Silva to City

Rowem said:
VDS > Hart/Given

Rafael/O'Shea/Brown/Neville > Richards/Zabaleta
Rio/Vidic/Brown > K.Toure/Lescott/Kompany
Evans > Boateng
Smalling ? Onouha
Evra > Bridge
Fabio/O'Shea > Garrido

Hargreaves/Scholes/Carrick > Barry/De Jong/Vieira
Fletcher = Y.Toure
Anderson ? Ireland
Gibson ? M.Johnson

Nani/Valencia > Silva/SWP/A.Johnson/Bellamy
Giggs - category of his own
Obertan ? Weiss

Berbatov = Adebayor (Adebayor can turn it on when he wants but mostly doesn't)
Rooney > Tevez
Owen > Santa Cruz
Hernandez/Macheda > Caicedo/Jo


It's real close isn't it :rolleyes:
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feck me you are one biased son of a bitch.

Owen is not better than Santa Cruz, get a grip.
Rooney and Tevez is a close one.
Berba = Adebayor, fair enough.
Ireland is better than Anderson.
 
evra said:
Let's try to be honest, their squad has improved over the last two seasons and ours hasn't improved as much.
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Owen - Santa Cruz is largely irrelevant, but I'd rather have Owen for reasons such as influence on the other strikers and impact in the dressing room. Plus he's the better of course. They're both crocks.

Who out of Carrick, Hargreaves and Scholes would you swap for Vieira, De Jong or Barry? I assume I can rule out swapping any of them for Vieira, I assume I can rule out swapping Scholes (age isn't relevant here). Obviously Carrick has come in for stick recently, but I see little that would make me want to swap him for De Jong or Barry. Ditto Hargreaves. As a trio I therefore think it is quite clear that:

Hargreaves/Scholes/Carrick > Barry/De Jong/Vieira

Who out of Nani and Valencia would you swap one of for City's wingers? Bellamy? feck off. SWP? feck further off. Adam Johnson? Nah? Silva? Overrated, less suited to the PL than Nani and Valencia.
 
VoetbalWizard said:
I don't rate silva all that much, so i wouldn't be surprised. But to be honest, you have to be pretty shit to play 10% worse than the bulgarian.
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Well next season I think he'll be around 10% worse than Berbatov in the hole. Hence I didnt want us to replace Berbatov with him (spending £30 million or so on him in the process). Short term I dont think he'll do as well as Berbatov because Berbatov gets on the scoresheet much more often (hard to imagine I know, but that says a lot for Silva's ability to finish). Longterm however, he wont stay £3 million worse than Berbatov. But I'm calling it, if he plays behind Tevez for City I doubt he'll score/assist/produce as much as Berbatov has in his 2 seasons at United.
 
Snow said:
Sure we did beat them but we didn't wipe the floor with them. All the games were close to call. And then again they did beat Arsenal and Chelsea in the league. By your standards Chelsea wiped the floor with us.
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I can't remember us ever being in danger of losing at Eastlands and if we had drawn I would have been absolutely depressed as there is no way a team should dominate a game like that and still lose.

As for Chelsea they did beat us last season, but we had more than enough chances to win both games and certainly were not played off the park in either game. But for better finishing at OT and Stamford Bridge we should really have drawn or won both games.

Snow said:
The only thing lacking for City is consistency. That's it. Their squad would be good enough to win the league if they had that. Maybe these signings will bring that? Toure for one is a consistent player. Silva isn't really.
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They have a squad good enough to challenge for the league, however as Arsenal fans will tell you challenging for the league and actually getting close to winning it are two different things. Until city conduct a complete ovehall of the centre of their defence they will never get close to winning the league as Toure(on current form) and Company/Lescott will never be part of a premier league winning central defence, they also need an excellent rather than a decent manager.
 
Rowem said:
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

RedCafe, you are too much for me.

See you in a couple weeks.
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Based on the last season and the world cup, you'd have to say it's fair to say they're 'close'. Rooney is better though, but still, there's not exactly a big gap.
 
"They are a club with a great future with fantastic players. I want to be an important player in City's history."

Should also say that he wants to earn 3 times as much per week.....can't blame him mind
 
Blair said:
feck me you are one biased son of a bitch.

Owen is not better than Santa Cruz, get a grip.
Rooney and Tevez is a close one.
Berba = Adebayor, fair enough.
Ireland is better than Anderson.
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Ask Citeh Fans how much they rate Santa Cruz, he isn't that better than Owen plus his injury record is even worse than him.
 
Karan Mittal said:
Ask Citeh Fans how much they rate Santa Cruz, he isn't that better than Owen plus his injury record is even worse than him.
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Santa Cruz has been their worst signing and he'll be gone to make room for the Wolfsburg lad...
 
Anyway, I'm not too worried about City getting David Silva, it's no guarantee that he'll be a success for them. Very skillful player but he's a bit inconsistent, and he could struggle with the pace of the PL. He's very much a build up player sometimes.

Still, he could also turn out to be brilliant for them, who knows.
 
If they're spending all this money, they should really have a good look at there defence first...
 
Blair said:
Exactly.

Rowan obviously hasn't watched Tevez since he left us.
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Oh god :lol:

I mean..it's close in that Tevez is a good player, but it's not even worth mentioning.

Rooney is top 5, Tevez is top 50.
 
Totally top heavy side. They just buy strikers who then go on to narrowly push old strikers out of the team, that's if they're even better at all. Same goes with the midfield... How much did they get Viera for? There defence is shocking. I don't rate a single one of them, sept maybe that Onuaha for the future...

Forgot they signed Boateng, good player, but I don't see him doing a Vermaelen.
 
BAMSOLA said:
He's still undoubtedly on current form(last 2-3 seasons) a better striker than Owen.
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Last three seasons

Santa Cruz: 33 Goals in 92 Matches
Owen: 32 in 96 Matches

Not much difference I would say.
 
Rowem said:
Oh god :lol:

I mean..it's close in that Tevez is a good player, but it's not even worth mentioning.

Rooney is top 5, Tevez is top 50.
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Messi
Ronaldo
Xavi
Iniesta
Villa

There's 5 better than Rooney. Take your red tinted specs off FFS, it's embarassing.

Rooney is top 10, Tevez top 15. That's close.
 
Blair said:
Messi
Ronaldo
Xavi
Iniesta
Villa

There's 5 better than Rooney. Take your red tinted specs off FFS, it's embarassing.

Rooney is top 10, Tevez top 15. That's close.
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Think he meant strikers, as opposed to forwards.
 
Rowem said:
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

RedCafe, you are too much for me.

See you in a couple weeks.
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The concept of your list alone, even barring the content itself, makes of mockery of decent and knowledgable football fans everywhere. Worse yet, you have little idea of how to approach such comparisons and have produced a list of baised claims with little grounding other than in your own mind.

Your comparisons are a bit like people who say "god is good." The phrasing is analytic and one side of the statement adds nothing to the other because the subject and object share a relationship that is only predicated on your notions of them.

Our starting 11 should still edge theirs, mostly by way of our defense. Also, our manager is a major advantage. That said, if they keep signing players, and spurs do the same, things could be tight in the top 4 next year
 
Blair said:
I think he means footballers.

if he actually thinks Tevez is only top 50 STRIKERS, then he's an idiot.
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Yeh, Rooney brings more than just talent though, his passion/presence and over all affect on a team, gets him close to the top 5. I'd say he's probably about 6/7/8th in the world, based on muppetry anyway. Have him over Ibra anyday of the week.

I'm not sure about Tevez being in the top 15 players in the world though tbh...
 
Blair said:
Messi
Ronaldo
Xavi
Iniesta
Villa

There's 5 better than Rooney. Take your red tinted specs off FFS, it's embarassing.

Rooney is top 10, Tevez top 15. That's close.
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Rooney is as good a footballer as those 4.
 
Blair said:
Messi
Ronaldo
Xavi
Iniesta
Villa

There's 5 better than Rooney. Take your red tinted specs off FFS, it's embarassing.

Rooney is top 10, Tevez top 15. That's close.
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Well after last year the way Rooney played and scored he is easy top 5 but that debate is in another thread. But I do agree with you point the gap isn't that big Tevez is a top 20 player.
 
Blair said:
Messi
Ronaldo
Xavi
Iniesta
Villa

There's 5 better than Rooney. Take your red tinted specs off FFS, it's embarassing.

Rooney is top 10, Tevez top 15. That's close.
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Rooney has had a better season than Iniesta by far, and is a match winner.

Lets see Villa have a full season at a top club first, eh?

Drogba
Torres
Fabregas
RVP
Gerrard
Lampard
Malouda
Ribery
Luis Fabiano
Robinho
Kaka
Eto'o
Ibrahimovic
Sneijder
Robben

15 more players with a claim to be ahead of Tevez.

Note: A claim. It comes down to personal opinion, and a couple I would disagree with myself.

But already that's 21, off the top of my head, without even looking at defence minded players. Plus there are players like Forlan, Milito, Higuain, Aguero and Pato who I'd be more worried about playing, although they are probably widely seen to be behind Tevez. So, yeah, I think Tevez is looking at top 50, and might just squeek into the top 40. For me Rooney is top 5.

I'll happily place a friendly wager that Tevez will score less PL goals next season than this season, and/or that he'll get less PL goals than Rooney. Bet void if either one plays a significantly lower number of games due to injury of course.

Either way this is bizarrely off topic. Even if we went with your criteria then man for man United are better off than City in pretty much every position.
 
Blair said:
Nah, Xavi and Iniesta are better footballers than Rooney for sure.

Villa is a better striker than Rooney at the moment.
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Villa has been a better striker than Rooney the last two weeks.

Give me Rooney over Villa any time though.

You don't realise the quality of United's players.
 
Blair said:
Nah, Xavi and Iniesta are better footballers than Rooney for sure.

Villa is a better striker than Rooney at the moment.
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which is why i said maybe.

i don't agree with cnut as I do think iniesta and xavi are better footballers and villa is better striker ATM.

That said for united, I'd only have ronnie and messi before rooney as rooney is still 4-5 years younger than villa and xavi and would be more influential to us than iniesta.
 
Basically, not many from City's squad would improve United's team.

Quite a few from United's squad would improve City's team. Rio, Vidic, Evra, Valencia, Fletcher, Giggs, Nani, Scholes and Rooney.
 
Fair enough lads, it's all opinions of course. All that gets set in stone, as far as awards go, is 1, 2 & 3. Which aint going to be Rooney after that dismal WC display.

It's got Messi, Ronaldo then Xavi written all over it.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Basically, not many from City's squad would improve United's team.

Quite a few from United's squad would improve City's team. Rio, Vidic, Evra, Valencia, Fletcher, Giggs, Nani, Scholes and Rooney.
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+ Scholes. He passed them off the fecking park at Eastlands!

+ plus a few of our youngsters who I am giddy excited about.

edit: I'm blind. You mentioned Scholes.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Basically, not many from City's squad would improve United's team.

Quite a few from United's squad would improve City's team. Rio, Vidic, Evra, Valencia, Fletcher, Giggs, Nani, Scholes and Rooney.
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the fact that we are even in discussions comparing ourselves to city shows city's ambition.

we should not be concerned with the likes of city. I am more interested how we will fare in europe if we are drawn against barca or even madrid (madrid under JM will be a much different animal).
 
VoetbalWizard said:
the fact that we are even in discussions comparing ourselves to city shows city's ambition.

we should not be concerned with the likes of city. I am more interested how we will fare in europe if we are drawn against barca or even madrid (madrid under JM will be a much different animal).
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It shows the irrational panic of many posters.

We had people on here predicting City would top us in the league last season.
 
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