Spurs XI: name 4 better Prem players in each position?

GlastonSpur said:
The thing with Shaw is that, due to injury, he's so far made just 29 appearances for United ... which is a pretty limited basis on which to proclaim him the best LB in the league. Moreover, as a wingback he's scored 0 goals and made just 2 assists during his professional career so far - 96 appearances. Obviously his primary duty is defence, but even so these stats don't provide much support for claiming he is the best LB in the Prem in terms of his contribution to attack.

Meanwhile, Rose has scored 9 goals and made 10 assists during 182 appearances, which is far higher attacking contribution even taking into account the fact that he's made nearly twice as many appearances than Shaw. And defensively he played a solid part in what was the Prem's joint best defence last season. His being voted the best LB in the Prem last season has solid groundings.

Shaw is a very good LB, but for me he has yet to prove that he's the best LB in the Prem, tho' he has time on his side.
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Can't argue with that on last season, given Shaw's injury. I've followed him for years so I'm not just referring to last year. Plus, in the premier league, there is a dearth of quality at left back. Anyway, we shall see this season.
We'veGotDeleAlli said:
I did say except maybe Shaw. I really rate him, he's better defensively than Rose for sure and of course if I could swap I would, due to age. Rose is a monster on the overlap though, he's genuinely so often our most obvious attacking threat, pulls defenders all over the place.

Very, very underrated player. I can understand people not rating Walker due to his errors, but Rose is much better than Walker IMO and has cut out the mistakes.
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Let's see how Rose develops. At 26, he's not gonna come on leaps and bounds, so I do stand by my original point. I actually rate Walker higher than Rose, to be honest.
 
jungledrums said:
Can't argue with that on last season, given Shaw's injury. I've followed him for years so I'm not just referring to last year. Plus, in the premier league, there is a dearth of quality at left back. Anyway, we shall see this season.

Let's see how Rose develops. At 26, he's not gonna come on leaps and bounds, so I do stand by my original point. I actually rate Walker higher than Rose, to be honest.
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He doesn't need to come on leaps and bounds, as long as he doesn't decline I'm happy. He made the team of the year last season for a reason, he was consistently excellent for us.
 
We'veGotDeleAlli said:
He doesn't need to come on leaps and bounds, as long as he doesn't decline I'm happy. He made the team of the year last season for a reason, he was consistently excellent for us.
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There's a real lack of quality at left back, though. He was also a member of the best back line in the league, so there's that, too. It would be silly to discount his role in making that back 4 the best in the league, but he certainly has help from those around him.
How do you view Rose compared to Baines and Bertrand?
 
jungledrums said:
There's a real lack of quality at left back, though. He was also a member of the best back line in the league, so there's that, too. It would be silly to discount his role in making that back 4 the best in the league, but he certainly has help from those around him.
How do you view Rose compared to Baines and Bertrand?
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True, but he's one of the better ones around in the league still. I can't think of one that offers more going forward, Fuchs was excellent last season to be fair.

Definitely better than Baines, who I think is past it now. He's 31, he's had injury issues and I don't think he's anything like the player he was. As for Bertrand, he's very good defensively but going forward Rose is much better. We saw that at the Euro's, Bertrand offered almost nothing on the attack. They're at a similar level though, both are solid players.

I think Rose is a better fit for us (Pocchetino needs his fullbacks to provide width) and Bertrand a better fit for Southampton. People go on about how organised we are, but honestly that's a better description for them. They are extremely well drilled and hard to beat and a LB like Bertrand is perfect for that.
 
Ok, we get it, Spurs have the best team in the league.

Still they will finish 6th.
 
We'veGotDeleAlli said:
Moussa Dembele whoscored rating last season: 7.69, the 4th highest league. That's ahead of Kante and miles ahead of any other central midfielder in the league.
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Otamendi was the 12th best player in the league according to WhoScored. These kind of things make for interesting reading but I wouldn't attach any weight to them whatsoever.
 
BobbyManc said:
Otamendi was the 12th best player in the league according to WhoScored. These kind of things make for interesting reading but I wouldn't attach any weight to them whatsoever.
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There's always some outliers of course, but mostly the best performing players are at the top. Likes of Mahrez, Ozil, Vardy, Kante, Kane, Van Djik fill the top spots, and all were some of the best performers. It's not 100% accurate though, of course not.
 
GlastonSpur said:
The thing with Shaw is that, due to injury, he's so far made just 29 appearances for United ... which is a pretty limited basis on which to proclaim him the best LB in the league. Moreover, as a wingback he's scored 0 goals and made just 2 assists during his professional career so far - 96 appearances. Obviously his primary duty is defence, but even so these stats don't provide much support for claiming he is the best LB in the Prem in terms of his contribution to attack.

Meanwhile, Rose has scored 9 goals and made 10 assists during 182 appearances, which is far higher attacking contribution even taking into account the fact that he's made nearly twice as many appearances than Shaw. And defensively he played a solid part in what was the Prem's joint best defence last season. His being voted the best LB in the Prem last season has solid groundings.

Shaw is a very good LB, but for me he has yet to prove that he's the best LB in the Prem, tho' he has time on his side.
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Didn’t Rose play LW at the start of his pro career?
 
top1whoisman said:
Didn’t Rose play LW at the start of his pro career?
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Yes, which is a good point. But I don't know how many of his goals/assists came from this position, which he stopped playing quite a long while ago.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Yes, which is a good point. But I don't know how many of his goals/assists came from this position, which he stopped playing quite a long while ago.
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Aye, checked it - only one goal from RM in his debut against Arsenal. So not a big difference there :)
 
GlastonSpur said:
Perhaps you can explain then why Rose was voted the season's best LB by his fellow professionals ... are they all closet Spurs fans?
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Oh voting is now the final arbiter of quality? Okay.

Of course you and your buddy are going to massively overrate your players. You two sound absolutely desperate for other teams fans to consider you top 4 material when you aren't this year. This year you will be in for a harsh surprise when your full backs are found out to be mediocre in the CL just like they were at the euros and Dele's purple patch evaporates and you struggle to even finish top 6 this year.
 
Alright. I'm not limiting it to teams competing for top 4. There are some standouts in lower teams so I'm considering them to be in contention. It's difficult to judge the partnership between Alderweireld and Vertonghen because I rate Toby highly while not rating Vertonghen at all. Kompany is the best cb in the league imo, then Alderweireld, Koscienly, Smalling, Van Dijk, etc (could name a lot better than Vertonghen) but as a partnership it's probably the best.

Lloris (GK): De Gea, Courtois, _____
Walker (RB): Bellerin, Azpilicueta, _______
Rose (LB): Shaw, Azpilicueta, Cresswell, Baines
Alderweireld & Vertonghen (CB partnership): _______
Dier & Dembele (CM pairing): Fernandinho & Gundogan, Xhaka & Ramsey, Carrick & Pogba, Matic & Kante
Alli (central AM): De Bruyne, Ozil, Payet, Coutinho
Lamela (right AM): Mkhitaryan, Mahrez, Nolito, Mane (the most talented wingers all seem to play on the left)
Eriksen (left AM): Hazard, Sanchez, _______ (Silva and Martial are close, if Lamela had been on this side I could name loads)
Kane (striker): Aguero, Ibrahimovic, _______

You have a good squad but I'm not expecting anything amazing this season. I think it will be a tight race for 4th between Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs, West Ham, and Everton. Right now I think you'll finish 7th behind Liverpool, Arsenal, and West Ham.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
Oh voting is now the final arbiter of quality? Okay.

Of course you and your buddy are going to massively overrate your players. You two sound absolutely desperate for other teams fans to consider you top 4 material when you aren't this year. This year you will be in for a harsh surprise when your full backs are found out to be mediocre in the CL just like they were at the euros and Dele's purple patch evaporates and you struggle to even finish top 6 this year.
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You're utterly clueless so no point even debating any of your 'points'.
 
Dazzmondo said:
Alright. I'm not limiting it to teams competing for top 4. There are some standouts in lower teams so I'm considering them to be in contention. It's difficult to judge the partnership between Alderweireld and Vertonghen because I rate Toby highly while not rating Vertonghen at all. Kompany is the best cb in the league imo, then Alderweireld, Koscienly, Smalling, Van Dijk, etc (could name a lot better than Vertonghen) but as a partnership it's probably the best.

Lloris (GK): De Gea, Courtois, _____
Walker (RB): Bellerin, Azpilicueta, _______
Rose (LB): Shaw, Azpilicueta, Cresswell, Baines
Alderweireld & Vertonghen (CB partnership): _______
Dier & Dembele (CM pairing): Fernandinho & Gundogan, Xhaka & Ramsey, Carrick & Pogba, Matic & Kante
Alli (central AM): De Bruyne, Ozil, Payet, Coutinho
Lamela (right AM): Mkhitaryan, Mahrez, Nolito, Mane (the most talented wingers all seem to play on the left)
Eriksen (left AM): Hazard, Sanchez, _______ (Silva and Martial are close, if Lamela had been on this side I could name loads)
Kane (striker): Aguero, Ibrahimovic, _______

You have a good squad but I'm not expecting anything amazing this season. I think it will be a tight race for 4th between Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs, West Ham, and Everton. Right now I think you'll finish 7th behind Liverpool, Arsenal, and West Ham.
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Weird that Baines keeps getting mentioned. He looks well and truly past it after his injury and I don't see that changing at all. Good post overall, very reasonable. Definitely don't think we'll finish as low as 7th though.
 
We'veGotDeleAlli said:
Weird that Baines keeps getting mentioned. He looks well and truly past it after his injury and I don't see that changing at all.
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Every Everton defender was poor under Martinez so I don't think you can judge their defenders' performances properly under him. You might be right, but I could see him doing well again under Koeman.
 
We'veGotDeleAlli said:
You're utterly clueless so no point even debating any of your 'points'.
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Based on your posts it's clear you just massively overrate your own players because you are desperate to be recognized as a top team when you aren't. You are clearly enamored with Alli and thus can't rate him objectively. I hope youre still here in January when it will be clear how much you overrate alli. I think it's hilarious you even named yourself "wevegotdellealli" as if any other team cares
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
Oh voting is now the final arbiter of quality? Okay.

Of course you and your buddy are going to massively overrate your players. You two sound absolutely desperate for other teams fans to consider you top 4 material when you aren't this year. This year you will be in for a harsh surprise when your full backs are found out to be mediocre in the CL just like they were at the euros and Dele's purple patch evaporates and you struggle to even finish top 6 this year.
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I didn't say it was the final arbiter of quality, but obviously it's an important indicator: the views of professional footballers - the ones who actually have to play against each other - as distinct from the biased and often uninformed views of a random collection of fans. To deny this is wilfully perverse.

Nor do I think I'll be in for a "harsh surprise" concerning Walker and Rose this season: they are - and will be I'm sure this season - both top 4 quality wing-backs. The Euros are largely irrelevant, even aside from the widely-held view that Rose and Walker were amongst England's better performers.

Your post smacks of pure wishful thinking.
 
We'veGotDeleAlli said:
You're massively overrating your own players, of course you are. You've got 6 of them in the starting 11. Whenever it's a close call, you've gone with an Arsenal player because of your blatant bias.

Yeah, he is. Monreal is nowhere near as good as you're making out, he's solid defensively but offers little going forward. I wouldn't swap him for Rose at all, who was better for all of last season, hence why he made the team of the year over Monreal.

Sanchez is an acceptable pick, but you think he's been at a higher level because you're an Arsenal fan. There's barely anything between him and Hazard, but Hazard at his best is the superior player.

You're comparing Pogba..to Xhaka. Really? There's not even a comparison here. Pogba's one of the world's best midfielders, hence why he's in teams. Xhaka is a promising midfielder you've picked up. He's definitely not better than Matic (despite his poor season) and there's no way you can go for him over the likes of Kante or Dier who are proven in the league. Xhaka was no better in the Bundesliga than Dier in the Premier League, just because Xhaka has more passing ability doesn't make him a better player. Dier plays his position differently.

Putting Xhaka in a Premier League 11 already is beyond barmy.
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I can assure you I'm not overrating Arsenal's players but like I said I partly picked my side based on the consistency of the players performances across the last 18 months roughly and during that period Arsenal picked up more points than any team in the league therefore quite a few of their players should be included. If I picked a PL team for the last five years then it'd be difficult for me to select more than one Arsenal player to be honest.

I cant fathom how anybody who understands football sufficiently can say Rose has been better than Monreal in the last campaign. I think Rose is more equipped physically of course and he's a dangerous full back going forwards but too often he's been caught out defensively and his decision making isn't at the level of an elite defender.
Nacho is the more intelligent intuitive player, his passing is crisper than Roses, he's better defending, better in Aerial duels, a better crosser and has proven his quality in the champions league. I have no doubt a progressive manager like Pochetinno will see Rose hone his weaknesses to raise his game to the next level but up till now I think it's transparent that Monreal is the more competent player. Many players over the years have been selected for the PFA season team but didn't deserve it.

In the last eighteen months Alexis has been more consistent than Hazard, I don't think any football fan will disagree with me on that. Who else has been better than Sanchez from that position overall in the last 2 seasons in the premier league? At their best I think Hazard is a more skillful and silkier player than Alexis but Sanchez is the more efficient goalscorer and tends to act as a forward despite being positioned out wide.

Where did I compare Xhaka and Pogba? lol. I just said that Xhaka is my starting DM despite not playing a minute in this league because people were putting Pogba in their teams. Pogba is primarily a box-box midfielder with a knack for getting forward to contribute offensively whereas Granit operates in the DM position and likes to dictate the tempo of the game with his mixed passing range, vision and control. Its like comparing Gerrard to Alonso back in the day, both players have separate roles but are still elite.
In your opinion Matic and Dier are superior to Xhaka but I disagree strongly. In what skillset do either of them come out on top over Granit? Matic has been well below-par in the last season despite being given plenty of opportunities by Hiddink and Mourinho to regain his form but he's just regressed even more. Obviously Dier has a good head on his shoulders for one so young and has impressed in the DM position but his game is limited compared to the top deep lying midfielders, he passes the ball around well but the range of his passing and ability to control the midfield isn't on the level of a Busquets, Pirlo, Alonso, Xhaka, Modric etc.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
Based on your posts it's clear you just massively overrate your own players because you are desperate to be recognized as a top team when you aren't. You are clearly enamored with Alli and thus can't rate him objectively. I hope youre still here in January when it will be clear how much you overrate alli. I think it's hilarious you even named yourself "wevegotdellealli" as if any other team cares
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Says the man who has 6 Arsenal players in a Premier League XI and reckons Xhaka instantly starts despite not kicking a ball in the league :lol: :lol: :lol:

I don't give two fecks if we're recognised as a top team. I'd rather we weren't if anything so teams are complacent when they play us. It's funny though, according to you we're utter crap yet finished a solitary point behind you last season. You've added the clearly world class Xhaka (:lol:) and that's it, yet apparently you're this world away from us. The sheer hypocrisy of you, accusing me of being biased for thinking we can make the top 4, whereas you have most of the Arsenal team as the best players in the league.

You can accuse me of not being able to rate our players objectively, sure. Of course I'm biased, I'm a Tottenham fan. When you say Alli's form last season was just a 'purple patch' though, you're objectively incorrect. He was excellent all season long. Do you even know what a purple patch means? You're talking about a young talent that was excellent for his old club, joined Spurs and was excellent all season for us. What about that screams 'purple patch' to you? Before spreading your ignorance, go do some actual research instead of making blatant assumptions having not watched us aside from our games against you.

I find it hilarious you've named yourself 'oneniltothearsenal', as if anybody cares. What are you blabbering on about, seriously? It's a Spurs chant. Jesus christ.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I didn't say it was the final arbiter of quality, but obviously it's an important indicator: the views of professional footballers - the ones who actually have to play against each other - as distinct from the biased and often uninformed views of a random collection of fans. To deny this is wilfully perverse.

Nor do I think I'll be in for a "harsh surprise" concerning Walker and Rose this season: they are - and will be I'm sure this season - both top 4 quality wing-backs. The Euros are largely irrelevant, even aside from the widely-held view that Rose and Walker were amongst England's better performers.

Your post smacks of pure wishful thinking.
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You want to place a bet on which of our teams finishes higher this year? Loser has to stop posting here.

Surely with your confidence in how amazing your team is now you will easily finish above us yes?
 
Don't get the point anyway, Spurs are in and around 4th best in the a
PL generally, it's not unusual that they have players in the top 4 in their position in some positions. If we could name 8 players better than each one, they would probably be closer to 8th, give or take.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
You want to place a bet on which of our teams finishes higher this year? Loser has to stop posting here.

Surely with your confidence in how amazing your team is now you will easily finish above us yes?
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Except he's never called us 'amazing' and if you did any research whatsoever, you'd see earlier in this thread he predicted Arsenal to win the league.
 
We'veGotDeleAlli said:
Says the man who has 6 Arsenal players in a Premier League XI and reckons Xhaka instantly starts despite not kicking a ball in the league :lol: :lol: :lol:
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You can't even sort out who you are responding to (I never posted a premier League XI), not a good Indication of your observational abilities. Also your overuse of emotes shows you have probably only been watching footy for 5 years at most so I'm not surprised you overrate your current spurs team. Same bet I offered GlastonSpur is open to you as well since you are soo confident in your team
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
You want to place a bet on which of our teams finishes higher this year? Loser has to stop posting here.

Surely with your confidence in how amazing your team is now you will easily finish above us yes?
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Unlike you - in your silly assessment of Rose, Walker and Alli - I'm capable of much more fair and reasoned posting. Which is why, in case you missed it, I've tentatively predicted Arsenal to win the league this season, although I may change my final predictions between now and when the season is about to kick off.

Sadly for you, you're the type of poster who adds little or nothing to threads.
 
jelaiho said:
I can assure you I'm not overrating Arsenal's players but like I said I partly picked my side based on the consistency of the players performances across the last 18 months roughly and during that period Arsenal picked up more points than any team in the league therefore quite a few of their players should be included. If I picked a PL team for the last five years then it'd be difficult for me to select more than one Arsenal player to be honest.

I cant fathom how anybody who understands football sufficiently can say Rose has been better than Monreal in the last campaign. I think Rose is more equipped physically of course and he's a dangerous full back going forwards but too often he's been caught out defensively and his decision making isn't at the level of an elite defender.
Nacho is the more intelligent intuitive player, his passing is crisper than Roses, he's better defending, better in Aerial duels, a better crosser and has proven his quality in the champions league. I have no doubt a progressive manager like Pochetinno will see Rose hone his weaknesses to raise his game to the next level but up till now I think it's transparent that Monreal is the more competent player. Many players over the years have been selected for the PFA season team but didn't deserve it.

In the last eighteen months Alexis has been more consistent than Hazard, I don't think any football fan will disagree with me on that. Who else has been better than Sanchez from that position overall in the last 2 seasons in the premier league? At their best I think Hazard is a more skillful and silkier player than Alexis but Sanchez is the more efficient goalscorer and tends to act as a forward despite being positioned out wide.

Where did I compare Xhaka and Pogba? lol. I just said that Xhaka is my starting DM despite not playing a minute in this league because people were putting Pogba in their teams. Pogba is primarily a box-box midfielder with a knack for getting forward to contribute offensively whereas Granit operates in the DM position and likes to dictate the tempo of the game with his mixed passing range, vision and control. Its like comparing Gerrard to Alonso back in the day, both players have separate roles but are still elite.
In your opinion Matic and Dier are superior to Xhaka but I disagree strongly. In what skillset do either of them come out on top over Granit? Matic has been well below-par in the last season despite being given plenty of opportunities by Hiddink and Mourinho to regain his form but he's just regressed even more. Obviously Dier has a good head on his shoulders for one so young and has impressed in the DM position but his game is limited compared to the top deep lying midfielders, he passes the ball around well but the range of his passing and ability to control the midfield isn't on the level of a Busquets, Pirlo, Alonso, Xhaka, Modric etc.
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6 players in the starting 11 would imply that you're the dominant team in the league, and make up more than half of it's best players in their respective positions. Arsenal may have finished 2nd last season, but didn't even challenge for the league.

I can't fathom how actual footballers picked Rose as the best LB of last season then. You know, the men who actually have to face these players? The men who train to counter these players? They may - perhaps- have slightly more of a clue than us, so we should probably place a little weight on their votes. Basically, with all your 'he's better' points, you mean he's better defensively..which he is, except in our system our fullbacks are geared more to going forward than defending. Rose offers immeasurably going forward due to his speed, power and agility than Monreal and he's constantly a clear threat to the other team. We pin back teams due to the pace of Walker/Rose, it's crucial, and wouldn't be possible with a fullback like Monreal who is limited in his attacking play.

Hazard was better than Sanchez the season before last, and then had a poor season with a Chelsea side who collapsed. I think most people would still pick Hazard based on his ability, although as I already noted, it's quite reasonable to have Sanchez in there.

People are putting Pogba in their teams because he's potentially the best midfielder in the world outside of the few playing for Barcelona, Madrid and Bayern. He's in a completely different class to Xhaka, it's simply an absurd comparison. I wasn't comparing the two players, I was comparing their stature in world football, Pogba's is undeniably much higher and that's because he's a much better player.

In what skillset? Defensively. Matic was a colossus for Chelsea the season before last, again he had a poor season but the entire Chelsea side were dreadful. He was superb in that first season, a complete defensive midfield player. Dier isn't a deep-lying playmaker, so why are you judging him as one? He's a defensive midfielder, pure and simple. Whilst his ability on the ball is far from as poor as you make it out to be, it's his defensive work that he's there for. He's not trying to 'control' a midfield, he's trying to break up attacks then lay it off.

Xhaka's statistics in the Bundesliga are impressive, but let's wait and see what he does in the Premier League before putting him in a starting 11. He's far from a world class player who instantly slots in, he still has to prove he's capable of doing the same work in this league.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Unlike you - in your silly assessment of Rose, Walker and Alli - I'm capable of much more fair and reasoned posting. Which is why, in case you missed it, I've tentatively predicted Arsenal to win the league this season, although I may change my final predictions between now and when the season is about to kick off.

Sadly for you, you're the type of poster who adds little or nothing to threads.
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I think he's the second or third poster to label Alli's form last season a 'purple patch'. Apparently, this patch is one that extends throughout an entire season.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
You can't even sort out who you are responding to (I never posted a premier League XI), not a good Indication of your observational abilities. Also your overuse of emotes shows you have probably only been watching footy for 5 years at most so I'm not surprised you overrate your current spurs team. Same bet I offered GlastonSpur is open to you as well since you are soo confident in your team
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I got you and another Arsenal fan in this thread mixed up, admittedly. Mainly because you're both posting similar nonsense in which you overrate your own sides to unbelievable levels, than have the gall to accuse us of delusions for believing we have good enough players for the top 4.

Not sure what link my use of four emotes has to do with how long I've been watching football, but thanks for your observation. If I work on separating the Arsenal fans in this thread apart, will you work on actually watching our games before making sweeping statements about our players?

I don't care about your bet. I think Arsenal will finish ahead of us, I've never said anything different. Just because I rate some of our players, doesn't mean I think we're the best side in the league, or whatever other nonsense you want to pretend I've said just to try and make a point. I make you favourites for 3rd place, whereas we'll fight for a 4th spot.
 
balaks said:
This thread is kinda embarrassing tbh and I'm a Spurs fan.
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Finally a sane Spurs fan for the Caf. We have quality opposition supporters here in general, with the Spurs ones so far sticking out like a sore thumb.

I might be biased since you have Glaston though, the legendary accountant poultry farmer.
 
SwansonsTache said:
Finally a sane Spurs fan for the Caf. We have quality opposition supporters here in general, with the Spurs ones so far sticking out like a sore thumb.
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Yes, believing our own players are good enough for a top 4 is definitely insanity. I've seen this kind of statement bandied around a lot actually, and it basically translates to 'Finally a Spurs fan who accepts his place and doesn't argue the case for his own players' because it seems some of you can't stand the fact that we don't want to agree that our players are rubbish and our season was a complete fluke.
 
We'veGotDeleAlli said:
I think he's the second or third poster to label Alli's form last season a 'purple patch'. Apparently, this patch is one that extends throughout an entire season.
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Yep. It's like Kane's "purple patch" the season before last ... the one-season wonder was going to tank apparently. The same "purple patch" apparently applies to the whole Spurs team last season: we supposedly "over-performed" and most of the other top 4 contenders - as supposed in pre-season - apparently "under-performed".

Ah well, I suppose the fans of some of the other teams needed to have some sort of convenient excuse to cling to.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Yep. It's like Kane's "purple patch" the season before last ... the one-season wonder was going to tank apparently. The same "purple patch" apparently applies to the whole Spurs team last season: we supposedly "over-performed" and most of the other top 4 contenders - as supposed in pre-season - apparently "under-performed".

Ah well, I suppose the fans of some of the other teams needed to have some sort of convenient excuse to cling to.
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What I'm enjoying most is the fact that most posters would have (reasonably) Arsenal in their top 4 predictions, yet still have Tottenham well down in 7th or 8th. Despite the fact that we were superior to them for the majority of last season, and ended up only a solitary point behind. They'll justify these predictions with 'it's a more competitive season' yet this competitiveness is somehow going to impact Spurs a lot more than Arsenal, for some reason. We also have younger players, with a higher ceiling, but this also won't be taken in to account either.

It must be because of the sheer number of world class signings they've made. Oh, wait they've signed a couple of youth players and Xhaka, who I'm assuming must be the world's best midfield player.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Yep. It's like Kane's "purple patch" the season before last ... the one-season wonder was going to tank apparently. The same "purple patch" apparently applies to the whole Spurs team last season: we supposedly "over-performed" and most of the other top 4 contenders - as supposed in pre-season - apparently "under-performed".

Ah well, I suppose the fans of some of the other teams needed to have some sort of convenient excuse to cling to.
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After Kanes first amazing season, we were all a bit held back because players have shown one great season and then falled back into mediocrity before. Now though most people should(!) rightly rate him as one of the top 3-4 strikers in the league, with only Aguero as the one that is certainly in front, and Ibrahimovic who can show that he is in front, but we won't know until he's played a fair few games in the league.

I think purple patch is a wrong word for it, but people use it because it's the simplistic way of saying that they aren't sure of the quality is there to keep up the level.
 
Cant be arsed but Lloris, Vertongen & Dembele are the three players of quality currently. Ali has huge potential and Kane is hugely over rated, the manager is the real star in that side though, rate him hugely.
 
jesperjaap said:
Cant be arsed but Lloris, Vertongen & Dembele are the three players of quality currently. Ali has huge potential and Kane is hugely over rated, the manager is the real star in that side though, rate him hugely.
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How is Kane overrated?
 
jesperjaap said:
Cant be arsed but Lloris, Vertongen & Dembele are the three players of quality currently. Ali has huge potential and Kane is hugely over rated, the manager is the real star in that side though, rate him hugely.
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So...Kane, the league's top scorer and runner up of last season isn't a player of quality? Even if you, for some reason, think he's 'hugely overrated' you have to admit he's a quality player.
 
WhoDaGOAT said:
How is Kane overrated?
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Bad Euro's. No other rational explanation. Can't do anything more to prove himself in the Premier League, scores for fun with some excellent all round play and can't be accused of being a flat track bully either due to goals last season against nearly all of the top 4 contenders.
 
I think the approach of this thread is a bit silly, because it tells us next to nothing and it actually gives false impressions, because it weights the "well, maybe he's fourth best" the same as the standout best player.
Like for example Lamela, who I believe is utterly mediocre, but (barely) makes some peoples lists and suddenly get assigned the same value as let's say Mahrez.
 
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