How likely would you say a vaccines early next year would be?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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Your work are being stupid cnuts. I’d say you’re within your rights to work from home if it’s possible - in fact it’s encouraged
That might be true but the health and safety of the workers should be paramount. Ask them if they are gonna change their minds if someone ends up in ICU. I’m irritated on your behalf, very very lax from your workplace
I went for a job interview in a ‘COVID safe’ office and got the impression they just didn’t trust people to work from home. The role id be doing could definitely be done from home, at least once I’ve got up to speed at the new place.
I’m not sure if people realise but these Nightingale hospitals provide extra beds, but they will be staffed by removing doctors, nurses and HCA’s from other hospitals in that area. This is exactly what was proposed back in April.
Most hospitals I’ve worked in tend to be understaffed already with plenty of rota gaps, and winters are tough to work in. So I’m not sure how they’re going to make this work. It’s not like they’re offering to bring in more doctors to help.
If there’s no lockdown like summer, it’s going to a awful time for the NHS. It seems people are expecting to carry on as normal, and are not realising that eventually the amount of people who will need to be hospitalised will be unmanageable for the people working in hospitals.
Most hospitals I’ve worked in tend to be understaffed already with plenty of rota gaps, and winters are tough to work in. So I’m not sure how they’re going to make this work. It’s not like they’re offering to bring in more doctors to help.
If there’s no lockdown like summer, it’s going to a awful time for the NHS. It seems people are expecting to carry on as normal, and are not realising that eventually the amount of people who will need to be hospitalised will be unmanageable for the people working in hospitals.
Probably because none of them can be trusted not to go leaking everything to the press if they get any kind of time to do so.
That’s the elephant in the room. Lots of talk about pubs and schools but not much about what happened in hospitals during the first wave: cancellation of elective surgery, massively reduced services across the board.
Creating a load of extra beds/wards won’t help with maintaining the existing services. In fact they’ll do the opposite. And that’s how some of the most damaging consequences will occur.
UK Figures - 50 deaths, 13,972 new cases.
Christ yeah imagine policy being discussed openly rather than Supreme Leader Boris ruling by decree.
To be fair it's not like Boris and his cronies didn't warn us what would happen.
im glad i aint the only one thats irritated. just spoke to management - the people that were sat on that same bank of desks as the positive case are working from home for now. Suppose they have to look like there taking some measures ha.
Is anywhere actually Tier 3 then?
Bit of a joke that there's been all this talk about lockdown coming, and it's basically just the same as we were...
As usual, BoJo doing something meaningless in the big picture, so when people later try to blame him for all the deaths, he can turn around and say that he implemented measures.
Bets on ~50,000 cases a day come November?
Bit of a joke that there's been all this talk about lockdown coming, and it's basically just the same as we were...
As usual, BoJo doing something meaningless in the big picture, so when people later try to blame him for all the deaths, he can turn around and say that he implemented measures.
Bets on ~50,000 cases a day come November?
Liverpool.
So pubs have to close apart from ones that do food of course, like Spoons etc.
That's what happened last time the restrictions started and everybody went running out for one last hurrah.
Is that true?
I'm presuming the 50+ relatives in that scenario have either made the decision to shield or made the adult decision to put themselves at risk?
The grey area in this scenario are hospital and care home workers etc whereby the decisions of others are thrust upon the residents/patients on a day to day basis. I wonder whether from March there could have been some form of recompense whereby themselves and those within their households essentially shield outside of their work.
It would obviously be a real logistical challenge allowing adults to flagrantly put themselves at risk if they so choose; whilst protecting the aforementioned category. However given the cost to the economy (well into the 11 figures) and also the additional spending on job support etc (also 11 figures); plus the huge cost to the mental and physical health of the country; I'm surprised that a solution couldn't be found.
That’s far from the only grey area.
For someone who is vulnerable (which could apparently be argued to be 25% of the Uk population) how do they shield themselves when they get a haircut? Visit the dentist? Go and see their GP? Or a physiotherapist? What if they would like to spend some time with their family?
And what about vulnerable people still at work? How do they earn a living doing one of the dozens of types of job that can’t be done from home, if their co-workers are likely to be riddled with the virus?
The whole “shielding only the vulnerable” strategy puts an intolerable burden on a not insignificant proportion of the population. It’s an incredibly harsh and unfair solution. Which will likely result in enormous death/hardship regardless.
I’m considered medically vulnerable and apart from medical appointments and today’s dental appointment I don’t really see anyone other than my wife and children since March. I’m ok but I worry about the stress on my wife as she has basically bought fully into cocooning too for my sake. She hasn’t seen her family since like January (they live in England), and she works from home so not getting even to see work colleagues. It’s starting to give her anxiety. We desperately need a small break somewhere. Fcuk 2020
I've found an awful lot of employers have wilfully ignored the latest government advice as though it's somehow not as binding as the previous advice. Are you a member of a trade union? It might be worth setting one up if there is not already one at your work, because they may be able to hold your employer to account over health and safety stuff like this.
Unfortunately not, I often feel we need to be part of a Union the way we are treated sometimes. The latest advise on working from home has certainly been ignored here. Its this type of attitude that means harsher lockdowns and increased cases are inevitable. Prolonging the misery.
So the “very high” tier entails the closing of bookies and wet bars? Do we anticipate that making much difference?
So everywhere south of Leicester is apparently doing fine are they?
A union rep would also be able to ask your employers how they are monitoring productivity. I expect it's like my place, where they aren't at all, and it's just based on the assumption/personal opinion of the managers that people want to be back in the office and work better there. When I asked about monitoring, they went quiet, and while they are still 'encouraging' staff back into offices that aren't big enough to accommodate every member of staff if they all went in on the same day, they aren't enforcing it yet either.
Its kind of funny - i would question the monitoring of productivity BUT a productivity tool / macro was created about 2 months before lockdown - and it was me who created it. Talk about shooting yourself in your own foot. I could easily sabotage the excel formula's a nobody would be none the wiser but if i got caught id be in hot water.
Bad timing, that! It's great being the only person who knows how things like that work though. I used to work alone in the office at weekends, and spent the first day learning how to automate all my tasks with excel. Every weekend after that was basically a case of pressing a button then sitting back and watching TV for much of the day!
Sounds like you should be the one tracking all these COVID figures instead of Serco. Sounds like it would be in safer hands
Looks like shielding advice will be updated in the coming hours/days inline with the new three-tier system. But there are no easy answers. There is talk of shielding becoming more tailored (which is sensible) based on patient data, COVID-learnings and even an algorithm. But that won't be of comfort to everyone and many will still need/want to protect themselves. Unsurprisingly, rates of anxiety and depression are higher amongst shielders.
As early as April/May I began trying to mentally prepare myself for effectively 'writing off' the rest of the year - I guess that way I wasn't setting myself up for disappointment. Particularly given how challenging winter could/will be. I'm privileged to be able to WFH and can avoid any situation I consider too risky. Whereas some are told they are Clinically Extremely Vulnerable but have been forced into choosing between their health and their income. I really feel for those people. The impact of shielding should not and cannot be underestimated.
I fully agree that they couldn't shield in areas with community transmission. They would need to shield somewhere with no community transmission, very few cases and a full support network around them so they didn't need to shield in the traditional sense. They would no doubt have to fully and voluntarily isolate themselves from regions with community transmission.
Whether after lockdown with cases low, with aggressive focused testing and a strict internal border in a certain area of the country this could be achieved I'm unsure (with "support" staff generously compensated... Voluntary sign up of course). Likewise whether a voluntary (no-one would be forced to shield) army imposed 14 day Covid tested quarantine, combined with transport to somewhere with low or no cases is possible again I'm unsure.
Whilst I'd never want Chinese style restrictions imposed upon me or anyone I knew involuntary; we know that they work in eliminating transmission in the areas they're imposed.
All might well be stupid ideas but with money literally no object the inability to at least provide the vulnerable with an option seems absurd (hell even a 12 month cruise after the aforementioned quarantine for a few thousand people at a time!)
The Northern Lockdown.
Jobs for the boys
Tbh I feel it's the complete opposite. Is London a Tory stronghold?
no not at all but that doesn’t go along with the message that the tories want to cripple the north for bants
Do the new lockdown measure apply to boroughs or councils?
Only the rich parts except Islington. (that's a generalisation)
But why isnt everyone in the household isolating at the same time?
I cant understand this part. What if the child and parents are asymptomatic and then spreading it through their workplace
For a second I thought people were saying Labour and or Conservative voters were responsible. Now that would be an interesting question!
