RedThaiDevils#7
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Why wouldn't a Kun and Rooney Partnership work ? Though Berbs has been decent he's price tag still looks hefty and has to show more of those finishes that he showed at Sunderland.
Nice clear summary there.It could work better than Berbatov and Rooney. I'd agree that Aguero isnt what Rooney's perfect partner would be, but he'd still be a good fit - And it would also still give Berbatov a role to play if we needed a taller option in there or someone to pass the ball around from a bit deeper. We'd also have the option of Berbatov behind Aguero and Rooney if we really needed to get ourselves a goal. A bit like when we had Berbatov, Rooney, Ronaldo and Tevez all playing last season when we needed to take a gamble.
Aguero actually does good work and is able to set up team mates as well, but importantly he's a much better taker of chances than Berbatov and his pace would stretch defences allowing more space for Rooney or whoever he is playing next to. He could also play wide in a front 3 and be more dangerous than our wide players often are.
Normally the fee would be the stumbling block and I'd put the idea down to fantasy but... I think we'd benefit a lot from signing him, regardless of whether it took all our remaining funds.
Rooney basically is a Yorke type now. He's even started to get the heading down.
The problem is that a few years ago, his perfect partner would probably look nothing like who his perfect partner would be today.
Gone are the days where Rooney was able to go past half a team on his own with his dribbling. He's barely able to beat a man these days. Or when allowing him to shoot from just outside the box meant a goal was on the cards. Those goals are few and far between now. Judging from some of his more recent matches his passing isnt what it once was either. He used to create chances with some of the best reverse passes I've ever seen and start moves by accurately depositing the ball onto the flank before moving into the box. Nothing like that anymore, although thats Berbatov's role now.
You might say Rooney of old would be a good partner for the current Wayne Rooney.
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I agree with him. Rooneys style has definately changed since joining United. Matured, if you will.
Is that completely a good thing though? He was meant to be brilliant. To do things few others could.
Depends on how you view it I guess.
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Er, when Rooney came through he used to get more bookings than goals. Defenders also didn't know what to expect, whereas now they are alot more wise to him. Despite this his goal return has vastly improved and his all round contribution to the team. He's a much better player now.
His goal return in the league was best in 05/06, when he was playing in the way described.
He's changed as a player, a bit better overall but he seems less unique. Less dangerous with the ball at his feet perhaps, though much more likely to hurt you getting on the end of someone else's through ball. He's improved on a few key areas of his game, his off the ball running and recently his heading skills, but the things that made him look so special when he first played for us dont seem so out of the ordinary now.
It's strange though isn't it? It seems like the coaching staff and Fergie prefer players this way: Ronaldo, Anderson, Rooney have all become less exciting (Ronaldo's starting to beat men for fun at Real again it seems...) yes during their 'learning years' at United...
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he's got it pretty much spot on, i have just watched a show on some of rooneys best play and was speechless at some of his early stuff, nowadays he doesn't really make the jaw drop as he once did with his dribbling and fantastic strike
Well you have to remember when Rooney first came out he probably received less attention from defenders before his reputation built up and now he attracts alot more attention.
I remember watching the highlights of one of his games for Everton against us awhile back and he was our defenders were absolutely frightened of him. He was bullying them left right and centre. I think we won the game but this 18 or 17 year old was making our defenders look like rubbish. It's the kind of highlights you watch from games of the very best footballers in the world. I doubt you can even make such a clip from one of Rooney's games these days. Maybe a few delightful long passes and crosses, but pure brilliance, I don't think so.
This is one of my biggest fears amongst United players. Rooney not fulfilling his potential because I'm so in awe of the prospect of how good he can be and how it would feel if he never actually fulfilled it.
This thread has now gotten me a bit sad I always thought he was just a bit more 'special' than any young player at the time. He just had a habit of making the pitch his stage for Everton, then England and then us. It's a bit like Mourinho, Ronaldo or Messi these days. God knows if it will continue for them but in their respective roles you just get a feeling they're destined for greatness and no matter what they do, that's just in the script for them. I'm worried about Rooney in that respect. When he had that awesome season as a 19 or 20 year old for us, I thought this kid is just going to tear into world football and kill defenders for fun. Screamers at 16, stunning at a world cup at 18, bought by the best club in the world and a dream debut as well at 18, and a brilliant season at 20 (or 19). It's just not been as special since. He's now actually behind a few players his age, which wasn't the case when he was 18.
I think i need to stop posting in this thread now
Why haven't Ronaldo, Messi, Gerrard, Torres etc gotten less brilliant? Just making the point that top players can get 'found out' for max a season. They're normally just too good to stop. It's as if the defenders know what they're going to do but still can't stop them from doing it.
I wanted to say these things from quite a while, you have perfectly interpreted my thoughts and feelings about him. Completely agree.
But, the thing is he is only 23 and is there any chance that he could once again lit the world alight?
I don't think you're getting the point at all. We're not taking about whether Rooney is better now than he was then. The question is whether he can be as brilliant now as he was then. I don't know about Messi but he's now no longer a teenager but he's still destroying defenses for fun, with maturity and yet with brilliance. Same with Ronaldo. Kaka was doing at 25 too. Gerrard despite being overrated produces far more 'brilliant' moments these days than Rooney. The point is Rooney rarely smashes teams the way Messi and Ronaldo do. He rarely does that to anyone these days. Yes he plays well, but frightening defenders everytime he picks up the ball, it just doesn't happen anymore.Well he has not been found out really? I think I'm right to say that he has been increasing his productivity ever season since then which has in turn helped the team perform better in my opinion. He now knows when to pass more, or when to shoot and when to dribble alot more.
I still remember the contrast in attention he was getting during the 05/06 season compared to that of the 06/07 season and he still managed to bag 23 goals in the latter season. Even now he has 5 goals so far, yes he may not look as spectacular but in my opinion neither does Messi compared to when he was 18.
If you think he is an amazing dribbler now, when he first came out he would try take on everybody and 9/10 he will succeed. However, that does not help the team, you have to learn to know when to dribble and when to pass the ball and this is something Messi has confessed he has worked on. Messi has changed his game in that aspect and Barca have become even greater as a result. Rooney may not be as spectacular but he is certainly a better player as he has learned how to maximize his attributes which is a good reason we have been so successful in the last three years.
In my opinion Torres is a fantastic player but he does not contribute to games as much as Rooney does. I'm very happy with Rooney's contributions so far.
some of the stuff in this video he just doesn't seem to do anymore which is a huge shame, what could have been...
NOTE: this video is made by a everton fan so quite alot of bitterness
Rooney is only 23. Let's give him a few years to rediscover himself, or something like that
I don't know where all this Judas shit comes from, Everton aren't even our rivals.
The thing is, it's going to be very hard for him to discover himself if fergie insists on playing him everywhere except his favourite position. I know people would argue that this season fergie's playing him in his proper striking position, but then again it seems berbatov is the one who's dropping deep and not really rooney.
I don't know where all this Judas shit comes from, Everton aren't even our rivals.