There seems to be a trend for ridiculous overrating on the cafe tonight. Bebe over Afellay and Hernandez over Aguero. Have a word.
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Revisionist nonsense
He was the fans player of the year in his first season, and even towards the end supporters were split over who they thought should be first choice left back. Heinze never looked anything like as good as Evra going forward, but it was a fair contest who was the best 'defender' at the time
Evra has gone on to be a monster, Heinze's career has fizzled out somewhat, and the spectre of his Liverpool attempted move will always cloud the judgement...
Nothing will beat the guff spoken about Rooneys ability, or lack there of, spouted on here the days during his supposed exit from the club mind
I have to agree with this.
He was good in his first season, but never as good as most fans thought he was. Did the purely defensive side of the job fairly well, but 50% of the time he'd give the ball straight back to the opposition and start another attack for them. His passing abilities makes O'Shea look like Xavi.
Then after his injury he was never the same and as 06/07 went on most fans couldn't understand why Heinze was sometimes getting picked over Evra.
I'd take Bale, because he is proven quantity in the PL. Kun may be good, but we dont know how he will perform in the PL. Moreover his wages could be outrageous.
While this is true, Aguero only has 1 goal and 1 assist in 7 league matches. Hernandez has 3 goals in 8 league matches this season.
Aguero has a lot more to offer in buildup play but come the end of the season it might be that Hernandez scores more often during in his time on the pitch.
Scoring more is not equal to being better.
Odd post. Being a 'fullback' if two players are fairly equal defensively and one is about 20 times better going forward and generally as a footballer (i.e on the ball), it makes a enormous difference.
My judgement is clouded? I'm saying he was a good player for us. If you're claiming he was one of the best left backs of his generation, which Evra will go down as, then I really don't know what to say to you.
There's a big gulf between the two as players, even at their respective bests. But having said that Heinze was a good player for us. There are some who due to the way he left will say he was rubbish and there are some who due to his grittiness at the time would have rated him higher than he really deserved. But it doesn't change the difference in quality between the two which is huge.
That depends. For Atletico Madrid right now it would be the case as they are struggling for goals. We're scoring plenty so it counts for a little less.
It can though.
In this case certainly not.
Atletico are struggling for goals because both Aguero and Forlan are going thru a barren patch infront of goal. That has little bearing on their actual quality as players. Our Chicharito is good but right now Aguero is definitely the superior player.
I'd still wait for a bit to be honest. We still don't know enough about Hernandez. Goals are the most important thing in the end and if he goes on to exceed all expectations and become a goal scoring machine you never know.
I think we should get his child (hopefully a son!). Aguero and Marradona combined 
A barren patch, and a continued lesser end product than he's capable of in Aguero's case.
He's been less than his best for quite a while now, it might be that when he finally moves on he hits the ground running like Torres. But for now he's not that great. And over such a period of time it has a huge bearing on the actual quality of a player.
He's still better than Hernandez. Hernandez would have to outscore him over the course of a season or at least score more in less time on the pitch to make any kind of comparison worthwhile. But a year from today that could be exactly whats happened.
Scored two very good goals yesterday, one being a good individual effort, finishing with his weaker foot; the second being a great finish, dummying first.
13 goals and 4 assists this season in 17 appearances, directly contributing to a goal a game. Doesn't take penalties either. 22 years of age. Last couple of seasons haven't been his best, but what does it say when he hasn't scored less than 20 goals for the last three seasons (when he was even younger, 19) and looks like he'll keep it up this year too?
13 goals and 4 assists this season in 17 appearances, directly contributing to a goal a game. Doesn't take penalties either. 22 years of age. Last couple of seasons haven't been his best, but what does it say when he hasn't scored less than 20 goals for the last three seasons (when he was even younger, 19) and looks like he'll keep it up this year too?
You must be barking! Were you on crack when you wrote this?
Yeah, Hernandez over Aguero is a no-go area, comparisons should not be made.
Unless he was actually talking about 'Aguerro', since no-one knows who that is, I suppose I would take Hernandez over him.
Unless he was actually talking about 'Aguerro', since no-one knows who that is, I suppose I would take Hernandez over him.
Wikipedia:
"Agüero has a tattoo on the inside of his right arm, inscribed in Tengwar—a form of writing invented by J. R. R. Tolkien that was used by the Elves in his works. It translates roughly to Kun Agüero in the Latin alphabet."
SIGN HIM UP!
"Agüero has a tattoo on the inside of his right arm, inscribed in Tengwar—a form of writing invented by J. R. R. Tolkien that was used by the Elves in his works. It translates roughly to Kun Agüero in the Latin alphabet."
SIGN HIM UP!
The new Aguero, he has quite a fierce shot:
That was ridiculously gay.
I just wanted for once to be able to use "The new [player's name]" and be unequivocally right about it. And that's not gay, that's Latino paternal love.
The new Hargreaves, more like. Needs treatment for a pulled hamstring at 0:38
Edit: And why is his dad humping him at 1:20?
Edit: And why is his dad humping him at 1:20?
It's about as gay as a cross-dressing tea party involving Cristiano Ronaldo, Elton John, a cucumber and a bottle of lube.
Marca and AS quoting the one of the Atletico directors as saying that Real Madrid have offered 45m (the release clause) for Kun - but the club has turned it down.
Whether they'll repeat the offer in the summer is open to debate - he's not an obvious Mourinho striker, but then Mourinho's currently engaged in (almost) open war against Valdano, so maybe he's not the one they're trying to impress. They're also rumoured to be frontrunners for Llorente and will have an option on Adebayor if he goes there.
Oh yeah, Benzema still plays for them.
Whether they'll repeat the offer in the summer is open to debate - he's not an obvious Mourinho striker, but then Mourinho's currently engaged in (almost) open war against Valdano, so maybe he's not the one they're trying to impress. They're also rumoured to be frontrunners for Llorente and will have an option on Adebayor if he goes there.
Oh yeah, Benzema still plays for them.
How can they turn down a release clause fee?
I really don't see a place for Aguero in the current Real Madrid squad. His best position is right behind the striker and they have a ton of players who can play in that position.
Higuain is going to be back for them and Benzema seems to be doing good for Real. They are for sure not going to buy another high profile striker for so much money. I know Real does ridiculous things but there is no way they are going to get Aguero.
Well for one they are kinda struggling this year in seventh. They need all the help they can get to help propel the team forward and hopefully get into Europe next year.
No, I mean legally how can they turn it down? The clauses are worded in such a way that being offered that much legally obliges you to allow the player to negotiate with the bidding club.
I think the player can't exercise the clause himself until the end of the season or at least there's a gentleman's agreement between the clubs not to force it. You sometimes hear them signing an agreement in January for a deal in June. 3 months notice maybe?
Oh shit, I did not know that. Maybe he rejected them?
Yeah unless they have a special Real Madrid clause in the contract then that makes no sense surely.
Yeah, there seems to be an awful lot of bollitics in Madrid with unspoken agreements and so on. Still, Madrid will get tired of scruples soon enough if they really want the player.
Wouldn't he be hated by Atletico fans if he went across town to Real anyway?
Yeah but it's not Torres we're talking about. This isn't his boyhood club.
SSN: 'Sky Sources: Atletico reject £38.5 million bid from Spurs for Aguero'.
As well as bidding 30m for Rossi??
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