Sergio Aguero

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Christofaux said:
Ide say it stems from the 'once a blue always a blue'
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Wasn't he 15 when he wrote that? He didn't say he was going to play for Everton for the rest of his life, it's much more likely he meant he'd be an Everton fan for the rest of his life. It's not as though he walked out on his contract, he got Everton £20-30m. Perhaps they'd have been happier if he'd moved to Chelsea.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
I don't think you're getting the point at all. We're not taking about whether Rooney is better now than he was then. The question is whether he can be as brilliant now as he was then. I don't know about Messi but he's now no longer a teenager but he's still destroying defenses for fun, with maturity and yet with brilliance. Same with Ronaldo. Kaka was doing at 25 too. Gerrard despite being overrated produces far more 'brilliant' moments these days than Rooney. The point is Rooney rarely smashes teams the way Messi and Ronaldo do. He rarely does that to anyone these days. Yes he plays well, but frightening defenders everytime he picks up the ball, it just doesn't happen anymore.

My point is that you naturally expect a quality player's game to mature as he gets older and enters the prime of his career. But there's no reason for the magic to just almost completely exit from his game. Look at the top players in world football, they all turn it on every other game. Rooney if he did the same would be in the top 3 footballers in the world. He's that talented.

Producing moments of magic.
Having a frightening long range shot.
Having genuine venom behind pretty much every effort.
Being able to beat defenders consistently.

These are elements of his game that have diminished. And for all his improvements, you say he's maximized his attributes. I disagree. These were some of his stronger attributes when he was younger. IMO Rooney is so talented that he's still a quality player despite having regressed on some of his major strengths, and improved on some (heading, goal poaching, decision making) of his weaker areas. And I think maximizing ones potential lies in improving your weaker areas but also keeping your strengths strong.
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Wait till he hits age 25. The point at which I expect Rooney to fully mature an come into his own consistently the way a Zizou did.
 
The only performance of Rooney's this season that reminded me of when he was younger was the second half vs Spurs.
 
MadDogg said:
That's one of the biggest myths on this forum. Rooney's worst period of form since joining us was in the first half of 06/07 when he was partnered upfront with Saha. Now I'm not saying that it was the partnership which caused that bad form (it was more the way he was rushed back from injury for the WC), but you can't re-write history.

It worked much better between them in the latter stages of 05/06, but I certainly wouldn't say it was Rooney's best form.
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Spot in. Rooney's best form for United has been in the year he partnered Tevez and in 2005.
 
devilish said:
I agree. Its evident that Rooney is more comfortable in dropping deep and exploit spaces left by the main striker. He is more direct than the typical link man so the striker must be able to drop deep too and create spaces for other to exploit (like for example Saha) but the main striker should not be Rooney but the other striker.
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Hope he doesn't drop deep like the Sunderland match, which all of his 1 touch passes or anything he tried was poor.

Rooney just has to discover his form on taking on defenders again not try to be the play maker. We've always hoped he would develop into a striker that has the arrogance and flair of Cantona but also the aggression of Roy Keane, and the Finish of Ruud Van nistelrooy.

Though Rooney has been great, I'm pretty sure most caftards here expect more from him than this and also after watching Ronaldo evolve one must keep faith that Rooney can evolve.

At least Rooney wouldn't consider a RM move. Hope he can evolve to our expectations of him.
 
RedThaiDevils#7 said:
Hope he doesn't drop deep like the Sunderland match, which all of his 1 touch passes or anything he tried was poor.

Rooney just has to discover his form on taking on defenders again not try to be the play maker. We've always hoped he would develop into a striker that has the arrogance and flair of Cantona but also the aggression of Roy Keane, and the Finish of Ruud Van nistelrooy.

Though Rooney has been great, I'm pretty sure most caftards here expect more from him than this and also after watching Ronaldo evolve one must keep faith that Rooney can evolve.

At least Rooney wouldn't consider a RM move. Hope he can evolve to our expectations of him.
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Off days do happen to everyone expecially if the midfield had gone in tilt. I wouldn't put too much thought on that game. What we need to do is find the ideal partner for Rooney and stick them together week in week out.
 
So has this thread returned back to being about Aguero yet.... Oh.
 
Only idiots think that Rooney was better when he was younger, he's much better now, anyone who understands something about football could say.
 
Kevin said:
It's strange though isn't it? It seems like the coaching staff and Fergie prefer players this way: Ronaldo, Anderson, Rooney have all become less exciting (Ronaldo's starting to beat men for fun at Real again it seems...) yes during their 'learning years' at United...
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Because people who know something about football are aware that "pasting players" is not the most important thing in the game. Only idiots and youtube fanboys think that way.
 
phelans shorts said:
he's got it pretty much spot on, i have just watched a show on some of rooneys best play and was speechless at some of his early stuff, nowadays he doesn't really make the jaw drop as he once did with his dribbling and fantastic strike
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Told you, youtube fanboys.
 
phelans shorts said:
some of the stuff in this video he just doesn't seem to do anymore which is a huge shame, what could have been...

NOTE: this video is made by a everton fan so quite alot of bitterness
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Oh a youtube video to analyse a player, what a surprise.

I would like to see younger Rooney making a pass like the one he puts to Carrick in the penalty against Tottenham last season (5-3).
 
TonyMontana said:
Oh a youtube video to analyse a player, what a surprise.

I would like to see younger Rooney making a pass like the one he puts to Carrick in the penalty against Tottenham last season (5-3).
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Should have been watching United in 2005-2006 then. Your loss.
 
Well done the three of you. None of you even read what the thread's been about for a good page and a half and decided 'Rooney being better or worse than he was at 18' was what's been debated. Wrong.
 
TonyMontana is right but not completely.Just because you're nostalgic that a player like Rooney isn't as spectacular as before doesn't you're a youtube fanboy.I just hate it when people make general assumptions like that one.Rooney in his first season managed to ally both spectacular football and efficiency, if a player is good enough to do both then why not hope for him to do so again ?
Just to clear things up, I still appreciate the current Rooney we have
 
TonyMontana said:
Told you, youtube fanboys.
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i'll give you a hint, i wasn't talking about a youtube video when i said that, i was talking about a rooney show which was on sky 2 on thursday, hardly youtube is it? do you feel like the idiot you look now?

TonyMontana said:
Oh a youtube video to analyse a player, what a surprise.

I would like to see younger Rooney making a pass like the one he puts to Carrick in the penalty against Tottenham last season (5-3).
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how can i upload other stuff to the forum, eejit

anyway, yes that was undoubtably a good pass, but when was the last time he made a pass like that? his moments of brilliance are far less frequent as they once were
 
Rooney when he was younger was different no doubt and in some respects better.

Now he's a better all round player but I remember one game against United when he had about 6 or so chances and he made them with his running and his drive

We've seen flashes of that but now he's more a pass, move type

As for aquero - with the potential we've coming through - I doubt we'd ever go for him
 
I'd personally love to see Aguero in a united shirt I thought we should have got him when athletico did. I remember seeing him on utube for independiante some of the goals he scored had me thinking the way he dribbles reminds me of Bestie. Although similar to rooney so was tevez and they played better together than anyone else he's been paired with except maybe Ruud
 
adexkola said:
If Rooney gets injured, it's not gonna be funny. At the moment, I don't trust Macheda or Welbeck to cover for him.
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Yes, but I doubt Aguero is going to come here to be a back up striker for Rooney, it is likely he would want to be a first teamer with his talents, also add Owen to that list of strikers.
 
Aguero does not have to play as a striker if we went back to playing the kind of 4-2-3-1 we did with Cristiano then he could easily play as a wide forward.

I'd love to see him at OT as I think we're one special player short since Selling ronaldo.
 
Aguero will be here when Dimi goes to Bulgaria to end his career.

Maybe...

OK he'll probably be with Real once Raul is gone
 
I'm not a big fan of bringing Aguero over, but watching Owen find spaces and allowing the likes of Berbatov etc more space... you could see how Aguero (young, super-fast, more technical version of Owen) could fit in, if we were to make a move.

Berba-Aguero would work, Rooney-Aguero I'd be less sure of.
 
Raees said:
I'm not a big fan of bringing Aguero over, but watching Owen find spaces and allowing the likes of Berbatov etc more space... you could see how Aguero (young, super-fast, more technical version of Owen) could fit in, if we were to make a move.

Berba-Aguero would work, Rooney-Aguero I'd be less sure of.
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Rooney Aguero would work, it's all sounding like the nay sayers again, who said that rooney and tevez wouldn't work.
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...m.html?ITO=1490

Cash-strapped Atletico Madrid have told Chelsea to make them an offer they can't refuse for star striker Sergio Kun Aguero.

Atletico's director general Miguel Angel Gil Marin has confirmed Sportsmail's reports that the Blues made their move for Argentina star Aguero in the summer transfer window.

Gil Marin says Chelsea's bid in excess of £45million for the 21-year-old - about £10m was short of the buyout clause written into his contract.

With Manchester United, Real Madrid and Barcelona also interested, Atletico resisted all bids, but the debt-laden club admit they may not be able to hold on to their prized asset for much longer.

'There were two bids in the summer,' Gil Marin told Spanish newspaper Marca.
'Chelsea wanted Aguero and Real Madrid wanted Diego Forlan.

'Chelsea offered 50m euros (£46m) for "Kun" and Madrid offered 36m euros (£33m) for the Uruguayan.

'If they want to make a better offer, Atletico will assess it.

'If we have to correct something in the winter market we will.'
 
BAMSOLA said:
Aguero does not have to play as a striker if we went back to playing the kind of 4-2-3-1 we did with Cristiano then he could easily play as a wide forward.

I'd love to see him at OT as I think we're one special player short since Selling ronaldo.
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I agree.

Aguero should be a target, he's an immense talent and has all the ability in the world.
 
Yesterday the Italian TV reported that United offered 28 million euro for Jovetic last Wednesday... but again the guy who said is an old senile journalist (Maurizio Mosca) who is an expert at not guessing tranfer moves... :lol:
 
AdZzUtd said:
I agree.

Aguero should be a target, he's an immense talent and has all the ability in the world.
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Aguero is a bit similar to Rooney, Tevez even Berbs. We need someone that can automatically lead the line and always trying to run in behind the defenders - Pato should be our primary target (imo). Villa is 28 - but i doubt SAF is prepared to spout out another 35 - 40m on a 28 year old after buying Berbs.
 
Red Pavan said:
Aguero is a bit similar to Rooney, Tevez even Berbs. We need someone that can automatically lead the line and always trying to run in behind the defenders - Pato should be our primary target (imo). Villa is 28 - but i doubt SAF is prepared to spout out another 35 - 40m on a 28 year old after buying Berbs.
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I agree mate, but Aguero is far superior to Tevez and let's face it, no matter how much we hate that cnut, Tevez was (at times) a great player for us, Aguero has far more goals in him than Tevez, far more than Berbs at even at a push, dare I say Rooney himself? Pato just isn't going to happen sadly, if it did I would be absolutely over the moon.

Either this or of course we could wait until Welbeck turns into the new Henry.
 
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