SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

[Pogue Mahone]

No UK hospital death data in the small print but there was 383 hospital deaths today in England with 131 of those being from April and March.

Never really looked at one of these closely before. Why the discrepancy between total daily tests and number of people tested? Are people getting tested multiple times in the same day?!

 

[Classical Mechanic]

You're right that they didn't support Germany during the war, but the bolded suggests that they never supported Nazism. That's incorrect, they celebrated Nazis and Hitler well into the 30s.

I don’t think it does suggest that. They supported Oswald Mosley‘s blackshirts which was a facist party in the mould of the Mussolini’s blackshirts and the Nazis but the poster specifically said they supported Germany in the war which was specific and wrong.

 

[jojojo]

Never really looked at one of these closely before. Why the discrepancy between total daily tests and number of people tested? Are people getting tested multiple times in the same day?!

I think they just mean people who've been tested previously.

That or some poor bugger is spending the day getting his nose swabbed repeatedly. In which case, I hope it pays well.

 

[Cascarino]

I don’t think it does suggest that. They supported Oswald Mosley‘s blackshirts which was a facist party in the mould of the Mussolini’s blackshirts and the Nazis but the poster specifically said they supported Germany in the war which was specific and wrong.

Misunderstanding on my part, it was does just the use of the word English.

 

[NinjaFletch]

Is Laura actually just thick, rather than a Tory patsy?

I've said that before. I think she's genuinely just a bit stupid, doesn't understand the issues she's talking about, and doesn't realise that the people briefing her have their own agendas. She's the ideal person to have her job from the governments point of view. I just don't understand how she got it in the first place.

 

[golden_blunder]

So a member of staff in my mums care home has tested positive. We’ve had to give permission for mum to be tested now. Was half expecting it but hoping they’d all avoid it.

 

[golden_blunder]

No surprise that the “Stay at home” messaging is about to be dropped here in the UK. Not sure if there’ll be a new slogan but I think the new messaging is going to be about social distancing and “getting Britain working again”

Christ. I can actually hear that in BoJos voice

 

[Tibs]

Watched the report - a scandal.

We are being led by a bunch of incompetent Get Brexit Done twats

 

[Tibs]

So a member of staff in my mums care home has tested positive. We’ve had to give permission for mum to be tested now. Was half expecting it but hoping they’d all avoid it.

Hope she's ok

 

[SteveJ]

'The UK government handed a contract to feed more than a million pupils eligible for free school meals to a company with fewer than 150 staff, which has been accused of “woeful” preparation that left children going hungry and humiliated parents.

The task, outsourced to French-owned Edenred under emergency powers without a competitive tendering process, involves distributing food vouchers valued at up to £234m.'


(Guardian)

 

[Sweet Square]

I've said that before. I think she's genuinely just a bit stupid, doesn't understand the issues she's talking about, and doesn't realise that the people briefing her have their own agendas. She's the ideal person to have her job from the governments point of view. I just don't understand how she got it in the first place.

Answered you're own question here. There's been a link between big British media establishments and the tories for years now(ITV national news editor just recently went to work for the tory party).

Having said that Kuenssberg is very similar to Marr - a genuine idiot.

 

[Penna]

So a member of staff in my mums care home has tested positive. We’ve had to give permission for mum to be tested now. Was half expecting it but hoping they’d all avoid it.

Hope she's OK, geebs. It's really hard to keep the care homes free of infection, with all the different staff they have coming and going.

 

[golden_blunder]

Hope she's OK, geebs. It's really hard to keep the care homes free of infection, with all the different staff they have coming and going.

It’s a dementia care home and most of them aren’t in the best of health. Mum has had to go to the hospital 3-4 times already this year with symptoms like mini strokes but they can never find the actual reason. She’s prone to catching stuff so if anyone is going to catch Covid it’ll be her

 

[dwd]

It’s a dementia care home and most of them aren’t in the best of health. Mum has had to go to the hospital 3-4 times already this year with symptoms like mini strokes but they can never find the actual reason. She’s prone to catching stuff so if anyone is going to catch Covid it’ll be her

Hope she tests negative and avoids it. My father in law is in one of only 2 care homes out of 70 in my city that don't have it. It just feels like you're waiting for it to happen doesn't it?

 

[Hugh Jass]

Michael Osterholm running models that say this thing wont abate till January 2022.

 

[Sandikan]

Michael Osterholm running models that say this thing wont abate till January 2022.

I'm sure that Whitty fella gazumped that on a conference the other day, by saying it'd be "forever". Now that escalated!

 

[BD]

What are other countries (i.e. not Ireland) doing about their final school, pre-college exams? Are they going ahead?

 

[Zexstream]

Has anyone seen this Plandemic movie that is being deleted off the Internet on various platforms?

It's certainly something worth watching.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/ixYeaux359dV/

 

[NinjaFletch]

Answered you're own question here. There's been a link between big British media establishments and the tories for years now(ITV national news editor just recently went to work for the tory party).

Having said that Kuenssberg is very similar to Marr - a genuine idiot.

Well yeah, that's my point. Even within those parameters and even with the pressure from the government to appoint an editor who will play nicely you'd at least think the BBC could find one from their pool of journalists who wasn't thick as mince.

 

[Zexstream]

'The UK government handed a contract to feed more than a million pupils eligible for free school meals to a company with fewer than 150 staff, which has been accused of “woeful” preparation that left children going hungry and humiliated parents.

The task, outsourced to French-owned Edenred under emergency powers without a competitive tendering process, involves distributing food vouchers valued at up to £234m.'


(Guardian)

Why is it so hard for parents to feed their own kids to begin with?

Whats a loaf of bread, jam and butter cost ? , no more than a quid Id wager.


What do these parents do in summer?

 

[Zexstream]

What are other countries (i.e. not Ireland) doing about their final school, pre-college exams? Are they going ahead?

The schools are set to reopen 2 weeks prior to the exams on July 29th for Leaving Cert Children. (those doing the exams).

However there are massive arguments ongoing with Teachers Unions complaining about PPE, safety etc, and students arguing about the unfairness of the disruption to their exams. Currently, they are being given tons of homework in attempts to catch up whilst they should now be studying for the exams which would have been in June.

Its a total mess.

 

[McGrathsipan]

It really is crazy that the UK is talking about ending lockdown already. Even if they don't, you can see in other countries that mere talk of it encourages people to ignore the rules.

Germany relaxed theirs at around 1,000 cases/100 deaths per day, Italy at 1,000/200, Spain 2,000/200. The UK is talking about doing it whilst still posting 6,000 cases and 600 deaths per day. Do they not understand how far behind everybody else they are? The relaxed lockdown has kept people happier but dragged the recovery out far longer.

They left it too long to lock down and now opening up too soon.
It wont end well.

 

[Withnail]

Has anyone seen this Plandemic movie that is being deleted off the Internet on various platforms?

It's certainly something worth watching.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/ixYeaux359dV/

Fierce smell of tin foil hat off this post.

How can we be sure this isn't just some yank talking crazy gibberish?

Care to elaborate on the content?

 

[Dancfc]

But but but the economy

Genuine question, without a functioning economy how do you propose we can adequately fund the NHS to fight potential future waves or future virus's? How do you propose we keep food on the plate of unemployed family's?

 

[Sweet Square]

Well yeah, that's my point. Even within those parameters and even with the pressure from the government to appoint an editor who will play nicely you'd at least think the BBC could find one from their pool of journalists who wasn't thick as mince.

I don't expect any sort of standard from the BBC these days.

Why is it so hard for parents to feed their own kids to begin with?

lack of money and time.

Whats a loaf of bread, jam and butter cost ? , no more than a quid Id wager.

A pot of jam cost £3.00 so you're off to a great start. Also you might want to add in some water and another 3 meals.

What do these parents do in summer?

food banks and help from family/friends.

 

[BD]

The schools are set to reopen 2 weeks prior to the exams on July 29th for Leaving Cert Children. (those doing the exams).

However there are massive arguments ongoing with Teachers Unions complaining about PPE, safety etc, and students arguing about the unfairness of the disruption to their exams. Currently, they are being given tons of homework in attempts to catch up whilst they should now be studying for the exams which would have been in June.

Its a total mess.

Yeah I just saw that they're cancelling the Leaving Cert now. The solution of using in class tests is a terrible solution I think. Really unfair.

So was wondering how other countries are coping, as I guess most countries have similar exams that will be disrupted.

 

[jojojo]

Why is it so hard for parents to feed their own kids to begin with?

Whats a loaf of bread, jam and butter cost ? , no more than a quid Id wager.


What do these parents do in summer?

Seriously? What's the vitamin/protein content of a jam butty? If you can afford the jam of course.

With universal credit pared to the bone (and beyond, if you look at real house rents versus the ones they support) there's a good chance that the jam has to come from a foodbank - and they aren't in great shape either right now.

 

[LordNinio]

I don't expect any sort of standard from the BBC these days.



lack of money and time.


A pot of jam cost £3.00 so you're off to a great start. Also you might want to add in some water and another 3 meals.


food banks and help from family/friends.

I don't think the sort of people that need help with meals are paying £3 for Jam! Asda own jam (not even smartprice) is 65p.

Not that it's the best thing to buy anyway, a bag of porridge is £1 and along with milk would do breakfast for a family for a good few days.

Edit : I'm fortunate that I've never needed a food bank or help like that. But I buy that jam.

 

[Zexstream]

Fierce smell of tin foil hat off this post.

How can we be sure this isn't just some yank talking crazy gibberish?

Care to elaborate on the content?

Someone has done a movie on the idea that the pandemic is a plandemic.

Im not saying the whole thing is a hoax but this 30-minute video seems to suggest it is with some Virologist Doctor giving inside information.

The fact that it's being deleted everywhere suggests to me something smells fishy.

Just Google Plandemic Movie and you will see lots of people discussing this.

 

[horsechoker]

Has anyone seen this Plandemic movie that is being deleted off the Internet on various platforms?

It's certainly something worth watching.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/ixYeaux359dV/

I'm sceptical about the "being deleted" part. When you say something is being "being deleted" it makes people want to see it even more so if you can making it look like it's "been deleted" then people will think there's an agenda. When people were spreading that "former vodafone boss" speaking about 5G, they told people it was being deleted off YouTube and Facebook because he was revealing top secrets when in reality it was being deleted because it was spreading false info.

 

[Zexstream]

I'm sceptical about the "being deleted" part. When you say something is being "being deleted" it makes people want to see it even more so if you can making it look like it's "been deleted" then people will think there's an agenda. When people were spreading that "former vodafone boss" speaking about 5G, they told people it was being deleted off YouTube and Facebook because he was revealing top secrets when in reality it was being deleted because it was spreading false info.

Here is the website promoting it,
https://plandemicmovie.com/


Make your own mind up, im just asking has anyone else watched it and come to any conclusions from it.

 

[Zexstream]

Seriously? What's the vitamin/protein content of a jam butty? If you can afford the jam of course.

With universal credit pared to the bone (and beyond, if you look at real house rents versus the ones they support) there's a good chance that the jam has to come from a foodbank - and they aren't in great shape either right now.

Ive been on the dole, I have had to shop cheap, its not easy but it can be done. Asda is cheap as chips for the basics.

I just amazed that so many people are reliant on free school meals, either a sign of the times, or parents do not know how to budget and spending money on Cigs and Booze.

 

[horsechoker]

Here is the website promoting it,
https://plandemicmovie.com/


Make your own mind up, im just asking has anyone else watched it and come to any conclusions from it.

clicked the link, first name is Judy Mikovits, I google the name

Judy Anne Mikovits is an American anti-vaccination activist, conspiracy theorist, and former medical researcher. She has made discredited claims about vaccines, coronavirus, and chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS).

I might check it out but I can already sense where this is heading.

 

[SteveJ]

I just amazed that so many people are reliant on free school meals, either a sign of the times, or parents do not know how to budget and spending money on Cigs and Booze.

You forgot to mention the widescreen televisions.

 

[Im red2]

I get that and I get why we had a lockdown in the short term because the NHS was at risk of being overwhelmed...all of this that you are saying though, the actual science doesn't back any of it up. THe science suggests that in the longer term the economic impacts and the continuing effect of the virus itself will mean the measures we've taken here could well have cost lives rather than saved them. With science you don't just take one variable and ignore literally everything else. You would factor in the people who ARE dying because they can't get care, who are dying because of stress, mental health, not being looked after, loss of income. You factor in the many more who will fall under the same umbrella due to the economic impact of the biggest recession in history (which has been caused primarily by lockdown, not the virus). You factor in the percentage of people who have died of corona virus who would have been likely to die within the same time frame as these economic factors (what you will see is the expected death numbers will drop well below average when the virus subsides)...how many fit and healthy people have died of corona virus in the UK? I don't have an actual definite number but the figures I have seen have only been in the hundreds. You have to factor in the effect on the quiility of life for the people you are most aiming to protect. It's no good saving someone if you make the rest of their life lonely and miserable, because you aren't going to make them live forever. We'd all live longer on average for example if none of us ever got in a car again (over 25,000 less deaths or serious injuries a year straight away). We'd all live longer if none of us drunk alcohol ever again...where do you draw the line with stuff like that?

It's actually quite ridiculous how blinkered and tunnel visioned people's views are on this. The reality is we are dealing with a virus that has a mortality rate of less than 1%....and we have CREATED a global catastrophe that will take many years to fix in order to "fight" the virus...and actually when you look at the number of deaths against the mortality and infection rate it's seriously up for debate how effective these tactics have even been in a lot of countries. Look at the deaths in Germany compared to here...that is an example of an effective way to combat an epidemic vs an unsuccesful one. You can dress up the numbers how you want but there's no way that 30,000 deaths (and counting) looks like an effective strategy at this point. A strategy that causes so much damage and effect sliterally everyone so severely should be with the aim of MAXIMISING the number of people you save...not whatever half arsed attempt at something the UK have made can be called. We still can't even test people in care homes...the exact people this is meant to be to help protect.

When you go on about us saving thousands of lives a day, what are you even basing this on? There are problems here that will take years and years to resolve. There is the impending second wave which we will at present be in no shape at all to cope with. There is the fact that all these at risk people who have been locked up for 3 months, aren't suddenly going to turn healthy or no longer be at risk when you let them back out. A significant number of them will be much less healthy than before. What are you going to do towards the end of the year and every winter from now on? Keep locking them back up again? It is not a viable plan. It isn't even the basis on which to make one around.

It's not a black and white case of just hiding in the cupboard until the monster hopefully leaves the room like a majority of people seem to think it is. It's a very complicated problem, that needs some very smart people in charge of managing it and that isn't something we have had here at any point. There are data based models out there telling you that after 3 weeks a lockdown starts causing more damage than it saves. There's statistical data out there telling you that something as simple as austerity can be linked to nearly HALF A MILLION deaths. Imagine what a prolonged massive economic recession coupled with the fact it wont actually cause the virus to go away will do by comparison. If 30,000 is a tragedy what is a number that has some more zeros on the end of it? Because that's a very genuine possibility as things stand.

Great post

 

[Zexstream]

clicked the link, first name is Judy Mikovits, I google the name



I might check it out but I can already sense where this is heading.

In the video she speaks about this, she was jailed without charge for speaking against the system.

Again, im not suggesting what she says is fact, but I can well imagine someone that does go against the system would ultimately be discredited.

I have watched it and found it interesting, im still not sold on the Hoax idea, but I do like to see alternative news and facts.

 

[Zexstream]

You forgot to mention the widescreen televisions.

I dont begrudge anyone having a TV, like I said, been there, seen it done it.

Ive actually had plenty of arguments standing up for those on the dole, just because someone has a Widescreen TV didn't mean they purchased it on benefits.

However, someone on the dole struggling to feed their children which can be done for a few quid a week should be taking a serious look at their financial management. I think you can even purchase a frozen pizza in Iceland or Asda for 45p.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Glad to see people looking into the really important issues here.

 

[Wumminator]

In the video she speaks about this, she was jailed without charge for speaking against the system.

Again, im not suggesting what she says is fact, but I can well imagine someone that does go against the system would ultimately be discredited.

I have watched it and found it interesting, im still not sold on the Hoax idea, but I do like to see alternative news and facts.

You are someone who thinks he is a lot smarter than he is.

 

[Pexbo]

I dont begrudge anyone having a TV, like I said, been there, seen it done it.

Ive actually had plenty of arguments standing up for those on the dole, just because someone has a Widescreen TV didn't mean they purchased it on benefits.

However, someone on the dole struggling to feed their children which can be done for a few quid a week should be taking a serious look at their financial management. I think you can even purchase a frozen pizza in Iceland or Asda for 45p.

You can feed your kids absolute shite for pennies, I don’t think anyone disputes that. If you want to give them the fresh vegetables and good sources of protein they need and deserve then it costs a lot more.