Possibly. Haven't read the article but from the tweet it looks like an analysis of the language used by UK and US media. Historical events on a scale such as WW2 have a big impact on our language so it seems plausible a lot of war-related phrases and expressions are used in the anglophone world without people necessarily being aware of it. But I know it's the Daily Mail so it's probably not a sociolinguistic dissertation.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Possibly. Haven't read the article but from the tweet it looks like an analysis of the language used by UK and US media. Historical events on a scale such as WW2 have a big impact on our language so it seems plausible a lot of war-related phrases and expressions are used in the anglophone world without people necessarily being aware of it. But I know it's the Daily Mail so it's probably not a sociolinguistic dissertation.
Yep. This should be discussed in parliament first. It is ridiculous.Laura K: 'Boris Johnson to give speech on plans to ease lockdown at 7pm on Sunday'
Hell, who needs Parliament, eh?
Oh wow, they may have won coronavirus, but WE WON THE WAR!
Yep. I understand the arguments made for people needing to use park space or other spaces because they are from a poor household/feel unsafe at home or whatever but I don't get how anyone could argue that Costa or KFC is vital for them to have. They're spending on petrol, a coffee thats 10x the cost of one at home and sitting in a queue for 2 hours causing hassle. It's ridiculous.
It's because there's f*ck-all else for British leaders to brag about.
You’ve just written;
“That didn’t happen here. They did exactly what I’m saying didn’t”
The UK is a country full of inovation and the heart of global business industry, you are among the best in everything that matters. There is actually a lot of positive things to brag about, the only thing that I noticed over the years is that your media and politicians love to diminish others whether they are talking about british or foreign people and countries, they are obnoxious and not a good representation of the UK.
Oh yeah, I'm being far too damning - I guess I'm just sick of decades of trashy 'paper headlines, and of 'patriotic' politicians using the deaths & hardships of millions as a tool with which to fool the public and to bash foreign nations.
Ehm, no. At no point is the German parliament involved in the process, nor should it be in my opinion.
My point on testing was more related to our initial response to the outbreak. We were one of the first countries to 1k confirmed cases.
The fact that we were just behind USA (65x population) and ahead of UK (13x population) proves that we did a very good job in tracking down the first outbreak while those countries were busy rambling on about fake news and herd immunity.
In isolation I don't think we're doing great either in terms of testing and testing capacity but relative to other countries we're certainly in the top tier.
Perhaps my tone is off but I don't really think I am moaning tbf. Seems more like a reasonable discussion with multiple people with no arguments/ insults or condescension (so far, of course there is always time
It is happening on FB but I was referring more to the discussions on here though.
Admittedly, I don't have as much time to browse/ post as before though so perhaps I'm just landing on rare occasions of people doing it and forming an incorrect assumption.
Oh don't get me wrong i didn't mean moaning in any aggro kind of way just general complaint.
I think that is what you're doing and a few others too, just as those few complaining about the public are overblowing the issue. People don't often contextualize their words on here so it's easy for a point intended to be about a subsection to be taken more generally.
Apologies, that was my mistake. I was being sincere when I was saying I did not mean the point in any way to be a comparison vs other countries and shouldn't have engaged in any kind at all.
Its OK no problem, you don't owe me any apology everyone on here has a right to their views, I understand what you were fishing for.
One thing I hope comes out of this Covid-19 is that the workers who are doing the so called unskilled, low paid jobs; the Van Drivers, the Care home staff, as well as those low paid staff in the NHS, finally get a decent wage. I'm sure those who are the front line troops now, appreciate the community clapping and the warm words, but I'm sure they would be much happier with a regular hours and a properly paid job.
Couldn't agree more, it's annoyed me for years how in London they talk about the need for housing for key workers. Which didn't seem to include the guys on the underground and buses, the supermarket staff, the hole in the road fillers and a thousand jobs low paid council workers do that nobody notices. They don't need housing apparently.
I hope so too. People need a proper basic wage that you can realistically live on.
No surprise that the “Stay at home” messaging is about to be dropped here in the UK. Not sure if there’ll be a new slogan but I think the new messaging is going to be about social distancing and “getting Britain working again”
I get that and I get why we had a lockdown in the short term because the NHS was at risk of being overwhelmed...all of this that you are saying though, the actual science doesn't back any of it up. THe science suggests that in the longer term the economic impacts and the continuing effect of the virus itself will mean the measures we've taken here could well have cost lives rather than saved them. With science you don't just take one variable and ignore literally everything else. You would factor in the people who ARE dying because they can't get care, who are dying because of stress, mental health, not being looked after, loss of income. You factor in the many more who will fall under the same umbrella due to the economic impact of the biggest recession in history (which has been caused primarily by lockdown, not the virus). You factor in the percentage of people who have died of corona virus who would have been likely to die within the same time frame as these economic factors (what you will see is the expected death numbers will drop well below average when the virus subsides)...how many fit and healthy people have died of corona virus in the UK? I don't have an actual definite number but the figures I have seen have only been in the hundreds. You have to factor in the effect on the quiility of life for the people you are most aiming to protect. It's no good saving someone if you make the rest of their life lonely and miserable, because you aren't going to make them live forever. We'd all live longer on average for example if none of us ever got in a car again (over 25,000 less deaths or serious injuries a year straight away). We'd all live longer if none of us drunk alcohol ever again...where do you draw the line with stuff like that?
It's actually quite ridiculous how blinkered and tunnel visioned people's views are on this. The reality is we are dealing with a virus that has a mortality rate of less than 1%....and we have CREATED a global catastrophe that will take many years to fix in order to "fight" the virus...and actually when you look at the number of deaths against the mortality and infection rate it's seriously up for debate how effective these tactics have even been in a lot of countries. Look at the deaths in Germany compared to here...that is an example of an effective way to combat an epidemic vs an unsuccesful one. You can dress up the numbers how you want but there's no way that 30,000 deaths (and counting) looks like an effective strategy at this point. A strategy that causes so much damage and effect sliterally everyone so severely should be with the aim of MAXIMISING the number of people you save...not whatever half arsed attempt at something the UK have made can be called. We still can't even test people in care homes...the exact people this is meant to be to help protect.
When you go on about us saving thousands of lives a day, what are you even basing this on? There are problems here that will take years and years to resolve. There is the impending second wave which we will at present be in no shape at all to cope with. There is the fact that all these at risk people who have been locked up for 3 months, aren't suddenly going to turn healthy or no longer be at risk when you let them back out. A significant number of them will be much less healthy than before. What are you going to do towards the end of the year and every winter from now on? Keep locking them back up again? It is not a viable plan. It isn't even the basis on which to make one around.
It's not a black and white case of just hiding in the cupboard until the monster hopefully leaves the room like a majority of people seem to think it is. It's a very complicated problem, that needs some very smart people in charge of managing it and that isn't something we have had here at any point. There are data based models out there telling you that after 3 weeks a lockdown starts causing more damage than it saves. There's statistical data out there telling you that something as simple as austerity can be linked to nearly HALF A MILLION deaths. Imagine what a prolonged massive economic recession coupled with the fact it wont actually cause the virus to go away will do by comparison. If 30,000 is a tragedy what is a number that has some more zeros on the end of it? Because that's a very genuine possibility as things stand.
I'm not say this is you but anyone who has this dewy eyed view that this crisis will make the world a better place and the poorly paid are going to get a pay increase is in for a surprise. The bank of England have announced we are in for the deepest recession since the war. I dare say this makes it far more likely we will see downward pressure on wages and upward pressure on tax.
We're in for a bumpy ride and somebody is going to pay for it. Guess who that's going to be!
My generation is far more likely to use terms like “Germany/Axis/Nazis/Hitler were defeated”. My father’s generation uses the phrase “We won WW2”.
I’m actually ok with evoking memories of The Blitz if it’s contextualised and used to promote something good. The media uses it as a tub-thumping jingoistic line.
If the country actually had an announced and managed Government message and movement to: Connect small communities, create face coverings, manage grocery deliveries, protect the vulnerable and needy, educate children, and and and.... That would be great.
As it is, they’re pissing away opportunity, pointing fingers anywhere but their way, and screwing over the poor and most in need.
I’m very left leaning, but these times have really opened my eyes to why Libertarians and Right Wing folks are cut from the same cloth.
539 for all deaths in UK and 86k tested
All schools in Norway can open on Monday, with higher education following shortly after (14 days? I wasn't paying attention). Organized sports can also start up again soon.
Agree, there’s nothing wrong the blitz spirit in essence. Its the most recent real adversity the country went through and one of the most significant events in our history. My Nan lived through it in London and probably a majority of people in the UK still have a connection to it or the war like that. A couple of generations on then it will be less relevant. The Mail is writing to its (elderly) audience though.
I thought libertarians were generally considered right wing?
Yes, definitely. Libertarians are right wing, anarchists are left wing.
Not to mention people will still support a party that does nothing to address inequality in this country. For people at the bottom to get higher wages, the people at the top will have to give up profit. Which they won’t, they will raise prices, meaning that people at the bottom are no better off.
The stat about 65% of of the population thinking the government has handled the crisis well tells you all you need to know.
Ireland:
Ironic considering the Daily Mail initially supported the Germans during that particular conflict..
Ben Goldacre always gives me a bit of an ache in the balls, probably unfairly, but this is good stuff.
tl;dr
- Largest study to date, analysing NHS health data from 17.4 million UK adults between 01 February 2020 and 25 April 2020, has given the strongest evidence to date on risk factors associated with COVID-19 death.
- Among the 17.4 million adults in the sample, there were 5,707 deaths in hospitals attributed to COVID-19.
- People of Asian and Black ethnic backgrounds are at a higher risk of death and, contrary to prior speculation, this is only partially attributable to pre-existing clinical risk factors or deprivation.
- Key factors related to COVID-19 death included being male, older age, uncontrolled diabetes and severe asthma.
- A deprived background was also found to be a major risk factor: this was also only partially attributable to other clinical risk factors.
Stuck in a queue behind a whole family of 4, bikes and all for Asda. What happened to 1 person only doing the shop they stood blocking the pavement for a while as well. Move I dont wish to walk really close to you!!
They are. But I’d never quite got across their absolute love of Government power (Admittedly using the American experience) whilst paying fealty to the Head of the Gang.... while also wanting the smallest possible and most control of their own money as possible.
It speaks less to the rest of what I wrote than I’d hoped. Not quite a fully formed thought.
Is Laura actually just thick, rather than a Tory patsy?
They supported British fascist parties in the 30s but they didn’t support Germany at any point during the war.
Well, she managed to be the public face of the tory campaign and still keep her bbc job, so she can't be that thick.
Did anyone watch the briefing? Reading selective quotes it looks an awful lot like Raab suggested that the app would provide people with comfort that they didn't have the virus. Surely he didn't say that
Yeah, the hypocricy is strong in those guys. Small government, huge army. Do what you want, war on drugs. etc etc
You're right that they didn't support Germany during the war, but the bolded suggests that they never supported Nazism. That's incorrect, they celebrated Nazis and Hitler well into the 30s.
No UK hospital death data in the small print but there was 383 hospital deaths today in England with 131 of those being from April and March.