Spurs XI: name 4 better Prem players in each position?

[Snow]

Lloris (GK):
Walker (RB): Bellerín, Azpilicueta, Clyne, Sagna, Coleman, Zabaleta,
Rose (LB): Shaw, Monreal, Baines, Fuchs,
Alderweireld & Vertonghen (CB partnership):
Dier & Dembele (CM pairing):
Alli (central AM): Silva, De Bruyne, Gylfi, Özil, Payet, Coutinho, Firmino, Ramsey, Mata
Lamela (right AM): Mahrez, Mkhitaryan, Mane, Nolito, Willian
Eriksen (left AM):
Kane (striker):

 

[NK86]

Lloris (GK):
Walker (RB): Bellerín, Azpilicueta, Clyne, Sagna, Coleman, Zabaleta,
Rose (LB): Shaw, Monreal, Baines, Fuchs,
Alderweireld & Vertonghen (CB partnership):
Dier & Dembele (CM pairing):
Alli (central AM): Silva, De Bruyne, Gylfi, Özil, Payet, Coutinho, Firmino, Ramsey, Mata
Lamela (right AM): Mahrez, Mkhitaryan, Mane, Nolito, Willian
Eriksen (left AM):
Kane (striker):

So DDG and Martial are not better than Lloris and Eriksen respectively?

 

[Rafateria]

No crash is wishful thinking in the extreme. Property is always on a boom bust cycle in London. We are in the denial phase.

It's a huge bubble. Has to pop sooner or later.

I think prices will fall 30-50%.



http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/societe-ge...london-brexit-will-trigger-correction-1571240

Well not wishing to turn this into an economic debate but I'll just mention that London's earning to price ratio has not been relevant to the stability of it's market since it became a haven for Arab money (and following waves) 30 years ago. Minor market corrections are always happening but a crash ? I don't see that at all - and I don't pay too much attention-seeking whores writing 'crash & bubble' articles which surface after any major financial statement into a country's health (I've been writing on China's real estate health and lack of 'bubbles' for the past 20 years despite the likes of Morgan Stanley and Hines insisting they are there and that a crash will happen any day .. and yet it still hasn't happened 20 yrs on but that doesn't stop them continuing to make these negative forecasts because they are pandering to what politicians and the West want to hear, that China isn't getting stronger).

We'll have to see in London because Brexit is no normal statement of a country's financial health, however where one group, seeking steady financial gain to underpin their funds/savings, sees instability another group sees massive opportunity due to currency gains and a dip in commercial prices (which of course are unaffected by earnings to price ratios anyway). On the residential side the UK (not just London) is already seeing a huge influx of funds from China, that is only going to increase with the readjusted exchange rate. This is quite aside from the post-Brexit headache where many people/media forecast doomsday scenarios, which are already being seen as excessive. 30-50% isn't a crash it's the end of the world and in no scenario will that happen.

 

[Invictus]

The problem with this particular Spurs discussion (not to detract from their performances in 2015/16, mind) is that there's a sense of recency bias working in their favor, which can cloud a broader or more deliberate qualitative assessment. In terms of short term-ist intuition, yes - Alderweireld + Vertonghen is possibly the best center back pairing in the league, and Dembélé + Dier is in with a shout for the best center midfield pairing - but that's based on a sample size that extended over a grand total of 8+ months, and not all of those players evidenced a similar level of performances over the preceding period.

Not too long ago, Cahill + Terry was the best centerback pairing in the league - but again, you could never be sure if they could sustain that level over multiple seasons - like Rio/Vidić or Terry/Carvalho or Hyypiä + 1 did in the past. One might counter-argue that Alderweireld + Vertonghen are younger, ergo - the odds are in their favor, but we haven't even ascertained their median level just yet (relative to the competition - which is also changing all the time). Frankly, the league is currently too volatile (and short on cumulative established quality) to draw up conclusive 'they are Top 4 at heir position lists' - with the likes of Vardy and Mahrez cropping up out of seemingly nowhere, while the likes of Hazard hit rock bottom. The only outliers are players who've been conclusively established as the 'best' with little in way of wider competition - like Čech or De Gea. And that does kinda render the discussion moot.

 

[Snow]

So DDG and Martial are not better than Lloris and Eriksen respectively?

Read bold part of OP.

 

[Speak]

Lloris (GK):
Walker (RB): Bellerín, Azpilicueta, Clyne, Sagna, Coleman, Zabaleta,
Rose (LB): Shaw, Monreal, Baines, Fuchs,
Alderweireld & Vertonghen (CB partnership):
Dier & Dembele (CM pairing):
Alli (central AM): Silva, De Bruyne, Gylfi, Özil, Payet, Coutinho, Firmino, Ramsey, Mata
Lamela (right AM): Mahrez, Mkhitaryan, Mane, Nolito, Willian
Eriksen (left AM):
Kane (striker):

You're being very generous to the guys in bold.

 

[We'veGotDeleAlli]

And get real touchy on being called out for it.

You guys enjoying your circle jerk?

 

[We'veGotDeleAlli]

You're being very generous to the guys in bold.

Some of the players over Alli too. Gylfi?

Decent player, good free kick on him. Scored a few nice goals for us. Not half the player Alli is.

 

[We'veGotDeleAlli]

Given our recent interaction I assume you're talking about me. Aside from trying to have a lively debate and defend my team (crazy, i know) I'm not sure what I've done to upset you so badly. No worries...I'll move on.

It's actually pathetic, isn't it? Apparently we're up our own arses and delusional for liking our own players. Not for saying we will win the title (we haven't) not even for saying we'll easily get top 4 (we haven't) but for thinking we may have some good players. Being bashed for having the audacity to say Dembele is better than Schneiderlin, or Kane is better than Rashford, or Alderweireld better than Smalling.

 

[We'veGotDeleAlli]

I don't think I need to. Some deluded Soton fan will do it if they finish in the top 4 once in a decade saying how they are the most successful club.

I don't even think this was a good idea for a thread, it was always going to open us up to fire, but there hasn't been much wrong said within the thread.

Go ahead and highlight one person in this thread saying Spurs are the most successful club. The furthest we've extended our supposed delusions is to say in the last couple of seasons, we have done better than Manchester United given our respective resources. Something I imagine a vast majority of neutral football fans and experts would agree with.

 

[Vicar of Dibbly]

That would be relevant if the likes of Leicester City won the league every year or so. It was the biggest shock in the history of world football, something you neglect to mention!

There was no need to mention it. My post wasn't about Leicester specifically, it was about the importance of having the right players that fit together as a team rather than a star studded eleven players that don't fit together well. Man City are a classic example. When the oil money first arrived they spent an obscene amount of money on World class players which took almost a season and a half, plus a few more tweeks along the way before they started to click as a team. They were absolutely abysmal the first season in spite of everybody expecting them to piss the league title based in the players they bought. It just didn't happen.

 

[Leftback99]

Nah, we've been way more Spursy in the past. It was way more Spursy for example, when we finished 4th after having a 10 point lead over Arsenal. This didn't feel like that, it was something a bit different.

We only really collapsed when there was nothing to play for this season, after the draw to Chelsea. Usually, doing a Spurs would mean crapping ourselves when we're close to winning something. This was just a failure to motivate the players after we dropped out of the title race, which if anything is worse. Despite our incredible season, the players should be ashamed of themselves for their end of season displays.

Spurs collapsed as soon as they didn't have close to their full first choice XI available for pretty much the first time in the season. Something all their rivals except Leicester suffered from throughout the season.

 

[Rafateria]

Its a crazy assumption to make that foreign investors will always stick with London. It's a classic asset bubble situation.

https://next.ft.com/content/b09c38ce-d4ba-11e3-bf4e-00144feabdc0

It happened in the late 80s in London. It also happened in New York.

Using outdated historical data is not pertinent to the financial state of the world as it stands today (e.g. in the late 70's and early 80's UK interest rates reached 20% and inflation 10%, in the late 80's the GDP actually went negative and inflation romped to 10% again - where are they now?) and has been shown numerous times to be of limited value in forecasting today's markets. This is why the Morgan-Stanleys of the world continually fall flat on their faces when forecasting China. The FT claim that because RoI has reached less that 5% on rental properties that London property is due a major correction, however Shanghai has RoI on rental properties at below 1% and there is still no sign of a falling market, in fact to the contrary.

An asset bubble is only a bubble if the investors dry up, but I simply don't see that happening, the vacuum created by a few fleeing US or European investors will soon be filled by others looking for value and it should be noted that by far the largest investors in Central London (70% of which is owned by foreign investors) are the Russians and the UK offers a far safer haven than the US (for example) for their cash (and UK visas). The Chinese are the perfect example of new large-scale investors (the largest but not the only ones) and will (and already are) divert attention to wherever they see the best value and a globally important city such as London is a prime asset regardless of Brexit or perceived financial instability. China added ca. 1 million new $$$ millionaires in 2014 (Google it, figures from mid-2015), many of whom seek to diversify their China holdings by investing overseas, with the USA, UK and Australia their prime destinations (there are virtually no financial vehicles for them in China other than property or the volatile Chinese stock-markets).

In fact I'd go as far as to say the biggest threat to London prices is not Brexit nor currency fluctuations nor oil prices, but new supply. Yet even that is dwarfed by the number of potential overseas investors. And if you compare London prices to overseas prices based on the £ currency devaluation it means that London prices have barely moved from 5 years ago.

One can never be sure of how any market is going to react to fluctuating conditions, which is why all these herd forecasters get it wrong so often (USA in the 90's, prior to the prime crash, and China for the past 20 years are prime examples) but I can't see a massive fall of 30-50% in any realistic scenario, a minor market correction is already underway - which in itself will attract new investors. However we'll just have to see, stranger things have happened.

 

[We'veGotDeleAlli]

Spurs collapsed as soon as they didn't have close to their full first choice XI available for pretty much the first time in the season. Something all their rivals except Leicester suffered from throughout the season.

That's a fair point, we certainly had awful depth. Especially in midfield, which is incredibly important to the way we play. Losing Dembele & Alli cost us badly. I'd say we have a very good starting 11, but poor depth. Though as I've already stated, having signed Wanyama, Janssen and very likely a winger, we should have improved on that front.

We don't (fingers crossed) generally get many injuries though, nor do we have any players that are really 'injury prone', so we got away with having crap depth for a lot of last season.

 

[jelaiho]

De Gea
Bellerin Koscielny Ardeweirld Monreal
Kante Xhaka
Aguero Ozil Alexis
Kane

Too many good players in this league but this is would be my team.

Difficult leaving out players like Martial, De Bruyne, Ibrahimovic, Hazard, Mahrez etc.

 

[TheReligion]

There was no need to mention it. My post wasn't about Leicester specifically, it was about the importance of having the right players that fit together as a team rather than a star studded eleven players that don't fit together well. Man City are a classic example. When the oil money first arrived they spent an obscene amount of money on World class players which took almost a season and a half, plus a few more tweeks along the way before they started to click as a team. They were absolutely abysmal the first season in spite of everybody expecting them to piss the league title based in the players they bought. It just didn't happen.

I'm not sure what relevance this is to Spurs? You already have a team but you need a superstar with some experience IMO.

 

[We'veGotDeleAlli]

De Gea
Bellerin Koscielny Ardeweirld Monreal
Kante Xhaka
Aguero Ozil Alexis
Kane

Too many good players in this league but this is would be my team.

Difficult leaving out players like Martial, De Bruyne, Ibrahimovic, Hazard, Mahrez etc.

Could you overrate Arsenal any more? Koscielny, Bellerin - fair enough. Monreal is arguable too, if only because of a lack of decent fullbacks in the league, but Shaw is clearly better if he recovers from his injury and Rose had the better season. Ozil/Sanchez are fair enough, but I wouldn't have them both in the side, especially not after Sanchez's last season.

Xhaka hasn't played a game in the league and is already in a best XI? My god, you haven't signed Iniesta you know.

 

[Rafateria]

De Gea
Bellerin Koscielny Ardeweirld Monreal
Kante Xhaka
Aguero Ozil Alexis
Kane

Too many good players in this league but this is would be my team.

Difficult leaving out players like Martial, De Bruyne, Ibrahimovic, Hazard, Mahrez etc.

6 Arsenal players in the league's best Xi ? Jesus wept, as if.

 

[NK86]

I don't even think this was a good idea for a thread, it was always going to open us up to fire, but there hasn't been much wrong said within the thread.

Go ahead and highlight one person in this thread saying Spurs are the most successful club. The furthest we've extended our supposed delusions is to say in the last couple of seasons, we have done better than Manchester United given our respective resources. Something I imagine a vast majority of neutral football fans and experts would agree with.

How on earth can you say you have been more successful than United while finishing below us? Absolutely absurd. So we spent more money would mean we were not more successful than you?

Success cannot ever be measured against money spent - especially considering the period we were/are in. Our target was top 4 that season and so was yours. We finished 4th while you finished 5th (6 points adrift), yet you have the rhetoric of being more successful that season because you spent less. Do you not see the issue with that?

 

[NK86]

It's actually pathetic, isn't it? Apparently we're up our own arses and delusional for liking our own players. Not for saying we will win the title (we haven't) not even for saying we'll easily get top 4 (we haven't) but for thinking we may have some good players. Being bashed for having the audacity to say Dembele is better than Schneiderlin, or Kane is better than Rashford, or Alderweireld better than Smalling.

See why I said real touchy? No one - at least not sincerely - believes that some of your players aren't better than ours. However there have been posts by Spurs fans about how there is this new tide which would mean they are now favorites to finish above us. So obviously United fans will retort. What do you expect when you see those statements when you have finished above us like 2 times in I don't even know how long.

Granted that we no longer have SAF at the helm, but we now have a manager who actually many wanted to replace SAF till we gave the job inexplicably to Moyes.

Surely Spurs has a very good side but there is also quite a bit of overrating of some of their players. Dembele is now the best CM for example. He had one good season and was bang average before that. That does not make him the best CM in the PL. So people can easily use that as an example and say that he has hit a purple patch and will not be as good.

 

[We'veGotDeleAlli]

How on earth can you say you have been more successful than United while finishing below us? Absolutely absurd. So we spent more money would mean we were not more successful than you?

Success cannot ever be measured against money spent - especially considering the period we were/are in. Our target was top 4 that season and so was yours. We finished 4th while you finished 5th (6 points adrift), yet you have the rhetoric of being more successful that season because you spent less. Do you not see the issue with that?

Oh dear. I have no idea how you're struggling to grasp this concept, it's like saying an extremely small club like Bournemouth are unsuccessful every season because they finish extremely low in the table. Except no, because going by the size of their club and their spending, that's where they should be. They achieve their expectations.

Yes, it can. If you spend money, you expect success. There's a reason you purchase players and it's to win games, they aren't only there for the commercial aspect. City haven't spent over a billion on players without wanting success.

Since Fergie left, you've finished behind us in 2 out of 3 seasons. How on earth can YOU say you've been more successful than us in that period? You've overall done worse than us, whilst spending far, far more money to get there! Absolutely absurd indeed.

Your MINIMUM aim for that season was top 4, given the money spent and the calibre of players brought in, I imagine a title challenge was the target, which you completely failed to deliver. Had Van Gaal finished outside the top 4, it's likely he would have been sacked.

Our minimum aim would have been to finish between 5th-7th, top 4 would have been considered an excellent season. That's where the difference lies, and if you can't understand that now you never will.

 

[We'veGotDeleAlli]

See why I said real touchy? No one - at least not sincerely - believes that some of your players aren't better than ours. However there have been posts by Spurs fans about how there is this new tide which would mean they are now favorites to finish above us. So obviously United fans will retort. What do you expect when you see those statements when you have finished above us like 2 times in I don't even know how long.

Granted that we no longer have SAF at the helm, but we now have a manager who actually many wanted to replace SAF till we gave the job inexplicably to Moyes.

Surely Spurs has a very good side but there is also quite a bit of overrating of some of their players. Dembele is now the best CM for example. He had one good season and was bang average before that. That does not make him the best CM in the PL. So people can easily use that as an example and say that he has hit a purple patch and will not be as good.

3 seasons.

No Spurs fan has talked about a 'new tide' other than Glaston, so stop acting as if it's been all of us doing it. It's one person. If you want to argue about it, go talk to him. On the other hand, you've got a lot of United fans very sure you'll finish ahead of us next season, despite recent seasons in which it's been very tight between us.


You're putting words in to our mouth, because you can't find any genuine examples of us overrating our players to that level. No Spurs fan in this thread has called Dembele the best central midfielder in the league. I said early on that he'd make every midfield other than Chelsea, simply because the level of midfielders in the league is so poor. That doesn't equate to 'best midfielder in the league' it means he's a good midfielder who is better than the likes of Fernando, Elneny, Schneiderlin, Lucas etc. There are clearly better central midfielders in the league - Kante, Fabregas, Toure (when he can be arsed), the imminently arrived Pogba. Ramsey (not last season's version) and Gundogan are all better, at least when playing to their ability. Dembele was better than most on this list last season though.

 

[NK86]

3 seasons.

No Spurs fan has talked about a 'new tide' other than Glaston, so stop acting as if it's been all of us doing it. It's one person. If you want to argue about it, go talk to him. On the other hand, you've got a lot of United fans very sure you'll finish ahead of us next season, despite recent seasons in which it's been very tight between us.


You're putting words in to our mouth, because you can't find any genuine examples of us overrating our players to that level. No Spurs fan in this thread has called Dembele the best central midfielder in the league. I said early on that he'd make every midfield other than Chelsea, simply because the level of midfielders in the league is so poor. That doesn't equate to 'best midfielder in the league' it means he's a good midfielder who is better than the likes of Fernando, Elneny, Schneiderlin, Lucas etc. There are clearly better central midfielders in the league - Kante, Fabregas, Toure (when he can be arsed), the imminently arrived Pogba. Ramsey (not last season's version) and Gundogan are all better, at least when playing to their ability. Dembele was better than most on this list last season though.

I think you should read the thread more properly if you think Dembele has not been called the best CM in the league or people saying they are not sure if Pogba would be better than him.

 

[NK86]

Oh dear. I have no idea how you're struggling to grasp this concept, it's like saying an extremely small club like Bournemouth are unsuccessful every season because they finish extremely low in the table. Except no, because going by the size of their club and their spending, that's where they should be. They achieve their expectations.

Yes, it can. If you spend money, you expect success. There's a reason you purchase players and it's to win games, they aren't only there for the commercial aspect. City haven't spent over a billion on players without wanting success.

Since Fergie left, you've finished behind us in 2 out of 3 seasons. How on earth can YOU say you've been more successful than us in that period? You've overall done worse than us, whilst spending far, far more money to get there! Absolutely absurd indeed.

Your MINIMUM aim for that season was top 4, given the money spent and the calibre of players brought in, I imagine a title challenge was the target, which you completely failed to deliver. Had Van Gaal finished outside the top 4, it's likely he would have been sacked.

Our minimum aim would have been to finish between 5th-7th, top 4 would have been considered an excellent season. That's where the difference lies, and if you can't understand that now you never will.

We have failed by our own standards but that does not automatically equate to you being more successful than us. By that measure you were also more successful than Real Madrid when they were struggling to win anything despite the galacticos era coming in.

Doing well compared to your spend is all fine and understandable but beyond that is not really logical. However I will leave you to keep believing in it.

 

[We'veGotDeleAlli]

I think you should read the thread more properly if you think Dembele has not been called the best CM in the league or people saying they are not sure if Pogba would be better than him.

Nope, nobody has said that. Feel free to pick out where they have.

 

[We'veGotDeleAlli]

We have failed by our own standards but that does not automatically equate to you being more successful than us. By that measure you were also more successful than Real Madrid when they were struggling to win anything despite the galacticos era coming in.

Doing well compared to your spend is all fine and understandable but beyond that is not really logical. However I will leave you to keep believing in it.

If you can't understand the concept that success is relative, then there's nothing more to be said.

 

[Vicar of Dibbly]

See why I said real touchy? No one - at least not sincerely - believes that some of your players aren't better than ours. However there have been posts by Spurs fans about how there is this new tide which would mean they are now favorites to finish above us. So obviously United fans will retort. What do you expect when you see those statements when you have finished above us like 2 times in I don't even know how long.

Granted that we no longer have SAF at the helm, but we now have a manager who actually many wanted to replace SAF till we gave the job inexplicably to Moyes.

Surely Spurs has a very good side but there is also quite a bit of overrating of some of their players. Dembele is now the best CM for example. He had one good season and was bang average before that. That does not make him the best CM in the PL. So people can easily use that as an example and say that he has hit a purple patch and will not be as good.

Nobody has said Dembele is "the best CM in the PL". Don't make false claims as to what people have said, it destroys your credibility. As for Dembele being "bang average" before last season that isn't strictly true. He was outstanding when at Fulham, I well remember a game at Old Trafford when he took your midfield apart. His first season at spurs was also good, then he got a hip injury which niggled away for almost two seasons. Yes his performances were average during that time because of the injury and there was talk of him having to have surgery on his hip. However, it cleared up on it's own, fortunately the surgery wasn't needed. Finally free of injury last season he was back to his old self. So yes, he was average for two seasons but that wasn't the typical Dembele. So, last season was not a "purple patch", that was the real Dembele, as he was for Fulham and his first season at spurs. It is therefore likely that he will be as good this coming season.

 

[Kentonio]

It would be easier to ask which Spurs players any of us would actually want in our team. I'd take Kane and maybe Alderweireld if we can't get our first choice this window, but apart from that I can't think of a single player I actually want.

 

[AkaAkuma]

Why not carry this on in a spurs forum, we'll meet you over there.

 

[JonDahl]

Can't be arsed. You'll finish sixth.

It would be easier to ask which Spurs players any of us would actually want in our team. I'd take Kane and maybe Alderweireld if we can't get our first choice this window, but apart from that I can't think of a single player I actually want.

How about Lloris, Walker, Vertonghen , Rose, Dembele, Dier, Lamela & Eriksen?????

 

[Kentonio]

How about Lloris, Walker, Vertonghen , Rose, Dembele, Dier, Lamela & Eriksen?????

Nope, we have better options in each of those positions.

 

[Ødegaard]

It would be easier to ask which Spurs players any of us would actually want in our team. I'd take Kane and maybe Alderweireld if we can't get our first choice this window, but apart from that I can't think of a single player I actually want.

Alderweireld for sure.
If it wasn't for a wish of seeing Rashford succeed, Kane would of course.
If we don't sign Pogba, then Eriksen would be great.

We need a right back for sure, but I don't want Walker.
Dier & Dembele are two other players that wouldn't be bad (good players by all means), but not of the quality I would want in first choice players for a top side in Europe.

I don't rate Delle Alli, but I do have some irrational dislike for him that is definitely making me a bit biased in his case, also there would be a choice between Alli & Eriksen, and I'd pick Eriksen every time in that attacking midfielder role above Alli.

 

[We'veGotDeleAlli]

Nope, we have better options in each of those positions.

Not based on Courtois in the Premier League you don't. You wouldn't want Alli, either? Alderweireld a maybe? He's a vast improvement on any of your current options.

Not to mention that right back do you have that's better than Walker? This is assuming we count Azpilicueta as a left back. The well past it Ivanovic? Cuadrado, who was a joke of a player in the Premier League?

 

[WhoDaGOAT]

It would be easier to ask which Spurs players any of us would actually want in our team. I'd take Kane and maybe Alderweireld if we can't get our first choice this window, but apart from that I can't think of a single player I actually want.

Alderweireld is better than Smalling.

I'd probably take Eriksen over Mata, although I do rate Mata.

I'd have Dele Alli ahead of Rooney any day.

Lamela is better than Memphis.

 

[Vicar of Dibbly]

Alderweireld for sure.
If it wasn't for a wish of seeing Rashford succeed, Kane would of course.
If we don't sign Pogba, then Eriksen would be great.

We need a right back for sure, but I don't want Walker.
Dier & Dembele are two other players that wouldn't be bad (good players by all means), but not of the quality I would want in first choice players for a top side in Europe.

I don't rate Delle Alli, but I do have some irrational dislike for him that is definitely making me a bit biased in his case, also there would be a choice between Alli & Eriksen, and I'd pick Eriksen every time in that attacking midfielder role above Alli.

Really?? You're not even the top side in England last time I checked.

 

[Ødegaard]

Really?? You're not even the top side in England last time I checked.

Yes, really. I didn't claim us to be a top side in Europe. I sure as hell want us to become one though.

 

[Vicar of Dibbly]

Yes, really. I didn't claim us to be a top side in Europe. I sure as hell want us to become one though.

Well that's how it reads.

 

[JonDahl]

Nope, we have better options in each of those positions.

Ok, how about Chadli, Mason, Wimmer, Onomah or Trippier?

Surely, you'd take one of these? I mean, they were all better than your players last season and that's all that matters.

 

[We'veGotDeleAlli]

Seems to be a lot of our players are being underrated for not being 'star names' or glitzy enough, there also seems to be a lot of underrating of Alli, a player who at the age of 19 came in to the Premier League and looked like he'd been playing here for years, grabbing 10 goals & 9 assists and giving us some truly magical moments.

Oh well, we'll soon know anyway with the season just around the corner.

 

[Kentonio]

Not based on Courtois in the Premier League you don't. You wouldn't want Alli, either? Alderweireld a maybe? He's a vast improvement on any of your current options.

Courtois is a considerably better keeper than Lloris, and one off season when the whole team lost their way doesn't change that. Courtois vs De Gea is a decent debate, Courtois vs Lloris is not. I said Alderweireld as a maybe because we're trying to bring in Koulibaly to partner Zouma as he comes through. I wouldn't want to disrupt Zouma's development for Toby Alderweireld.

Not to mention that right back do you have that's better than Walker? This is assuming we count Azpilicueta as a left back. The well past it Ivanovic? Cuadrado, who was a joke of a player in the Premier League?

Ivanovich can do one, and I wouldn't play Cuadrado as a full back. We have Ola Aina coming through who is looking fantastic, but RB is the one place you might have a point. I can think of many players I'd buy ahead of Kyle Walker though.