Spurs XI: name 4 better Prem players in each position?

Lloris (GK): DDG, Cech, Courtois -> Just three
Walker (RB): Bellerin -> Just one
Rose (LB): Shaw, Azpilicueta
Alderweireld & Vertonghen (CB partnership): Smalling, Koscienly, Kompany
Dier & Dembele (CM pairing): Kante, Fernandinho, Carrick
Alli (central AM): Pogba, Fabregas, Silva, Ozil?
Lamela (right AM): Willian, Sanchez, KDB, Mkhitaryan
Eriksen (left AM): Martial, Hazard, Sane (cause this is for the left position, so am comparing these with LAM Eriksen)
Kane (striker): Aguero, Zlatan
 
The reason I find this entire thread an embarassment is not because I do not feel Spurs have a good team (I believe we have a very good team) - it's because this is a Man Utd forum and to put up a thread asking mostly Man Utd supporters to critique Spurs players in order to try and prove that Spurs players are better than most of the other top 4 sides doesnt sit well with me at all. I love Spurs and have supported them for over 30 years, we have a good team at the moment and I think most people would agree with that but when you do stuff like this on what is another team's forum you open yourself up for ridicule. We havent won anything for years remember, we may have a good team but why do you feel the need to try and get validation from other team's supporters who obviously will strongly favour players other than our own?

I just don't get it.

I didn't make the thread so I don't know why you're directing "do things like this" at me. I merely tried to debate within it.
 
I was talking generally but you would have been better off not debating within it. The thread was ridiculous.

Agreed there, I'm not involving myself in the debates in this thread from now on. Just a load of nonsense. It wasn't a good idea for a thread and as soon as I saw it I knew what would happen, but it's difficult to not want to try and defend your own players.
 
Agreed there, I'm not involving myself in the debates in this thread from now on. Just a load of nonsense. It wasn't a good idea for a thread and as soon as I saw it I knew what would happen, but it's difficult to not want to try and defend your own players.

Being reasonably new to this forum I have quickly picked up on the fact that certain Spurs fans here seem to be from another planet and are consistently making all Spurs fans look like deluded fools. That is what I object to, not another team's fans not rating my own Spurs players as highly as I do - that's just basic football stuff and to be expected.
 
Don't see the point in this thread, it's basically some convoluted concept designed just to make us aware that the team that finished third last season actually has some good players.

And the funny part is that Arsenal finished above them and aren't even rated.
 
Of course you're judging it off 'the last six months' - because that's the time frame that most suits you. If it was a season, or 2 seasons, you know that Arsenal players wouldn't stand up to it. You've adjusted the timeline to suit your agenda.

Stats will show me what? That you haven't come even remotely close to winning the league? I don't care if you've played well for periods of time, that doesn't justify 5 of your players (6 with a new arrival) getting in to a starting 11. Arsenal players play well when no pressure is on them, shock of the day winner. Looking good when there's little on the line is what a lot of your players do best, so you'll forgive me for not rushing to throw them in to a starting 11 on the basis of that.

Oh, so one outlying result renders the entire voting wrong? Look at the team of the year from last season, how many do you disagree with? Not many could argue with any of the positions, they're all justified. There's obviously some biases here and there, but the overall picture is generally quite fair.

Danny Rose excessively hyped up by the media? Didn't see a single story about him last season. He was rarely talked about, if anything he went under the radar despite being one of our most improved players. In what area does he trump Monreal? Actually being an attacking threat..maybe? Rose regularly shreds teams down the left hand side, he's absolutely rapid and has excellent dribbling ability. I wonder who an opposing team would be more frightened of? Anticipation, forward passing? Come on now. Rose opens up space for our attacking players in a way Monreal never could due to his physical limitations.

Hazard is a better player, that's all I'll say. His top level is higher than Sanchez's, he's up there next to Aguero as the two players who can just destroy you on their own.


As I have stated numerous times...people have selected Pogba because he is arguably a world class midfielder - up there with the likes of Kroos, Modric, Busquets, Vidal etc. I still don't agree with putting him in an 11 because he hasn't even played in the Premier League, but it's certainly more justifiable than putting Xhaka in there, who most people hadn't even heard of before last season. At the end of this you seem to actually put Xhaka up there as a footballer on par with Pogba, seriously? It's like me comparing Alli to Pogba.

No chance Xhaka is 'better in the air' than Dier or Matic. No chance. You're commenting on players performances from 18 months back, but another 6 months is too much for you? I'm basing it on players top level, if we're doing this purely on form it'd be a very different starting 11. Matic has proven himself in his first season at Chelsea as a brilliant DM, even the likes of Hazard looked dreadful last season. Xhaka has never proven himself in the Premier League, not once. He's also incredibly rash with an awful red card record, so let's see how he does in a physical Prem, when he's constantly being niggled at and wound up.

Yes, there is though. Because he's never even done it in the Prem. Honestly, only an Arsenal fan would put Xhaka in a Premier League XI, it's ridiculous. The guy wasn't even shortlisted for the Bundesliga Team of the Season for god sake. Dahoud, Vidal, Gundogan and Baumgartlinger were all ahead of him. Utterly preposterous to immediately stick him in a best 11 for the Premier League.

The best time frame to thoroughly measure the quality and consistency of a player is always 18 months as its neither too short or long a period of football to assess what level somebody's at.
I'm an objective football fan that judges fairly all factors of the game and in no way am I biased towards Arsenal but the fact is they've been the most consistent team in the premier league over the last 18 months therefore I'm going to select the countries best players in this time. Agenda? Are you absolutely bonkers?

Actually you know what, your a Tottenham supporter and the one thing you all have in common is stupidity so I'm not going to continue this argument if your unwilling to be receptive in debate. If anyone has an agenda on this Man Utd fans forum going by the various threads its Spurs supporters. Quite embarrassing to be honest.
 
The best time frame to thoroughly measure the quality and consistency of a player is always 18 months as its neither too short or long a period of football to assess what level somebody's at.
I'm an objective football fan that judges fairly all factors of the game and in no way am I biased towards Arsenal but the fact is they've been the most consistent team in the premier league over the last 18 months therefore I'm going to select the countries best players in this time. Agenda? Are you absolutely bonkers?

Actually you know what, your a Tottenham supporter and the one thing you all have in common is stupidity so I'm not going to continue this argument if your unwilling to be receptive in debate. If anyone has an agenda on this Man Utd fans forum going by the various threads its Spurs supporters. Quite embarrassing to be honest.

Can I assure you we are not all like this - most Spurs fan I know would be embarrassed at some of the nonsense spouted by some of the Spurs fans in this forum.
 
The best time frame to thoroughly measure the quality and consistency of a player is always 18 months as its neither too short or long a period of football to assess what level somebody's at.
I'm an objective football fan that judges fairly all factors of the game and in no way am I biased towards Arsenal but the fact is they've been the most consistent team in the premier league over the last 18 months therefore I'm going to select the countries best players in this time. Agenda? Are you absolutely bonkers?

Actually you know what, your a Tottenham supporter and the one thing you all have in common is stupidity so I'm not going to continue this argument if your unwilling to be receptive in debate. If anyone has an agenda on this Man Utd fans forum going by the various threads its Spurs supporters. Quite embarrassing to be honest.

:lol: I've literally debated with you and you're calling me stupid because I disagree with you. You think 6 Arsenal fans in a Premier League 11 is unbiased, that's the embarrassing thing here.
 
Can I assure you we are not all like this - most Spurs fan I know would be embarrassed at some of the nonsense spouted by some of the Spurs fans in this forum.

Before crawling up his arse as well, why don't you actually read what he said? He thinks a Premier League 11 would feature 6 Arsenal players, 1 of which is Xhaka despite not making a single appearance in the league. The only one spouting nonsense is him.
 
Before crawling up his arse as well, why don't you actually read what he said? He thinks a Premier League 11 would feature 6 Arsenal players, 1 of which is Xhaka despite not making a single appearance in the league. The only one spouting nonsense is him.
If Messi comes into the league tomorrow, would you wait for him to "prove" in the PL before picking him above Kane? I am not saying Xhaka would be above Dier/Dembele but that logic of not picking a player because they are new to the PL is a bit silly. It's not like they have just fallen off a tree yesterday.
 
If Messi comes into the league tomorrow, would you wait for him to "prove" in the PL before picking him above Kane? I am not saying Xhaka would be above Dier/Dembele but that logic of not picking a player because they are new to the PL is a bit silly. It's not like they have just fallen off a tree yesterday.

As I've already said, there's exceptions for players who are clearly world class or have proven themselves to be quality at any level (Champions League proven players)

Anybody else, you can't stick them immediately in to a Premier League 11. It's folly. It's not even about Dier/Dembele, there's plenty of midfielders ahead of Xhaka until he shows he can do it in the Premier League. He wasn't even shortlisted as one of the best midfielders in the Bundesliga last season, putting him automatically in to a Premier League 11 is madness.
 
Before crawling up his arse as well, why don't you actually read what he said? He thinks a Premier League 11 would feature 6 Arsenal players, 1 of which is Xhaka despite not making a single appearance in the league. The only one spouting nonsense is him.

He is making the argument that there should be several Arsenal players in a Premier League 11 which is completely fair enough as they consistently finish in top 3/4 and above Spurs also. The point about Xhaka is obviously correct as he shouldn't be included in any list as you said. I just do not know why you bother getting so worked up about it.
 
He is making the argument that there should be several Arsenal players in a Premier League 11 which is completely fair enough as they consistently finish in top 3/4 and above Spurs also. The point about Xhaka is obviously correct as he shouldn't be included in any list as you said.


6. Not several. 6.

A few would be fair enough, I'd have no issue with that.
 
De Gea
Bellerin Koscielny Ardeweirld Monreal
Kante Xhaka
Aguero Ozil Alexis
Kane

That's the team that jelaiho reckons is the best starting 11 the league has to offer.
 
So what? That's his opinion. This is utterly pointless.

Yeah, ok. You blast your fellow Spurs fans for "spouting nonsense" and being delusional, but then you find it perfectly acceptable to have 6 Arsenal players in a starting 11, because I'm sure if a Spurs fan had said something even remotely similar he wouldn't be criticised.

Seriously.
 
If Messi comes into the league tomorrow, would you wait for him to "prove" in the PL before picking him above Kane? I am not saying Xhaka would be above Dier/Dembele but that logic of not picking a player because they are new to the PL is a bit silly. It's not like they have just fallen off a tree yesterday.

As good as Xhaka, Dier and Dembele might be.. none of them have matched what Matic achieved in the title winning season for Chelsea. Xhaka is hardly a proven footballer at the very highest level, he's a solid talent but putting him in the EPL best XI is a tad early doors.
 
As I've already said, there's exceptions for players who are clearly world class or have proven themselves to be quality at any level (Champions League proven players)

Anybody else, you can't stick them immediately in to a Premier League 11. It's folly. It's not even about Dier/Dembele, there's plenty of midfielders ahead of Xhaka until he shows he can do it in the Premier League. He wasn't even shortlisted as one of the best midfielders in the Bundesliga last season, putting him automatically in to a Premier League 11 is madness.
Oh. I thought he just compiled a Spurs-Arsenal 11. My bad.
 
As good as Xhaka, Dier and Dembele might be.. none of them have matched what Matic achieved in the title winning season for Chelsea. Xhaka is hardly a proven footballer at the very highest level, he's a solid talent but putting him in the EPL best XI is a tad early doors.
Yeah, my mistake. I assumed he was only compiling a Spurs-Arsenal 11.
 
Yeah, ok. You blast your fellow Spurs fans for "spouting nonsense" and being delusional, but then you find it perfectly acceptable to have 6 Arsenal players in a starting 11, because I'm sure if a Spurs fan had said something even remotely similar he wouldn't be criticised.

Seriously.

I do not care if an Arsenal fan wants to make ridiculously biased statements on a forum because that reflects on them. Let them make all the crazy statements they want, then they look like the fools not us.
 
De Gea
Bellerin Koscielny Ardeweirld Monreal
Kante Xhaka
Aguero Ozil Alexis
Kane

That's the team that jelaiho reckons is the best starting 11 the league has to offer.
Smalling ahead of Koscielny. Pogba ahead of Xhaka. Alexis and Martial are touch and go.
 
I do not care if an Arsenal fan wants to make ridiculously biased statements on a forum because that reflects on them. Let them make all the crazy statements they want, then they look like the fools not us.

Then don't accuse me of spouting nonsense when all I was doing was arguing against the inclusion of 6 players.
 
Smalling ahead of Koscielny. Pogba ahead of Xhaka. Alexis and Martial are touch and go.

Nah, hasn't earned that at all yet, not in my opinion. It's Hazard for that spot, still. Don't care that he had one poor season with the rest of that Chelsea side, he's still easily in the top 3 players in the league for me. (Aguero, De Gea, Hazard)
 
Then don't accuse me of spouting nonsense when all I was doing was arguing against the inclusion of 6 players.

Did I mention you by name? Why are you getting defensive? You do not think there are some Spurs fans on this forum that make us all look like balloons? That's fair enough but I do.
 
I cannot believe he feels 6 Arsenal players should get into the PL starting XI. Incredible.

His argument being that they've been the best side over 18 months.

Ignoring the fact that within that 18 month period, whenever they've come close to being the top team in the league, they have completely messed up and ended up nowhere near the title.
 
De Gea
Bellerin Koscielny Ardeweirld Monreal
Kante Xhaka
Aguero Ozil Alexis
Kane

That's the team that jelaiho reckons is the best starting 11 the league has to offer.

On the last 18 months, that team makes more sense:

--------------De Gea----------
Walker-Smalling*-Alderweireld-Rose
----------Kante-Cazorla
De Bruyne----Ozil-----Martial
------------- Kane*

* Kompany and Aguero are better but they aren't fit enough.
 
Nah, hasn't earned that at all yet, not in my opinion. It's Hazard for that spot, still. Don't care that he had one poor season with the rest of that Chelsea side, he's still easily in the top 3 players in the league for me. (Aguero, De Gea, Hazard)
I agree. Actually completely forgot about him. However, his output is relatively poor so he really needs to up his game this season,
 
His argument being that they've been the best side over 18 months.

Ignoring the fact that within that 18 month period, whenever they've come close to being the top team in the league, they have completely messed up and ended up nowhere near the title.
Well, they haven't been the 'best side' over the last 18 months. It has been Leicester.
 
Did I mention you by name? Why are you getting defensive? You do not think there are some Spurs fans on this forum that make us all look like balloons? That's fair enough but I do.

You replied to a comment directed at me, so I just assumed you were including me in that group.

I don't disagree with you entirely, but I don't think the Spurs fans on this forum are quite as bad as people make out. Glaston is hailed as the most delusional yet has stated numerous times that he only believes we'll finish top 4, a reasonable prediction. Who else is there?
 
You replied to a comment directed at me, so I just assumed you were including me in that group.

I don't disagree with you entirely, but I don't think the Spurs fans on this forum are quite as bad as people make out. Glaston is hailed as the most delusional yet has stated numerous times that he only believes we'll finish top 4, a reasonable prediction. Who else is there?
Glaston has a history of trying to WUM. So even his genuine optimism is now taken with a pinch of salt.
 
Anyway, I said I'd get out of this thread because as @balaks said, it was always going to end up as a clusterfeck. Nobody wants to talk about how good our players are in a long thread and it was always going to look like we were just trying to convince people of how good we are. Let's just allow the talking to be done on the field.

Won't be replying in this thread now.
 
There is little value in doing this, because 4 of Spur's direct rivals for top 4 are undergoing vast changes. Under Conte, Kante/Fabregas/Mata can be a revelation. Under Mourinho, Zlatan might annihilate the league and under Pep the entire ethos is changing so anything can happen there.

Yeah, last year you obviously can't name 4 better players in each position. This year is too much of a black box to guess anything on. Personally, I think Spurs had their chance last year. They won't be that close this year even remotely. I actually like Spurs but the big managers are here now and they're spending.
 
Loris - DDG, Courtious (3rd)
Walker - Bellerin, Azpi, Clyne, Coleman (3rd/4th)
CB Pairing - Smalling-Bailly (2nd)
LB - Shaw, Clichy, Kolarov, Monreal (3rd/4th)
DM - Kante (2nd)
CM - Cazorla, Gundogan (3rd)
CAM - Pogba, Silva, Coutinho, KDB (5th)
RW - Mahrez, Mkhitaryan, Sanchez, Willian (5th)
LW- Martial, Hazard, Vardy, Payet (5th)
CF - Aguero, Costa, Zlatan (3rd/4th)

I'd say Spurs have a pretty solid well rounded squad but definitely not title challenging material. It will be top 4 or thereabouts and I still expect more signings by their competitors. Dier and Delle Alli can develop even further and Kane could outperform Zlatan as he is young and proven at this level. I just think their wings are average and full back positions outperformed themselves last year
 
De Gea
Bellerin Koscielny Ardeweirld Monreal
Kante Xhaka
Aguero Ozil Alexis
Kane

That's the team that jelaiho reckons is the best starting 11 the league has to offer.

To be fair, there is only Xhaka there who is silly, while Monreal is a bit dubious. Bellerin, Koscielny, Ozil and Sanchez would make appearances in a lot of people's Premier League XI. Everyone is obviously going to favour their own side.
 
On the last 18 months, that team makes more sense:

--------------De Gea----------
Walker-Smalling*-Alderweireld-Rose
----------Kante-Cazorla
De Bruyne----Ozil-----Martial
------------- Kane*

* Kompany and Aguero are better but they aren't fit enough.
Martial, Walker & Cazorla :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: