The slip up couldn't have happened to a nicer guy...
Steven Gerrard
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What could have been for him and what he ended up with.
Meh, no point in making Gerrard a scapegoat either. He was poor in both games but, given the way England were set up, is that really a surprise?
Picking players based on reputation is stupid, as is playing players in roles they're not suited to. Hogson did both, he should be the one copping the blame.
Picking players based on reputation is stupid, as is playing players in roles they're not suited to. Hogson did both, he should be the one copping the blame.
Bitternes aside (of using him, instead of my beloved Carrick), his poor form in these 2 games lies on the manager. Gerrard shouldn't be in midfield 2 as a DM. His main attribute is spraying ball. He wouldn't be effective to cover the defense, and so is Henderson. At Liverpool, that duty falls to Lucas.
Such a tactically inept manager. Just imagine the frustration of having Hodgson as United manager. I'd even take the novice unproven Giggs over him.
Such a tactically inept manager. Just imagine the frustration of having Hodgson as United manager. I'd even take the novice unproven Giggs over him.
I understand that many England fans do not like him, but do people think that Fergie might be tempted to manage NT? Not much daily work, which is perfect for him. And Fergie is famous on building a football dinasty.
Manage England?
Absolutely no way could I ever see that happening. He wanted to go out a winner, he's got no chance of doing that with England.
This is true. I was listening to Italian analysis of England saying that Pirlo would never be asked to do the work Gerrard is asked to do in addition to the creative responsibilities he's given from deep. Pirlo gets a free ride as the team do his running allowing his brilliance to shine when the ball is won. It is down to tactical approaches. Gerrard has played sweeper for Liverpool this season but for a England he was supposed to be box to box.
He's also too smart (and Scottish) for that kind of legacy destroying nonsense.
Don't think he really rates international football, either. Not that more reasons are really required here.
He once said he couldn't manage England because he could never lead them out against Scotland IIRC.
It's more of a challenge. I think the media and FA would have more respect for him, thus would let him do as he please without interference.
And Fergie is famous for his attacking philosophy, which is what many England fans want to see. His trophies and track record on building team, would make fans have more patient on his work, if things don't go well at beginning.
Well, he can let his assistant (GN) to do that. Also, what the chance England will meet Scotland in WC?
Clutching at straws, jesus christ...
Well, Capello failed with England. And I don't think that tarnish his legendary legacy.
Most people understand the complexity of how further a team can progress in international tournament. One undeserved red card could change the result and such. Unless England will play utterly shit under him, I don't think legacy should matter to him.
@Lynk. What's your problem with those condescending responses?
I disagree. It didn't destroy his legacy, no. But it did take a bit of shine off it, certainly in English eyes. Having never managed over here, he had that mythical glamour that top foreign coaches have, but by the end he was just this slightly annoying grumpy bloke who had no more idea how to get England to be any good than everybody else that tries it.
I think England have the power to tarnish any manager's reputation, but it would be less so with Fergie, as everybody over here has been so eposed to how great he's been that our opinions are already ingrained. He would get unbelievable levels of abuse from ABUs as soon as things inevitably went wrong for the team though.
Fergie would also be 76 at the next World Cup.
I'm sure if given time Fergie would do well with England, because he's the greatest manager of all time but it's never going to happen is it? If he was still looking for challenges he wouldn't have retired.
I agree about Cappello though. He might still be considered one of the great managers but I was very disappointed with him as England manager. He seemed to make all the same errors as the rest.
It's just pointless, Ferguson isn't coming back to management and even if he were it wouldn't be to manage England.
On the one hand I'm happy that I'll never have to watch Gerrard stinking up another World Cup for England. On the other hand I'll no longer have the consolation when we go out of thinking about how pissed off he is.
It doesn't really matter, doesn't it? Gerrard's not going to the next World Cup. England might as well blood someone for the role. The problem is, the only 2 young-ish English centre midfielders I can think of are Cleverley and Wilshere. Josh McEachran has fallen away, Barkley is not strictly a centre midfielder. Maybe Shelvey might kick on next season, who knows?
I'm not convinced he's ready to retire from internationals yet though. I wish he fecking would.
He will be there until the Euros and retire when they flop again. He needs to go, but Roy will convince him that he is needed.
Yer'what? The media absolutely fecking loathe him.
We need more gerrard fail gifs
Unfortunately for Gerrard he can't and never has been able to run a game like Pirlo. He has been an all round impact player who would influence the game doing blockbuster things of having big moments. But he has never been able to dictate the tempo of play like a Pirlo type (Scholes, Xavi)
England captain Steven Gerrard on Twitter: "We maybe should have accepted that going for a point (against Uruguay) might have been the best option."
Yep if only that guy Gerrard had thought this through as much as you Steve.........
Yep if only that guy Gerrard had thought this through as much as you Steve.........
But when afforded the protection of a three man midfield he has been excellent, at times, for Liverpool in the season just gone. The rigid two man central midfield that Hodgson employed didn't play to his strengths, which is using the ball expansively to spread the play.
My perception of the season was Gerrard scored a lot if pens but wasn't that good overall. He can't run his passing range whilst good he doesn't have the brain to run a game. No England team at this stage of his career should be made to suit him as frankly he's not good enough. The team should have been built around your best player (who is Rooney)
Well, you wouldn't have to even come to this kinda statement if not for your Suarez assist.
I don't think Liverpool could've got to within a whisker of the league with their main central midfielder being not "good overall". He had a good season with his pens adding to it. He showed discipline as well. The idea that Gerrard has no football brain and is essentially a highlights player is a position that I've never understood given the range of outstanding performances he's put in over the past 15 years. He's played in about four different positions for Liverpool and was regularly the best player on the pitch.
As for England suiting Gerrard, I don't think the team should've been built round him but that's different to accommodating a player's strength. Given the way Rodgers utilised him I don't think it's an unreasonable position to suggest Hodgson could've deployed the midfield differently to avoid your best passer to have to do the leg work at a stage in his careers when that's not appropriate.
He's never a top, top player, at international level especially 
Play Gerrard as the deepest midfielder with two in front of him (not 2 metres next to him as Henderson was playing) and you'll get the best results from Stevie. Gerrard isn't a defensive midfielder, but as the deepest midfielder he does a fine job. It's no coincidence that when he took up the position we went on our best run of the season.
And who are the candidates for the 2 players on front of and very close to him? Henderson and Llalana/Wilshere? So the two will be 'protecting' him from the front? I think this will be more of a gamble because he needs so much protection at his age now. God knows when he will slip up again.
Of course everyone remembers, fondly if you're a Utd fan, his slip against Chelsea which ultimately cost them the title. But as bad as that was it was his 2nd half performance that day that was at least equally as terrible, when he had about 12 desperate shots on goal ranging from mediocre to awful, frantically trying to make up for his slip.
He did a mini version against Uruguay after his header played Suarez in. In the 5 or 6 minutes left I counted one aimless "Hollywood" ball that drifted out for a goal kick, one half hearted attempt at a dive, and of course one crap pot shot from about 30 yards. It was like a real life youtube compilation of all the headless chicken criticisms people have levelled at Gerrard throughout the years.
He did a mini version against Uruguay after his header played Suarez in. In the 5 or 6 minutes left I counted one aimless "Hollywood" ball that drifted out for a goal kick, one half hearted attempt at a dive, and of course one crap pot shot from about 30 yards. It was like a real life youtube compilation of all the headless chicken criticisms people have levelled at Gerrard throughout the years.
Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke.
Wonder if the last few months will have a longer-lasting effect on him?