Silva to City

On a lighter note, from City forum:

Great signing he looked the part against Portugal the other night. Lets hope we can now persuade his mate Torres to come to.
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Poor bloke thinks they've signed David Villa.


Silva will not live up to their MASSIVE expectations and you can quote me on that.
 
Rowem said:
I've already listed 21 players who can be considered better than Tevez, plus a few lesser rated players I would be more fearful of. Without discussing defense minded players. Funny how everyone went quiet after that, once they realise they were talking out of their arse.

The joke is that you posted in a previous thread saying Tevez is the 3rd best player in the world.
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You what
 
Boss said:
You what
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I'm not in the mood to go and dig it up.

Nice that you only reply to that and avoid replying to the main substance of the post.

There are easily 35+ players in the world superior to Tevez. It's hard to find 5 better than Rooney.

edit: fair enough it wasn't you. You posted in the thread too is why I remembered it as being you.
 
Rowem said:
I'm not in the mood to go and dig it up.

Nice that you only reply to that and avoid replying to the main substance of the post.

There are easily 35+ players in the world superior to Tevez. It's hard to find 5 better than Rooney.
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So basically Tevez scored around 30 goals last season in a worse team and is doing his thing at the World Cup yet Rooney is 45 places ahead of him?

That's what you are saying
 
Rowem said:
Rooney has had a better season than Iniesta by far, and is a match winner.

Lets see Villa have a full season at a top club first, eh?

Drogba
Torres
Fabregas
RVP
Gerrard
Lampard
Malouda
Ribery
Luis Fabiano
Robinho
Kaka
Eto'o
Ibrahimovic
Sneijder
Robben

15 more players with a claim to be ahead of Tevez.

Note: A claim. It comes down to personal opinion, and a couple I would disagree with myself.
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:lol:I bet you didn't even know who Fabigol was before the World Cup
 
With the way they are buying - are they going to be able to meet the 25 man roster rules?

Are Ireland, SWP, Richards, Bellend going to stay?

Who are their homegrown players: Hart, Barry, Johnson, Given, Bridge?

Silva is a good player and maybe if they manage to string together performances to get them into the top 4 next season they might attract some even mor etop talent but, I don't see how they are going to afford keep going at the rate they are with their current model. Not with the rules that are coming into play.
 
Boss said:
So basically Tevez scored around 30 goals last season in a worse team and is doing his thing at the World Cup yet Rooney is 45 places ahead of him?

That's what you are saying
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30-40 places ahead most likely. Yes.

Tevez' record over 3 seasons isn't that impressive.

I think his goal tally last season was bloated/deceptive, and as I've said I'm happy to bet on it for next season.

I haven't been impressed enough with him at the WC to put him in the top 15-20 players in the world.
 
The rise of Chelsea and now City means we have to worry about added competition, but in my opinion it is Liverpool who are really going to be hurt by all this.

The number of Champions League places is now less than the number of big clubs. Something has to give. Either City will be a failure, or Chelsea and City will push either Arsenal or Liverpool out of the big boys club.

If you consistently miss out on Champions League money, then the decline of your club's finances and stature is inevitable.
 
Silva, clearly a talented player, but is he any more talented or proven than the likes of Valencia, Nani and Anderson?
 
Boss said:
:lol:I bet you didn't even know who Fabigol was before the World Cup
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No mate, not a clue. :rolleyes:

I said there a few I personally disagree with. Cut the hostility and be constructive or this conversation is finished as far as I'm concerned.

Tevez' international record:

55 caps, 11 goals.

But yeah, one decent season in front of goal and he's a world beater apparantly.
 
Rowem said:
30-40 places ahead most likely. Yes.

Tevez' record over 3 seasons isn't that impressive.

I think his goal tally last season was bloated/deceptive, and as I've said I'm happy to bet on it for next season.

I haven't been impressed enough with him at the WC to put him in the top 15-20 players in the world.
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You do know Rooney's goal tallys before last season wasn't amazing either, an idiot could argue it was bloated/deceptive, but that wouldn't actually make sense would it?
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Best post of the day.

Blair think you are talking rubbish though, it's all about keeping up with the Jones', even if the Jones' are Nouveau rich chavs.
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Sadly the game has changed and a new wave of club, investor and fan is taking over. I don't want to be part of that because that's not what I fell in love with. It's just how it is. I trust in what we have and I expect Fergie and co. to approach players for purchase as and when they see fit. He has, however, shown time and time again that 99% of posters that think they know everything on here are full of shite. Some people just never learn from the past.

So I'm content, as are you. We should be thankful Cnut :)
 
Has anyone else noticed that the second you mention city whilst being a united fan to other football fans your just being a bitter or gelous red even if what you say is almost exactly the same as what most would themselves say? everytime i mention that i really dont liek chelsea and city ethic of making an average team good entirely on money i get called a bitter red and told im gelous of them (i really want 34 years of nothing)

Oh and everyone refuses to see us a team who didnt buy sucess
 
Boss said:
No of course not, but to widen the gap like Rowem has done is to overhype Rooney
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So which players do you think are in between Tevez and Rooney then?

How many of the 21 I listed can you strongly disagree with?

Remember that is before defensive players too. I guess Tevez could be considered to be in the top 20 attacking players in the world. I don't think that is doing him an injustice. I don't think it's overhype to say Rooney is in the top 5.
 
Ferguson said:
The number of Champions League places is now less than the number of big clubs. Something has to give. Either City will be a failure, or Chelsea and City will push either Arsenal or Liverpool out of the big boys club.
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Arsenal and Liverpool have coexisted in a big four that includes Chelsea for over five years.

Chelsea's last twelve seasons:

1, 3, 2, 2, 1, 1, 2, 4, 6, 5, 3, 5
 
Rowem said:
No mate, not a clue. :rolleyes:

I said there a few I personally disagree with. Cut the hostility and be constructive or this conversation is finished as far as I'm concerned.

Tevez' international record:

55 caps, 11 goals.

But yeah, one decent season in front of goal and he's a world beater apparantly.
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:wenger:decent season

Anyway, isn't it about performing when it counts? He's been impressive for the last two World Cups now,you do realise Messi's record at international level is 13 in 48 right?

You do know Messi is god right?
 
Lets be honest, whilst the quality of players in our squad cannot be denied, if they all continue to strenghen and we dont we may wellThe number of draws and defats this year could have kicked us out of the top 3 most years and with more competition appearing we definatly need to improve. Not even necessarilly with money but something new has to be added to our squad soon.
 
its very sickening our rivals are strengthing their squad whereas we just stood still and do nothing and expect rooney to bail us out of trouble again....
 
Bread said:
Lets be honest, whilst the quality of players in our squad cannot be denied, if they all continue to strenghen and we dont we may well The number of draws and defats this year could have kicked us out of the top 3 most years and with more competition appearing we definatly need to improve. Not even necessarilly with money but something new has to be added to our squad soon.
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Didn't you finish on 85 points? No fourth place team has ever got 75, you finished 15 points ahead of Tottenham this year.
 
Kelvin said:
its very sickening our rivals are strengthing their squad whereas we just stood still and do nothing and expect rooney to bail us out of trouble again....
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I welcome the challenge.Dippers,Shitty,Spurs,Renties,arse all strengthening makes for an interesting season
 
Boss said:
:wenger:decent season

Anyway, isn't it about performing when it counts? He's been impressive for the last two World Cups now,you do realise Messi's record at international level is 13 in 48 right?

You do know He's god right?
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Stats are rubbish and don't tell the true story. I posted Tevez' international record in reponse to you using his PL record from last season - as a counter balance, if that is the means by which you want to judge. Stats should, rightly, be taken with a big hint of salt. Another example of how deceptive stats can be: Berbatov's goals per min record in the league last season was better than Tevez' at City minus penalties.

I said Tevez had a decent season in front of goal. I'm not sure how you've interpreted that as an insult. Excellent, decent, same difference.

You are right Tevez scores some crucial goals. It's a massive tick in his favour, and combined with his work rate it elevates him above many "technically superior" player.
 
Kelvin said:
its very sickening our rivals are strengthing their squad whereas we just stood still and do nothing and expect rooney to bail us out of trouble again....
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Any particular reason you use the past tense? Are you clairvoyant?
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Silva, clearly a talented player, but is he any more talented or proven than the likes of Valencia, Nani and Anderson?
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Nani and Valencia, no.

I don't think Anderson has done enough to be grouped with the above players. Injury last season set him back, but he needs to step it up or he'll be on his way out.
 
They're building themselves a decent team...should be an interesting season especially when they'll probably add a couple more as well....whilst we rumage around in the bargain bin.
 
Team Brian GB said:
Didn't you finish on 85 points? No fourth place team has ever got 75, you finished 15 points ahead of Tottenham this year.
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We did, and it'd have actually won us titles in most of PL seasons as far as I remember.
 
Weird how all of a sudden everyone thinks that Silva is shite when a few weeks ago we thought he was class, and we wanted him to join us.

But then again thats what signing for City does to you - see Robinho.

City will be winning the league sooner rather than later if they keep buying this type of player. They can buy who they want, and buy 20 players if they need to, but at the end of the day you can only put 11 on the pitch. So far they do not look as strong as either United or Chelsea.

United haven't done bad in the transfer market in my opinion. We are one signing short (midfielder) and we'll be ok IMO. Hernandez, the newly crowned fastest player of the WC @ 19.97mph (compared to Usain Bolts 23mph), has two good feet and looks every bit a player with the capability of being a top striker. United are famous for bringing youth through the ranks and it will show in the next few years, we really do have some promising players coming through (my favourites are Cleverley, Pogba, Hernandez, Macheda and a few others) not to mention the young players already in the first team (Evans, Rafael, and to an extent, Fabio).

Bear all this in mind when you look at our finances, Fergie is doing ok under a shoe string budget.
 
Kelvin said:
its very sickening our rivals are strengthing their squad whereas we just stood still and do nothing and expect rooney to bail us out of trouble again....
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As already mentioned we have already made two signings one of which just had a very good world cup and besides the transfer window OFFICIALLY hasn't even opened yet.
 
Blair said:
that's not the case.

I realise where we have quality but I also realise where we lack it, which is what a lot of people on here fail to do.

Most of the people on this forum think everyone at United is good enough for any club in the world, which is insane. Right now, we probably only have 1 or 2 world class player in our team, and a fair few very good players, who some think are world class, but aren't.



That's another way to look at it yeah.

Given, De Jong, Silva, Toure, Adam Johnson, Ireland, & Tevez are all good enough for our 'squad'. And yeah, the names you mentioned above are good enough for theirs. But there's not much in it these days. But transfer window after transfer window the gap is closing.
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Rio Ferdinand
Wayne Rooney
Van Der Sar
Patrice Evra
Nemanja Vidic

That's 5 players in the starting line up that are, without any doubt whatsoever and by any definition, world class.
 
I'm not sure Silva will improve City's left side much with the way Bellamy performed last season.

Bellamy will surely be on his way out.
 
Sultan said:
I'm not sure Silva will improve City's left side much with the way Bellamy performed last season.

Bellamy will surely be on his way out.
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Thats if they play him on the left, which isnt his best position. He wont improve the side at all on top of Bellamy's performances because Bellamy played the role better than Silva ever has.

If they play him behind Tevez, one of the two big problems City had last season would be alleviated but the other one will most likely stay just as big a problem or even become a bigger problem.

Last season for City, basically everything they created came from Bellamy on the left wing and Tevez down the middle. Adam Johnson came in half way through the season and he had a terrific second half of the season contributing a few goals and creating lots more. But by and large it was the Tevez and Bellamy show last season. Silva starting instead of Adebayor would mean more craft and less reliance on Tevez and Bellamy, and at times Johnson, to create absolutely every City chance.

However, Tevez and Bellamy also scored all the goals. Adebayor got a few more. And Silva doesnt get many and probably wont be able to keep the same strike rate as Adebayor. So while Tevez should in theory get more chances playing next to Silva instead of Adebayor, the goalscoring responsibility would be even more on his shoulders.

Particularly if the arguments between Mancini and Bellamy lead to Bellamy leaving or being replaced. Which is almost nailed on. And it was probably Milner they were after to replace him. He might create, but he wont score like Bellamy did so once again, over to you Mr. Tevez for all the goals.
 
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