? So not in the right starting position to do that either.
So like he says, not a mistake, could happen to any professional footballer at any time,.
I watched the Chelsea thing again. Here it is.
Right at the beginning, he is never in a (bodyshape) position to receive the pass despite 'making himself available - watch the first two/three steps Demba Ba takes - it's more a suspicion that something might happen, rather than actively closing down
Gerrard should still bring the ball back towards Sakho (nice & quietly & safely) but he's posing isn't he? So not in the right starting position to do that either.
So like he says, not a mistake, could happen to any professional footballer at any time,
.Have you guys seen his latest interview, about greatest human being ever Luis Suarez:
I recently read a Simon Kuper book about footballers (can't remember the name, just borrowed it from somebody) and there's a decent article there devoted to why England can't do much at World Cups. The article points out the lack of technical prowess and tellingly, among other things, observes that Steve Gerrard's so called box to box midfield abilities are actually liabilities at international tournaments.
I defended Gerrard for his recent failures in the World Cup because you can't knock the man for lack of effort - he cares passionately about England and retiring must have been a huge personal blow for him. However, that article in Kuper's book pinpointed how much his style has held back England. It said that Gerrard does too much in England games - this was written before his retirement of course. That was so accurate. England gave him too expansive a role and he just didn't have the finesse and other technical abilities as well as strategic nouse to be playing in that way and doing so much in international games.
As for the mistakes at key points in games - it does honestly look like Gerrard is losing his sense of co-ordination and spatial awareness. I don't say that with any pleasure. I hope it is not symptomatic of some longer term condition such as a muscular atrophy disease. Those kinds of conditions can come on gradually and when the person is diagnosed with it, in hindsight it was evident to some extent. Hopefully Steve Gerrard's problems are nothing to do with an underlying physical condition.
Yes, I wondered slightly about the possibility of some v 'orrible illness - v earliest stages thereof, too., as I was typing my previous post. On the opposite side of this is that while at his peak SG was a tremendous athlete, (pace/power etc) you wouldn't really say he was ever the silkiest of movers. Hopefully we are just being silly/nasty-ish to be even thinking about pondering this.
Last edited:
My thoughts exactly. He loves himself so much!
Co-ordination problems in old age, innit.
I watched the Chelsea thing again. Here it is.
Right at the beginning, he is never in a (bodyshape) position to receive the pass despite 'making himself available - watch the first two/three steps Demba Ba takes - it's more a suspicion that something might happen, rather than actively closing down
Gerrard should still bring the ball back towards Sakho (nice & quietly & safely) but he's posing isn't he? So not in the right starting position to do that either.
So like he says, not a mistake, could happen to any professional footballer at any time,
I absolutely loathe people calling it the "slip". Even he has convinced himself he just fell over rather than admit that he was trying to do the half-turn that you see midfielders, himself included, do numerous times every game. The fact is that he was too casual about it and messed it up in the worst position imaginable. He could have controlled the ball normally & it wouldn't have happened. He could have done his half-turn properly and it wouldn't have happened.
Surprised they haven't sacked the groundsman though.
@montpelier Imagine there's another universe where Gerrard doesn't slip and Ba's move for the ball looks innocuous. Gerrard rolls the ball forward and Liverpool see out the half, the match and the season. Imagine living in that universe? I'm glad I don't.