If someone uses homophobic insults they are being homophobic. We don't need some kind of window into the soul before we can judge their actions.
He was absolutely robbed in footdarts though.
Serge Aurier | Spurs player
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If someone uses homophobic insults they are being homophobic. We don't need some kind of window into the soul before we can judge their actions.
He was absolutely robbed in footdarts though.
Oh no of course, I receive that every day from people I know. My friends racially abuse me daily, however I wouldn't accept it from a stranger and I would feel a way if people belittle my race privately. If Aurier called Blanc a homophobic slur, as an insult, while that person is not in the room, then of course they are against homesexuality as they are using it as if its an abomination.
pretty much what I am thinking. basically telling 3 million men in the UK that they are a joke.
The context matters.
According to Aurier, let's say the player Zlatan was the boss and the coach his servant in a certain sense; which is an anomaly for him.
Add the fact that Aurier is the kind of people who listens to rap music and comes from a place where young like to exhibit virility.
You need to watch the videos to have a better understanding of his social background: you can see him with his childhood friends...2 days before an important game against Marseille.
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According to Aurier, let's say the player Zlatan was the boss and the coach his servant in a certain sense; which is an anomaly for him.
Add the fact that Aurier is the kind of people who listens to rap music and comes from a place where young like to exhibit virility.
You need to watch the videos to have a better understanding of his social background: you can see him with his childhood friends...2 days before an important game against Marseille.
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Guez not gay for Sirigu and guez = shite.
Fiotte isn't something homophobic. " pd" " tarlouz" are, but not fiotte who is a common word for someone weak.
That's why despite the hate toward Aurier after this scandal, they called him a wannabe thug, no brain etc but NEVER homophobic.
Even his haters in France don't see him as a homophobic.
Aurier homophobic ? it's an english opinion. Not french !
I don't hate Aurier, I don't hold that video against him and I'm not against his transfer to United. But you perfectly know that he is being homophobic.
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He said "GUEZ" not "GAY""Guez" comes from the term "merguez" - slang word that means he is shit.
https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/guez
I've explained my understanding of the term in the context.
Vulgar of course and widely used by this kind of people
It isn't. Even my mother called me a fiotte because i was afraid of dogs when i was younger...
Fiotte is a common word...
Fiotte =/= pédale, tantouze, pédé...
Only english people or bias french people see Aurier as homophobic.
I agree. In the forum Culture Psg, he isn't considered as an homophobic man but rather as a brainless man IIRC
Not only on parisians website but overall in France.
I think its simple we will sign him if he is cleared of the Visa issue. I think he will be a good signing and mourinho is a fantastic man manager which blanc never was. I think he will fancy himself getting best out of aurier. Aurier doesnt seem to have football related problems just off field issues which i think can be hammered out with change of scenery. I hope we get him.
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Any tiny hope to cling on thats what us muppets do.
Any tiny hope to cling on thats what us muppets do.
I'm sure it's a term of endearment in Uruguay France.
Two things I said that what he said was homophobic, I didn't say that he was homophobic, I don't know him but he just seems stupid and rude. Secondly fiotte is literally a synonym of pédé, tarlouze, tantouse, pédale, it has an homophobic undertone like you just explained your mom compared you to a fiotte because you were afraid.
Les mots perdent de leur signification avec le temps et sont utilisés pour dire autre chose. La langue évolue avec le temps...bref.
Yes. And there is also the context.
Yeah, when black people, gays and the Irish knew their place.
Catch yourself on you muppet.
True that's why the fact that he says that Blanc deepthroats Zlatan tells you what he means, Aurier had the kindness to give us the context of his previous usage of fiotte. In order to explain that Blanc was weak and was taking everything from Zlatan, he called him a fiotte and then talked about how he performs oral sex with him.
I see "fiotte" as a a giant pussy, someone who is a massive coward. No homophobic connotations.
In isolation but not with the rest and the rest is kind of what gives you the context.
But was that not really due to lack of time to process his application?
I'm sorry but I'm not seeing it. He was being stupidly chill, the whole thing felt surreal.
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I like that, you are funny. The kind of people who listens to rap are not "extra" homophobic. we live in a homophobic society in general. Gay people have only recently had laws relaxed in the UK and in the U.S. they are still fighting for certain allowances. Football is a very unkind environment for gay people and that is irrespective of the music people listen to.
I'm not surprised we're not interested, good player but seems to have a lot of baggage and could disrupt a very good team harmony.
If you think he is homophobic or not you mist at least admit he's increadably thick.
Yes but being thick isn't a crime.
Don't forget women! Been all downhill since they got the vote.
No but assulting a police officer is, the guy is clearly right up his own ass whatever way you cut it. Sure things could work out at a different club but it's a big if. Slagging off your teammates and manager I don't think is something any supporter wants and just because he is being linked with a move to United should make fans put on Rose tinted glasses.
Ahh well do you have any info on this because anything i find says different
Mate assulting a police officer is a pretty big deal. Criminal records can stop you entering a country never mind working in one. I have a friend. I say friend loosely as he's just married to my wife's friend but he can't travel to the US for a B&E conviction when he wasn't was 19 or 20 and has failed a visa to work in Spain.
What did he say exactly in French about Blanc and Zlatan? He really doesn't seem bright but well... can Jose handle him, that's the question. There was another stupid guy called Ballotelli and he never really learned at the end.
"C'est une fiotte." and later "Il lui prend les couilles, il prend tout.", that's typical casual homophobic slur but others disagree.
So did blanc give zlatan a blowey or not?
I think we can all agree that, at a minimum, he has shown horrible judgement; both in making public comments about teammates and his manager, as well as by making physical contact with a police officer.
That said, I don't think either incident should disqualify him from playing for the club. I am sure, if asked, he would express regret for his behavio and commit to working on himself. Let's rehabilitate him.
That said, I don't think either incident should disqualify him from playing for the club. I am sure, if asked, he would express regret for his behavio and commit to working on himself. Let's rehabilitate him.
I agree, expressions tend to become a bit too common nowadays but that's certainly not neutral. However, I wouldn't be surprised if his understanding of those words were simply limited to the "making fun" part, and doesn't realize the implication.
Unless you've missed the whole thread United are interested and are awaiting the result of his case in the next few days.
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