So certainly subject to a backlog, and you presume gets back updated?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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So certainly subject to a backlog, and you presume gets back updated?
Needs more fleshing out, but not a good sign about hydrochloriquin coming out of the VA...
They should hopefully always be empty.
They’re emergency capacity measures. If they’re empty, measures are working.
You have no clue what you’re talking about and you’ve still taken a point of position.
There are apparently many different mutations some of which are more deadly than others. New York City has been identified as having the most deadly strain whilst Washington State had a weaker strain. Think Italy were identified as having the most deadly strain too.
She’s saying that they’re bringing in intubated patients straight from ICU that are not conscious and their job is to get them breathing on their own again. I’m guessing these patients are pretty seriously ill but beyond the most dangerous point so it makes space in ICU for those in greater danger.
Absolutely sickening stuff. Even some people here said they can do what they want in their own country.
You would be tempted to go and buy them all as pets wouldn't you!
How do they even round these dogs up? Are people selling their pets?!
The previous pandemics originating from there were unfortunate, but there's no getting away from this one - something needs to change.
Yep, I’d buy the lot of them if possible.
You’d imagine most are strays and gathered up through opportunism.
Just appalling.
A few of them looked really healthy Labrador types, that can't be wild.
Just makes it even worse.
I'm surprised some of the dogs weren't looking a bit more panicked, with dead dogs on the top of their cage. Horrific.
It does make you want to get over there and storm the camp, but I suppose just like south americans who harvest and sell plants that are used for cocaine, these locals have only this way to make money.
Doesn't make it right, but explains why.
Dogs are accepting and trusting. So sad. Watching again I think you’re right. Unless they have been bred and raised for this?
What about this vaccine by the scientists at Oxford university? It seems that they are so confident that they have ordered manufacturing too.
https://covid19vaccinetrial.co.uk/volunteer
If anyone wants to register, this is the website for the Oxford University vaccine.
If anyone wants to register, this is the website for the Oxford University vaccine.
Probably just a mix of wild dogs in the main, but also a few people selling their pets in - although of course dogs as pets isn't anywhere as big a thing as in the west. Otherwise they wouldn't be selling them as meat!
They don't strike me as being the patient types to rear dogs for this? Would take too long.
I thought the same as you, but am sure I read that you have to start production as soon as possible to minimise any time lag.
Sounds bonkers logic to me, as what if they don't pass the tests!
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/health/belfast-doctor-dies-after-self-18121823
Obviously every death is tragic but stories like this really break my heart. Dying alone, because he wanted to protect his colleagues and patients.
Obviously every death is tragic but stories like this really break my heart. Dying alone, because he wanted to protect his colleagues and patients.
Or they are supremely confident.
it's better to mass manufacture loads of vaccines, worst case scenario you've wasted a bunch of expensive stuff best case you save loads of people
this should also be the case for basically a lot of metamedicinal decisions even outside pandemics, see how hard the lack of PPE has fecked us all
this should also be the case for basically a lot of metamedicinal decisions even outside pandemics, see how hard the lack of PPE has fecked us all
I think they know what they are doing. I think they are confident about it.
Hi there, it sounds like you are a healthcare professional! If you are, thank you for all that you do.
Just very quickly if you can, do you think the Nightingale was an appropriate use of the healthcare budget if the target population for its use was indeed so small? Is this population projected to get bigger in a few weeks or do you think it will almost never be used to its full extent (4000 patients)? In that case, should the government have built a smaller centre and repurposed the budget for key ITU improvements to cope better, or was there no scope for that?
Just for your info, I am a medical writer and am currently working on a project related to the economic impact of COVID-19 on healthcare budgets, so thanks a lot for your insight. If you are not a HCP, feel free to give your opinion anyway
A colleague of mine passed the medical for this two weeks ago & he starts next week.
They must be so confident to order manufacturing it now.
They're about 80% confident of success they say, and given their approach is similar to vaccines that they've produced successfully to combat some diseases before.
They really do need to change. China has basically fecked the entire world in the backside.
@Pogue Mahone either be quicker or slower with your deletes in future please
Hi there, it sounds like you are a healthcare professional! If you are, thank you for all that you do.
Just very quickly if you can, do you think the Nightingale was an appropriate use of the healthcare budget if the target population for its use was indeed so small? Is this population projected to get bigger in a few weeks or do you think it will almost never be used to its full extent (4000 patients)? In that case, should the government have built a smaller centre and repurposed the budget for key ITU improvements to cope better, or was there no scope for that?
Just for your info, I am a medical writer and am currently working on a project related to the economic impact of COVID-19 on healthcare budgets, so thanks a lot for your insight. If you are not a HCP, feel free to give your opinion anyway
I'm a GP trainee/junior doctor working in Leicester, was working in Psychiatry but re-deployed to A&E and medical covid wards. I'm also a biomedical scientist. I believe Nightingale was appropriate from the numbers we were seeing/anticipating but there were alternative avenues explored that I think would have been sufficient such as converting private hospitals, community hospitals into covid wards for overflow in addition to theatres used for elective surgical cases converted to makeshift ITU beds. I know in Leicester certainly that was an avenue being explored had we had more cases. I would have thought that for most places that would have been sufficient. I don't know whether Nightingale is logistically easier for governments and hospital trusts to build and transfer patients to.
In hotspots like London and Birmingham the rate of cases/hospital admissions was quite steep initially and we had no idea social distancing in terms of success rate so as a contingency given what we know about the disease in terms of ventilator dependance even in young patients who had no previous medical issues being a significant feature I can see the rationale of Nightingale hospitals.
All the people looking at the barbarism and unhygeinic conditions of a wet market should look at undercover farm and slaughterhouse videos from any country worldwide, including the US, Canada, Australia, Italy, etc.
What's also revealing is how different the reactions are when it's done in a fellow first-world country (all upvoted comments without responses)
from this video in Italy.
Meat-eaters who cry about Chinese animals disgust me.
What's also revealing is how different the reactions are when it's done in a fellow first-world country (all upvoted comments without responses)
from this video in Italy.
Meat-eaters who cry about Chinese animals disgust me.
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I dare say it's not pretty in any meat production factory.
But when a country has unleashed a number of pandemics, culminating in a world affecting one with no end in sight, that's where the focus needs to be.
They are absolute cnuts. I hate moral relativism masked behind a veneer of multi culturism.
You are responsible for worse every day.
That video I linked showed widespread cannibalism of dead and dying pigs by other pigs.
Mad Cow happened by cows eating infected cows in England.
If you want to discuss markets and the meatpacking industry then start another thread. Do not take this one off-topic.
"What have you got to lose?"
So are we down to 136 deaths yesterday.
How so?
"I'm a smart guy" should have been the cue to move all hopes elsewhere.
No, the majority of deaths from yesterday are yet to be reported. The main swathe will usually be reported tomorrow, gradually dwindle down to a single digit stream after about a week and peter out altogether in around a fortnight.
Your life, evidently. Who’d have thought that an immune suppressant might not turn out to be a miracle cure for a viral infection?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...away-patients?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_rif_is_fun
the reason there's so few patients in nightingale is because they don't have enough nurses working there
the reason there's so few patients in nightingale is because they don't have enough nurses working there