Well it is because he's able to do it for club.
Steven Gerrard
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Well it is because he's able to do it for club.
What? Do it consistently in the big matches? I'd say Gerrard's impact for Liverpool there has been greater which is why the gap is larger when it comes to his form for country.
As others have pointed out without Rooney we wouldn't be in the Championship at all. The choker tag internationally is a fair one (though you could probably say that about every top English player since Beckham) but he has played as good for England as he has done for United. The same can't be said for Gerrard.
That's a load of shit. You have no way of knowing how we'd have done if Rooney hadn't been selected for the qualifiers. We might have done even better than we did.
Not really a load of shit. Any team would struggle without their main goalscorer, the time when England did lose Rooney for half of their qualification games back in for Euro 2008 they failed to qualify.
Given England won their group relatively easily, I think it's fair to say without their only proven goalscorer England may have been more likely to struggle than to do better than they did.
He was excellent in that short cameo, wasn't he? showing unbelievable pace, and good ball control. I'm hoping Sterling will be Lennon Mk II if staying at Liverpool.
He did seem to really show his age in both the Italy and Uruguay games. He looks so much more labored and slow nowadays.
When Liverpool are playing 2-3 games a week next season in the League and Europe, I think a lot of people are going to really notice that he's now past it.
When Liverpool are playing 2-3 games a week next season in the League and Europe, I think a lot of people are going to really notice that he's now past it.
Nice to see he avoided the press conference today. Some leader eh?
Rumoured to be retiring from international football tomorrow.
From kissing the camera at old Trafford, to pushing it away at palace, then completely avoiding it altogether. What a turn around 
Would be odd timing before the last game wouldn't it?
Alonso has done the same thing. Since we're already out, it doesn't really matter.
A captain goes down with his ship, no?
He's not officially announced anything though, or at least I've not seen anything. Thought he was waiting until after the WCs over too.
Anyway doesn't make a difference when. Right decision imo. He's reached the age to focus solely on club football.
nice, now i can start cheering for england again. not that they will win anything soon but at least...
Have to ask mate did you mean to write Gerrard here? It reads as if you were talking about Gerrard but wrote Zidane by mistake.
Would be a bit of a bold statement to say Zidane was never world class in midfield and was on the same level as Carrick.
Yeah, but in what mad world would he still be getting picked for England in four years?
It's the Euros in two years. He'll be 35, I reckon he fancies himself to lead England to that.
In reality, Hodgeson and the FA should tell him to feck off and use the Euro's to blood for the World Cup rather than using the Euro's to flog the In-ger-land cash cow.
I'd be very surprised amd disappointed if he didn't.
So would the whole of England.
He really isn't. Why do you think that?
And Pirlo spent most of his career underrated, so I'm glad he's getting the credit he deserves as it comes to the end.
Yep. I was talking for Gerrard. Typo mistake. Corrected it now
He will probably retire, get a TV show made about him and then come back again.
Didn't he turn 34 just before or during this tournament? He'll be 36 by the next Euros.
Yep. I was talking for Gerrard. Typo mistake. Corrected it now
Thought so mate, i've seen some wild opinions on here about which players are and are not world class, but someone saying Zidane wasn't world class would have taken the biscuit.
As a person perhaps as a player he has declined naturally as his ability to run has dwindled. Can't run a game like Scholes or Pirlo but then we always knew this.
Barney do you think when you got him away from the attacking 3 then Liverpool became more of an fluid attack no one slowing the ball down and with plenty movement it was great to watch (although painful) and you's pressed better without the ball as Gerrard can't run much the same now a days?
I think Gerrard being deep suits everyone. Gerrard doesn't have the legs to bomb on anymore. Playing him deep allows him to utilise his brilliant passing range while not exposing his main weakness (his lack of energy). If we tried to play Gerrard in a more attacking role at the moment he wouldn't fit in as he can't press well enough and he's not quick enough to work on the counter.
Yeah I agree, IMO if Liverpool had say Alonso playing in the position Gerrard did this season Liverpool would have strolled to the title. Gerrard as much as he's been brilliant is no longer unreplaceable at Liverpool and if they got a top player in that position would improve as a team.
Gerrard is good enough to control most premier league games. What we need from him next season is a strong start, because for the past two seasons he's started slowly before having fantastic second halves to the seasons.
What's going to be difficult for Gerrard now is not having a weeks rest between games, all season long. At his age, Brendan is going to have to use him intelligently, like Fergie did with Giggs & Scholes.
His regression next year,,,,ohhh,,,poor barney.
Do you even believe any of this?
His best position is clearly behind a front striker carrying late option goal threat. Unless there is a duo doing all the running for him his deep lying role is niche and borderline irrelevant. The same hit and miss long distribution might as well be a duo with good on ball dynamism. He's pulled the wool over a lot of eyes this past season. I am honestly staggered people haven't seen the blatant obviousness of taking away a dedicated close and hose ball winner in Lucas and his game falls apart. He simply doesn't have the legs or the intelligent dynamic passing tempo to play in a two man midfield. I mean, go back and watch those two games - it's as blatantly obvious as a headbutting a lorry doing 60mph the other way.
Has the sissy boy come out and shown his face/given interview after the defeat? He was making all sorts of claims pre-game. After losing it is job of Rooney and Hart to address media? Isn't he the captain? Bet if England had won and gone through, he would have come out talking big.
Lucas started less than half of Liverpool's games this season though?
Have you not encountered a scouser before? They are beyond myopic when it comes to their poster boy.
All his negativity before the Uruguay game 'No hiding place if we lose' etc sums up his weak mentality for big games. Reinforcing such strong doubts will only serve to increase your chances of bottling it, like he has against Chlesea and Uruguay this year. Terrible attitude, terrible captain. His affect on his teammates for both Liverpool and England has looked, from the outside at least, to be absolutely destructive.
Always play it positive, and don't reinforce the potential feelings of failure. It's Sports Psychology 101.
Always play it positive, and don't reinforce the potential feelings of failure. It's Sports Psychology 101.
20(7) for the season? My info could be misleading.
In any case, see Allen, Henderson, Coutinho creating the extra option for that role. The role more than the player.
His going to get murdered playing two games a week next season.
If he got murdered Liverpool and England might actually win something so lets not be wishing that on him.
The same thing happened with Giggs and Scholes a few years back. They'd be poor for half the season, but for the other half would be fantastic. I'm not sure what my point is though, as there is no correlation. If it was fitness, that wouldn't explain why they were sometimes great in the second half of seasons and not the first, if it was their ability to handle pressure, that wouldn't explain why they were sometimes great in the first half but not the second. Either way, I think it would be optimistic to think Liverpool will get a full season of greatness from Gerrard at this stage of his career.
What's the deal with Liverpool's central midfield at the moment? Do you think you need to get more strength in depth so that Gerrard can be managed properly, or do you think the players are already there?