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Spurs XI: name 4 better Prem players in each position?
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Not at all, have always thought it and no cant dispute his goalscoring record. Personally I think Sturridge and Vardy are both better strikers than him in the England team let alone naming others in the premiership, and Rashford will be too. I have heard people calling him the new Shearer or a cross between Sheringham and Shearer, get out of here he isnt anywhere near the ability of either.
I just think he is a really average striker in all areas bar hitting the target in and around the box which granted is an important one. I wasnt in the least bit surprised he had a stinker at the Euros.
I saw an interview with Tim SHerwood saying he and Les Ferdinand or CLive Allen cant remember which both thought he wouol develop into a top striker for a mid table team not at Spurs and were both shocked how far he had come on.
He has done very well for you and his record so far is excellent, I was surprised how well he did in his second season considering how awfully he started. But no personal opinion I dont think he will ever get anywhere near world class or develop any further than where he is at, in fact I think he will go slightly backwards. He has done it for just two seasons, so he has plently more to prove.
You talk about being average in every area apart from the penalty box and then you cite Vardy as an example of a player who you think is better. A man who was invisible at the Euro's because he is only good if you're playing him through on goal. He's a far more limited striker than Kane. As for Sturridge, he's a classy striker but his injuries have cost him some pace and it's up in the air whether he will ever properly be free of them again.
Rashford will be too? Come on. This is ridiculous. The boy has had one good half a season, yet you're declaring him a sure thing, but think Kane has plenty more to prove? A striker who has had two 20+ goalscoring seasons back to back?
People call him the new Shearer because of his goalscoring ability. I feel like you've only ever watched him for England and maybe the United vs Tottenham games, because the picture you're painting of Kane is grossly inaccurate. He's 23 years old and you're criticising him for not being this complete player, it's incredibly harsh.
So he's exceeded expectations, therefore that should have been his true level? I don't know what you're getting at here. To me that just proves he has the right attitude, to work harder, to prove himself better than people thought he was. He had some horrible loan spells yet came back from it. That's a winning mentality.
Anywhere near world class? Come on. Some of the world's best strikers in their prime aren't averaging that many more goals than him despite playing in much better sides. Incredibly harsh words, and I notice you've provided nothing to justify them. Just seems to me you have a personal dislike for the player, I imagine you were one of those saying he was a one season wonder?
The way you describe him, it's like you're talking about Icardi or a poor man's Inzaghi. He's actually very good on the ball, a lot of praise was levelled his way for it after his breakout season. He's not some poacher who doesn't get involved in the build up, he's actually played a deeper role as a 10 because he is more than capable of it due to his ability on the ball. He's a bit awkward in his style, but that's about it.
Look at his goals against Arsenal or Chelsea the season before if you need further evidence of his quality. He's not reliant on service either, because we barely provided any of it in his first season and he still delivered. Many of his goals he creates himself, he's brilliant at finding space to get a shot off. I don't see how anybody could still think he's not one of the league's best strikers, he has has scored for fun for 2 seasons in a row now and still has doubters, yet somebody like Rashford after a decent half season is a certainty to you.
Even just considering United I'd say -
Lloris (GK): De Gea is better
Walker (RB): Valencia is just as good
Rose (LB): Shaw is better
Alderweireld & Vertonghen (CB partnership): Alderweireld is the best of the lot but I'd say Smalling is better and Bailly/Blind are at least as good as Vertonghen
Dier & Dembele (CM pairing): definitely better in this area though I think if Schniederlin and Herrera reach their potential it could be close
Alli (central AM): assuming Pogba plays here I'd definitely take him over Alli though Alli does look very good
Lamela (right AM): just don't think he's very good at all, genuinely would rather have Lingard and I'd assume Mkhi will be better than him as well but that's hard to say without him playing yet in the EPL
Eriksen (left AM): He's very good but I'd say Martial is just as good with potential to be better - certainly wouldn't want to swap the two though I suspect a Spurs fan would feel the same
Kane (striker): in the long run Kane is obviously the better option but in terms of next season alone I don't see there being any difference between him and Ibra
Basically, you have the best center back and a better center mid combo and the rest is fairly similar or we have the better option.
To me, players like Walker, Rose, Lamela, Vertoghen just aren't good enough and your bench players aren't up to much either. We have players like that as well though, I think overall out squads are fairly even.
Lloris (GK): De Gea is better
Walker (RB): Valencia is just as good
Rose (LB): Shaw is better
Alderweireld & Vertonghen (CB partnership): Alderweireld is the best of the lot but I'd say Smalling is better and Bailly/Blind are at least as good as Vertonghen
Dier & Dembele (CM pairing): definitely better in this area though I think if Schniederlin and Herrera reach their potential it could be close
Alli (central AM): assuming Pogba plays here I'd definitely take him over Alli though Alli does look very good
Lamela (right AM): just don't think he's very good at all, genuinely would rather have Lingard and I'd assume Mkhi will be better than him as well but that's hard to say without him playing yet in the EPL
Eriksen (left AM): He's very good but I'd say Martial is just as good with potential to be better - certainly wouldn't want to swap the two though I suspect a Spurs fan would feel the same
Kane (striker): in the long run Kane is obviously the better option but in terms of next season alone I don't see there being any difference between him and Ibra
Basically, you have the best center back and a better center mid combo and the rest is fairly similar or we have the better option.
To me, players like Walker, Rose, Lamela, Vertoghen just aren't good enough and your bench players aren't up to much either. We have players like that as well though, I think overall out squads are fairly even.
Reasonable post, but I don't see how Rose (who was one of our best performers from last season) isn't good enough. Lamela was also very good last season and had a very decent return in terms of goals and assists whilst adding excellent defensive work rate and tenacity. Not sure how on earth Lingard is a preferable option. Walker is decent, sure he's far from perfect and quite error prone, but the only right back I'd swap him for in the league is Bellerin. Not many good ones around.
Vertonghen is also definitely good enough and an excellent partner for Alderweireld. Not an exceptional defender by any means, but more than capable and excellent in possession. There's a reason that partnership flourishes, it's not just down to Alderweireld.
Also completely disagree that Smalling is better than Alderweireld, although it depends on what you want from your defender I suppose. Smalling has excellent defensive attributes, but his ability on the ball is very questionable, not to mention the fact that despite an excellent first half to the season his level dropped in the second half. Alderweireld maintained his until arguably the last few games, in which our entire team seemingly gave up.
I'd also argue that Alderweireld was better for Southampton than Smalling in the season prior to this, so that's two seasons in a row he's outperformed him.
Sorry, I meant Smalling was better than Vertoghen. I think Alderweireld is the best of the lot but I think Vertoghen is probably the worst. I think as a pairing we're probably equal and then throw in Shaw and DDG and we probably just about have the better defense.
I could definitely be wrong about Rose and Lamela, it's not like I watch every Spurs game but I do watch when I can as I like Spurs quite a bit. Lamela has never impressed me when I've watched Spurs though and I know Rose was good last season but if Shaw can stay fit I don't think it will be much of a competition to who's the better player.
I agree with Walker as well I guess, but that's basically just because there are no real standouts in the league at the moment aside from Bellerin. But like I said, I wouldn't even take him over Valencia (who isn't good enough either to be fair).
Oh, fair enough!
I wouldn't swap Vertonghen for Bailly (for now)...Blind's a difficult one, I actually really rate him. I think they're quite even. Your defence is solid so I have no issues with that, I also rate Shaw highly (especially defensively, though I think he has work to do on his offensive game) and DDG is a phenomenon.
You see, I use to criticise Rose heavily, but last season he really was excellent. His defensive game came on leaps and bounds, and going forward he was always a threat. Definitely deserving of that place in the team of the year. We'll see if he can replicate that form though, but I don't think it was a fluke because he's been steadily getting better over the last couple of seasons.
Lamela...honestly, our fans have really warmed to him recently. I feel like he's still being judged on his form when he arrived. He's not the 'star' we envisaged him being, but he's a really important player for the team, and in the big games last season he really flourished due to his energy. He's getting better & better, second half of the season he really came in to his own and I'm excited to see him next season.
Walker is good enough in our system. We play with wing backs to give us the width (we don't play with wingers) so Rose + Walker really are crucial. When he's bombarding down the right, he's very much an important player to us. The thing is in lists like this, they don't take in to account who would be better in which system. For example, people mention Azpilicueta, but absolutely no chance he'd be better suited to us than Walker or Rose.
Thanks for being reasonable by the way, seems a lot of people have come in to this thread and assumed we're all bigging up our team as title winners, but we're really not. I agree this thread was maybe not a good idea, but a lot of what has said in it has been far from 'delusional' or whatever else we've been accused of. Just trying to defend our players against some pretty blatant ignorance at times - (Elmohamady is better than Lamela, Schlupp better than Rose etc) that's all.
As I mentioned in my previous over the last 18 months is the timescale in which I'm measuring the players performances to justify there selection in my team. Why do you choose to ignore this?
I did not once say we were the most dominant team in the league or contested for the title last season. Stats however will show you that we've been the league's best team consistently over the last 18-20 months so therefore its plausible to have more Arsenal players over any other teams players.
A few years ago Ryan Giggs was insanely voted player of the year when it was totally undeserved thus that shows how feeble the PFA voting system has always been when determining who the better players are.
It's also been revealed that because players cannot select their own teammates for these awards they vote for any random player over voting for players that'd strongly rival their teammates. For example John Terry voted for Coutinho Over Kane to win player of the year 2 seasons ago because he knew that Kane was a stronger contender with Hazard for the award. Another reason why this is a flawed way of measuring a players ability is because many players like Danny Rose are excessively hyped up through the media therefore they get voted purely because of this.
Monreal isn't just better defensively but because of what he contributes overall he's been a more complete proficient left back than anyone else in this league. I'll concede last season from january Rose truly was the better performer and like you say he alongside Walker were essential components for Pochetinnos game plan to fully materialize which will only improve in the upcoming seasons if theirs stability at your club. But as it stands now apart from his athleticism what other area does Rose trump Monreal in attack? In terms of intelligence, link up play, crossing, anticipation and forward passing Nacho is on a different level mate.
On the whole you have your opinion and I have mine, its only a game and this match up between Rose and Monreal demonstrates the contrast in playing style between the two teams.
Hazard was slightly better than Alexis in 2014-15 despite producing less numbers in terms of goals and assists and having all of Chelsea's best players supporting him throughout that season whereas Sanchez had to do it alone when Giroud, Ozil, Ramsey, Koscielny and Walcott were all injured for half that campaign.
If I had to honestly choose between the two at their best I'd just pick Hazard as his dribbling skills, trickery and final ball are phenomenal. But over the last 2 years of football Sanchez has been a better more consistent player hence why he's in my team.
Ok well then don't criticize me for selecting Xhaka because he's not played in this league when people are including Pogba regardless of his potential. Again I ask where have I compared them? I said they're ultimately different midfielders delegated to perform contrasting roles for their teams as Granit is vital in the first phase of attack and Pogba is a more complete box-box player who likes to get forwards. Stature in football can be misleading as to deciding who the best players are as some are talked up more than others. Pires, Giggs and Figo were all better footballers than David Beckham yet he had a bigger reputation.
What defensive aspect exactly are Matic and Dier more advanced than Xhaka? From what I've seen of all three players over the last 18 months Dier is slightly the best at making blocks and tackles but Xhaka is better in the air, intercepting and both players are secure when shielding there defence so its a balanced comparison but Xhaka's technique, awareness and passing puts him above Dier, a player I rate, and the league's other DMs. I'm not even considering Matic in the argument anymore because he has been Chelsea's worse player since their decline and a big reason why they concede so many sloppy goals. I don't know why you comment on his performances from 24 months back.
The only position that I'd change in the team I opted for would be the Pogba over Kante in the box to box role but there isn't a DM better than Xhaka in England currently.
Of course you're judging it off 'the last six months' - because that's the time frame that most suits you. If it was a season, or 2 seasons, you know that Arsenal players wouldn't stand up to it. You've adjusted the timeline to suit your agenda.
Stats will show me what? That you haven't come even remotely close to winning the league? I don't care if you've played well for periods of time, that doesn't justify 5 of your players (6 with a new arrival) getting in to a starting 11. Arsenal players play well when no pressure is on them, shock of the day winner. Looking good when there's little on the line is what a lot of your players do best, so you'll forgive me for not rushing to throw them in to a starting 11 on the basis of that.
Oh, so one outlying result renders the entire voting wrong? Look at the team of the year from last season, how many do you disagree with? Not many could argue with any of the positions, they're all justified. There's obviously some biases here and there, but the overall picture is generally quite fair.
Danny Rose excessively hyped up by the media? Didn't see a single story about him last season. He was rarely talked about, if anything he went under the radar despite being one of our most improved players. In what area does he trump Monreal? Actually being an attacking threat..maybe? Rose regularly shreds teams down the left hand side, he's absolutely rapid and has excellent dribbling ability. I wonder who an opposing team would be more frightened of? Anticipation, forward passing? Come on now. Rose opens up space for our attacking players in a way Monreal never could due to his physical limitations.
Hazard is a better player, that's all I'll say. His top level is higher than Sanchez's, he's up there next to Aguero as the two players who can just destroy you on their own.
As I have stated numerous times...people have selected Pogba because he is arguably a world class midfielder - up there with the likes of Kroos, Modric, Busquets, Vidal etc. I still don't agree with putting him in an 11 because he hasn't even played in the Premier League, but it's certainly more justifiable than putting Xhaka in there, who most people hadn't even heard of before last season. At the end of this you seem to actually put Xhaka up there as a footballer on par with Pogba, seriously? It's like me comparing Alli to Pogba.
No chance Xhaka is 'better in the air' than Dier or Matic. No chance. You're commenting on players performances from 18 months back, but another 6 months is too much for you? I'm basing it on players top level, if we're doing this purely on form it'd be a very different starting 11. Matic has proven himself in his first season at Chelsea as a brilliant DM, even the likes of Hazard looked dreadful last season. Xhaka has never proven himself in the Premier League, not once. He's also incredibly rash with an awful red card record, so let's see how he does in a physical Prem, when he's constantly being niggled at and wound up.
Yes, there is though. Because he's never even done it in the Prem. Honestly, only an Arsenal fan would put Xhaka in a Premier League XI, it's ridiculous. The guy wasn't even shortlisted for the Bundesliga Team of the Season for god sake. Dahoud, Vidal, Gundogan and Baumgartlinger were all ahead of him. Utterly preposterous to immediately stick him in a best 11 for the Premier League.
"I feel like you've only ever watched him for England and maybe the United vs Tottenham games, because the picture you're painting of Kane is grossly inaccurate" Ive seen plenty of him thanks, and the picture I am painting of him is simply my opinion. But I find it funny you say this and then compare Vardy by talking about England in the Euros (Vardy actually scored by the way, as did Sturridge)
23 isnt that young for a striker at all, just look at where Shearer, Owen and Rooney were at that age for example in there careers. And no I dont think Rashford is a sure thing at all, I do however think his potential ability is far superior to Kanes.
For you to declare Kane world class and compare him to Alan Shearer after two seasons is far more ridiculous than being excited about the potential of Rashford after one. But I guess such comments about possibly the best English striker we have had in my lifetime and Kane after two years in a very poor premiership emphasises the opinion I declared in the first place, from you at least.....Kane is over rated
23 isnt that young for a striker at all, just look at where Shearer, Owen and Rooney were at that age for example in there careers. And no I dont think Rashford is a sure thing at all, I do however think his potential ability is far superior to Kanes.
For you to declare Kane world class and compare him to Alan Shearer after two seasons is far more ridiculous than being excited about the potential of Rashford after one. But I guess such comments about possibly the best English striker we have had in my lifetime and Kane after two years in a very poor premiership emphasises the opinion I declared in the first place, from you at least.....Kane is over rated
He scored when it bounced to his feet when he was offside, then proceeded to be invisible for the rest of the tournament. I'm not going to deny Kane was poor during the Euro's, but so were other, genuinely world-class strikers.
Look where they were? Back to back Premier League 20+ scorers were they? You act like Kane has done feck all, and it's really grating. He's done incredibly well. As for his 'potential ability' being 'far superior' to Kane, go say that anywhere other than a United forum and get laughed at. Ridiculous notion. Kane is already one of the league's top strikers at 23, but you think Rashford can be far superior to his top level?
I didn't declare him world class, I dismissed the notion that he's not even remotely close to it. If he has a couple more 20+ seasons he'll certainly be banging on the door, you can't ask for anything more from your striker. Nor did I compare him with Alan Shearer, I said the comparisons OTHERS have made with him are because they both scored bucket loads of goals. Kane in a very poor Premiership? Please. The top 2-3 teams may be weaker, but it's far more competitive below that.
You can think Kane's overrated, whatever, that's your opinion. This nonsense about Rashford having "far more potential" than him just because he's a United player and a flashier dribbler is just ridiculous though. The way you dismiss him is insane too, you seem to think every English striker is better than him yet somehow they score less goals. Comparing him to Vardy who's done it for one season compared to Kane's 2 is silly, let alone Rashford who's scored a grand total of 5 Premier League goals.
Keep acting like Kane is some average striker despite scoring 46 league goals in 2 seasons though.
FFS. Kane has just scored 59 goals in 2 seasons - FIFTY NINE - and won the Golden Boot.
There is zero justification for your ridiculous statement.
Can you even imagine if the situations were reversed and either of us made a similar claim? Or one similar to saying Lingard is better than Lamela? Would be about 1000 people in here calling us delusional.
It's like I said earlier in this thread, so many of United's players are hailed by their fans as "world class" or a "world class" prospect as soon as they sign or emerge into the senior squad
This Rashford claim is just the latest in a long line (it wasn't so long ago that Januzaj was similarly lauded) ... and then reality bites.
Eh?, Kane may end up being the better goal scorer (which is what a striker should be doing to be fair) but in terms of overall ability, Rashford is miles ahead of Kane. And i'm not saying that because of bias because when we were linked to Kane a year ago, i didn't want him and said many times on here.
Such a random Thread.
Spurs will finish in the top 4 if their talented squad maintains a high level all season.
Personally, I think you peaked last season.
The simple fact is, you don't have anything approaching a world class player.
Sanchez, Ozil, Hazard, Mahrez, Aguero, De Bruyne, De Gea, Pogba, Ibra, Martial would all walk into your side, no questions asked. You simply can't attract players of that calibre and even if they wanted to come, you don't have the money for the transfer fee or wages.
Looking beyond top absolute top drawer game changing players; Kante, Matic, Costa, Cazorla, Ramsay, Koscielny, Bellerin, Xhaka, Fabregas, Oscar, Pedro, Azpilicueta, Coutinho, Sturridge, Mane, Gundogan, Firminho, Clichy, Silva, Sane, Sterling, Valencia, Shaw, Miki, Mata would all be upgrades on what you have, for the most part.
Poch has got you playing good football, I wanted you to win the league last year. But you didn't. You finished below Arsenal. Again. You're going to have to repeat what you did last year and at all those points where you needed a big game player to make the difference, you'll do what? Just hope for some luck?
I guess my point is; If you win the league this year it wont be because you're better, player for player. It will mean you, as with Leicester this year, have the best team across 38 games.
With all that said, I know your post was in reference to finishing in the top 4. I hope you finish there, I really do. I think Chelsea, City and United will fight for the league and you're in a scrap with Arsenal for 4th and we all know how that always ends
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A stupid pointless thread was bound to attract some very odd posts, but there's some absolute stinkers on this page.
What does this even mean for god sake? Just because a player looks flashier and more energetic, doesn't make him the better player. Rashford isn't miles ahead of Kane in any respect, in fact the opposite is true. My god, people demanded Kane provide the goods for 2 full seasons before he was proven, but Rashford is hailed as god's gift after 5 league goals?
It's the sort of stuff you lot would be laughing at if the boot was on the other foot.
Agree that the thread was a bad idea, I understand where Glaston was coming from but it was always going to end badly.
Rashford over Kane?! That's a shocker. How about we wait until Rashford has played for half a season in the first team before picking him over the Golden Boot winner?
Well i dissagree, and just remember you are on a Utd forum, there will be some bias.
I'm getting a bit sick of rival fans getting a chip on their shoulders whenever their team does someting ok. I prefer to do the talking on the pitch and when we finish miles ahead of you lot this season, hopefully it will make you go away, or take an extended break anyway.
Well what a surprise you think that. You probably think Stones is better than all our defenders even though Everton fans thought he was shite last season.I'm inclined to think there is perhaps some bias in that viewpoint.
So, first you said "no bias" and now...you're admitting you were bias?
The rest of this post is just nonsensical. I haven't claimed Spurs are better than United, I just refuted your ridiculous claim that Rashford somehow possesses "much greater" ability than Kane. Something ok? He's the league's top scorer and was second top scorer in his breakthrough year. I know goals for a striker are practically meaningless to you and it's all about "overall ability" but still.
"I prefer to do the talking on the pitch" - a) you won't be playing, I imagine and b) you proceed to do the exact opposite by continuing to talk nonsense.
That's a crazy comment to make. Love the one you're with and all that but Kane scores goals. Left foot, right foot, head, outside the box.
Rashford has MILES to go before we talk about him as being as good. Talent means nothing. At this point, Adnan has still shown more talent in more games than Rashford. He's been around 5 minutes.
Disclaimer for silly folks: yes I rate Rashford. I think he's got the lot and I don't want him going anywhere. And no I don't think Adnan is the better player.
You just admitted that there was bias in your statement, and then had a go at him for saying he thinks there was bias in your statement.
Think that one through.
This is such a fecking pointless thread, both sides of the discussion frustrate me to no end. Kane has had back to back brilliant seasons, what the actual feck are you talking about?!
I didn't admit bias at all, it was a responce to you and Glastons pathetic crying over "oh if roles were reversed, utd fans would be laughing blah blah". There will be bias in some peoples views, but what i said had zero bias.
Yeah course mate, you're completely neutral on the matter.
Yeah, I'm out of it now. Should have left ages ago, really was a poor idea in the first place. Got sucked in to the debates though and it's difficult to watch people write nonsense about players you watch every week, and there's been plenty of nonsense written in this thread.
Let's just wait to see what we do on the pitch, there's nothing left to be said. I'm sure United fans are sick of talking about Spurs as well.
I wouldn't swap Rashford for Kane, i'm sure if you did a poll most on here would agree. There would be some bias from a lot of people yes but not from me. I don't really understand what kind of recognition you are looking for but for me, i'd never swap Rashford for Kane, and i bet Mourinho wouldn't either.
Lloris - DDG, Cech, Courtouis (I prefer these three)
Walker - Clyne, Sagna, Bellerin (I prefer these three)
Rose - Shaw, Monreal, Baines, Cresswell (I prefer these four)
Alderweiereld / Vertonghen - the best centre back partnership in the league at the moment IMO.
Dier - Xhaka may be, I need to watch him in the league first.
Dembele - Pogba, Santi, Kante, Fabregas (I prefer these four)
Eriksen & Lamela - Martial, Sanchez, Hazard, Mahrez
Alli - Payet, Ozil, De Bruyne, Silva
Kane - Aguero
Probably the one you can say solid is their centre back partnership, Kane, Lloris, Dier, and also Alli since he's still very young.
The likes of Rose, Walker and Lamela need to step up or upgraded. Eriksen and Dembele are fine.
It's just me personally so someone are probably disagree with this.
Walker - Clyne, Sagna, Bellerin (I prefer these three)
Rose - Shaw, Monreal, Baines, Cresswell (I prefer these four)
Alderweiereld / Vertonghen - the best centre back partnership in the league at the moment IMO.
Dier - Xhaka may be, I need to watch him in the league first.
Dembele - Pogba, Santi, Kante, Fabregas (I prefer these four)
Eriksen & Lamela - Martial, Sanchez, Hazard, Mahrez
Alli - Payet, Ozil, De Bruyne, Silva
Kane - Aguero
Probably the one you can say solid is their centre back partnership, Kane, Lloris, Dier, and also Alli since he's still very young.
The likes of Rose, Walker and Lamela need to step up or upgraded. Eriksen and Dembele are fine.
It's just me personally so someone are probably disagree with this.
Oh come on mate. You won the league in black and white.
Didn't you use some weird logic to show Alli had more potential than Pogba because at similar age Alli did better than Pogba?
In that case Rashford has more potential than kane, as per your logic.
Before anyone jumps, I'm not saying out r, just using his weird logic here.
It's called making selective arguments to suit your agenda.
Kane is absolutely miles ahead of Rashford right now. Anyone making a contrary statement is biased big time. As for potential, I think many will agree he has great potential but not every potential turns out great.
If Rashford gets his chancea this season and scores in the double digits with good conversion or goals-to-games ratio, then we coule have this discussion. Right now, Kane is the best striker in the league and his competition will be Zlatan, Aguero and Costa.
Good point, he was definitely saying that Alli is a much better talent because he was better at 19 and it's not relevant how good Pogba turned out to be at Juventus at 20-23. Same should go for Rashford v Kane, Kane was a nobody at 18-19.
So far Poch and Tottenham hasn't won anything.
Alli and Kane is two great players but not good enough to single handed win the league on their own. Luis Suarez had that potential. In my view Hurricane is a bit overrated, let's see him starts to dominate games on his own before I label him close to world class.
Alli's biggest weakness is his temper. If he can control his emotions then he's a future star, otherwise Spurs is his level.
Spurs defense is tight and well oiled but far from perfect. Walker and Rose is very good going forward but less impressive when they have to turn around and close spaces. Can see lots of teams who targeting Spurs flanks to create one on ones against their CB.
There is no evidence at all to think Tottenham will challenge for the league title. Last season was the last time in a while for a average club to win and Leisester took that chance. City, Chelsea and United is much stronger this season. Arsenal is also a better team, more quality and talent all around. Liverpool looks sharp, Leisterer continue to surprise, maybe they are the closest rivals to Spurs??
I'm not worried about Tottenham. No winning experience and no winning culture. Maybe top four if they are lucky.
Alli and Kane is two great players but not good enough to single handed win the league on their own. Luis Suarez had that potential. In my view Hurricane is a bit overrated, let's see him starts to dominate games on his own before I label him close to world class.
Alli's biggest weakness is his temper. If he can control his emotions then he's a future star, otherwise Spurs is his level.
Spurs defense is tight and well oiled but far from perfect. Walker and Rose is very good going forward but less impressive when they have to turn around and close spaces. Can see lots of teams who targeting Spurs flanks to create one on ones against their CB.
There is no evidence at all to think Tottenham will challenge for the league title. Last season was the last time in a while for a average club to win and Leisester took that chance. City, Chelsea and United is much stronger this season. Arsenal is also a better team, more quality and talent all around. Liverpool looks sharp, Leisterer continue to surprise, maybe they are the closest rivals to Spurs??
I'm not worried about Tottenham. No winning experience and no winning culture. Maybe top four if they are lucky.
The reason I find this entire thread an embarassment is not because I do not feel Spurs have a good team (I believe we have a very good team) - it's because this is a Man Utd forum and to put up a thread asking mostly Man Utd supporters to critique Spurs players in order to try and prove that Spurs players are better than most of the other top 4 sides doesnt sit well with me at all. I love Spurs and have supported them for over 30 years, we have a good team at the moment and I think most people would agree with that but when you do stuff like this on what is another team's forum you open yourself up for ridicule. We havent won anything for years remember, we may have a good team but why do you feel the need to try and get validation from other team's supporters who obviously will strongly favour players other than our own?
I just don't get it.
Your main argument seem to be based on "not having won anything" and "no winning experience". Firstly, no team had won anything prior to doing it for the first time, so I'm not sure that not having done it means very much. Secondly, "no winning experience" isn't strictly true. Four of the first team players have won league titles and three of them have won multiple league titles. I'm not suggesting spurs will win the league, just questioning your reason why they wont. Anyway, the proof will be over the next six months.