SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Pogue Mahone said:
Speaking of Rishi, here’s another Tory who’s coming out of this all quite well.



This was filmed 11 days before lockdown started in the UK.
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The UK should have moved earlier, I think everyone's agreed on that now, so yes, he was right. Stewart's a loss to politics, he has some strange ideas as well as good ones but I think any cabinet would benefit from his presence.
 
Brazil accelerating too. 4K new cases and 300 deaths today. And I think they don't have any lockdown measures
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Speaking of Rishi, here’s another Tory who’s coming out of this all quite well.



This was filmed 11 days before lockdown started in the UK.
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He’s got that clarity of mind only a good hit of opium can give you.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
I'd be happy to do it for John the out of work plumber, James the out of work shop assistant, and Jennie the out of work technician. I'd be happy to do it for Jill who has mobility issues or Jack who struggles with depression.

I'd be less than happy to do it for Pete the lazy Jakey bastard who only goes to the Job Center because his dealer lives around the corner, and spends his days sitting on his fat arse eating convenience store hot dogs and drinking White Lightning outside on the streets at 4am to wake up everyone on the street. feck Pete. Can we prevent him from getting the money, because in that case I'm on board with the plan.
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I'm Dan the out of work plumber. The pot wi
Pogue Mahone said:
Speaking of Rishi, here’s another Tory who’s coming out of this all quite well.



This was filmed 11 days before lockdown started in the UK.
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Wow completely agree with all he said and have been having multiple conversations in the same vein.
 
11101 said:
The opposite. There have been a handful of trials but theyve all failed.

It wont work because it will gut the lower end employment and push the prices of everything up. It's something that might work in the future when basic jobs can be automated.
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Has there ever been a real trial?
 
Wibble said:
Has there ever been a real trial?
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What do you mean real? Countries have given selected groups of citizens UBI but it has not worked as planned. The last one even ended early it was going so badly.
 
One Night Only said:
Which then ups the costs or production, which then ups the costs of the end price of product, which then makes consumer pay more for said product, so then basic income wont be sufficient anymore.

It's the same with upping minimum wage as it is now, it's just a big circle :lol:
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At each layer of the cake people will want to earn more which just increases the price of everything. I don’t think you can create a UBI because of this. If someone received £1,500 a month from UBI you can pretty much guarantee rent prices will increase straight away. Or you will have situations where people don’t want to do certain minimum wage jobs. It sounds like a great idea but the capitalist model doesn’t allow for it. And before someone says ‘well get rid of capitalism’, I can’t see that happening anytime soon.
 
11101 said:
What do you mean real? Countries have given selected groups of citizens UBI but it has not worked as planned. The last one even ended early it was going so badly.
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All of the trials I have seen haven't been a UBI. Usually only given to welfare recipients so not a UBI at all.

Even so the results over the years have often shown promise with little or no disincentive to work, improved mental health and generally the money hasn't been used to buy drugs or other things people worry about. And people forget that it doesn't matter if some choose to live in poverty on just the UBI as that is the whole point (or at least one of them), as we don't and probably never will have full employment at the current 40+hrs a week. UBI would potentially save a huge amount on administering social and pension payments, allow people to try to start small businesses and the like without having to pointlessly job hunt, and many other benefits. The hard bit probably isn't having a UBI, it is how you transition to one imo. And with the kneejerk state of politics these days the first bump in the road and we would be back to punishing people for poverty and blaming those slightly less well off than ourselves for not being wealthy - again without blaming who is really at fault (who we keep on voting for inexplicably).
 
The US throwing a tantrum now that a UN organisation isn't dancing for them.


This would be hilarious if the whole situation wasn't so tragic.
 
Prometheus said:
The US throwing a tantrum now that a UN organisation isn't dancing for them.


This would be hilarious if the whole situation wasn't so tragic.
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Regardless of what you think of the US, it isn’t deniable that the WHO have been absolutely pathetic throughout the pandemic.
 
Prometheus said:
The US throwing a tantrum now that a UN organisation isn't dancing for them.


This would be hilarious if the whole situation wasn't so tragic.
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Meh, much like the UN I'll wager they don't pay their bills anyway. I don't even care if I'm wrong. Greatest country in the world my arse.
 
NYAS said:
Regardless of what you think of the US, it isn’t deniable that the WHO have been absolutely pathetic throughout the pandemic.
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They were not nearly as bad as most countries in the world and were on top of this from the start, even though WHO is quite a bureaucratic organization run by lousy politicians. Still, they warned the world an emergency was coming, we ignored it, and there's no one to blame but us.

They do tremendous field work and some of their programs against AIDS, Tuberculosis and other diseases are basically everything the poorest countries in the world have got.

Plus they harmonize disease classifications all over the world. This may seem minor on the surface but is invaluable for medical sciences. Specially cancer research.

If they become underfunded only harm will come from it.
 
Prometheus said:
The US throwing a tantrum now that a UN organisation isn't dancing for them.


This would be hilarious if the whole situation wasn't so tragic.
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Great news. They are more corrupt than FIFA. Let their Chinese overlords pick up the tab until they do a massive overhaul and cut the political crap.
 
Arruda said:
They were not nearly as bad as most countries in the world and were on top of this from the start, even though WHO is quite a bureaucratic organization run by lousy politicians. Still, they warned the world an emergency was coming, we ignored it, and there's no one to blame but us.

They do tremendous field work and some of their programs against AIDS, Tuberculosis and other diseases are basically everything the poorest countries in the world have got.

Plus they harmonize disease classifications all over the world. This may seem minor on the surface but is invaluable for medical sciences. Specially cancer research.

If they become underfunded only harm will come from it.
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Their members and workers at the local and field level are lifesavers. The top is a very different story.
 
Arruda said:
They were not nearly as bad as most countries in the world and were on top of this from the start, even though WHO is quite a bureaucratic organization run by lousy politicians. Still, they warned the world an emergency was coming, we ignored it, and there's no one to blame but us.

They do tremendous field work and some of their programs against AIDS, Tuberculosis and other diseases are basically everything the poorest countries in the world have got.

Plus they harmonize disease classifications all over the world. This may seem minor on the surface but is invaluable for medical sciences. Specially cancer research.

If they become underfunded only harm will come from it.
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Well said.
 
Dwazza Gunnar Solskjær said:
I live in Toronto, in the province of Ontario. Canada's largest city (2.5 million) and most populous province (14.5 million). We are trying our best but have almost 500 new cases today and 43 new dead (Over 4k active cases and over 300 dead). Many of our dead are elderly folks who live in care homes and every day there are more stories of dozens of deaths being reported by these institutions. The whole country is loked down, some provinces perhaps more than others. In Ontario only essential business are allowed to be open but some critics say the list is pretty generous.
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I am stuck in the maritimes. It's not so bad so far. No deaths in NB but very strick enforcement. I hope it remains the same but most people are not keeping the distance and very few wearing a mask.
A couple of grocery stores are not enforcing the distance. Only groceries and hardware and pharmacies gas stations are open.
Keep safe buddy.
 
Arruda said:
They were not nearly as bad as most countries in the world and were on top of this from the start, even though WHO is quite a bureaucratic organization run by lousy politicians. Still, they warned the world an emergency was coming, we ignored it, and there's no one to blame but us.

They do tremendous field work and some of their programs against AIDS, Tuberculosis and other diseases are basically everything the poorest countries in the world have got.

Plus they harmonize disease classifications all over the world. This may seem minor on the surface but is invaluable for medical sciences. Specially cancer research.

If they become underfunded only harm will come from it.
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This organization ignored a warning from Taiwan.... that Tedros needs to go, now we know why china voted for him.
 
Giggs86 said:
Great news. They are more corrupt than FIFA. Let their Chinese overlords pick up the tab until they do a massive overhaul and cut the political crap.
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The UN has been acting like a mistress for the US for decades. I'd want them to cut the political crap as well, but in my opinion it's never going to happen. Much of the current blame, whoever, is manufactured. The blame people are levelling at WHO currently is based on Breitbart conspiracies that they helped China cover up stuff. What's true is that both WHO and China could have done better job in the first two weeks of January. But the UK and US had months to prepare for this, and now they are quite clearly trying to divert attention from their mistakes. I'm amazed the extent to which these countries are able to divert blame.
 
Arruda said:
They were not nearly as bad as most countries in the world and were on top of this from the start, even though WHO is quite a bureaucratic organization run by lousy politicians. Still, they warned the world an emergency was coming, we ignored it, and there's no one to blame but us.

They do tremendous field work and some of their programs against AIDS, Tuberculosis and other diseases are basically everything the poorest countries in the world have got.

Plus they harmonize disease classifications all over the world. This may seem minor on the surface but is invaluable for medical sciences. Specially cancer research.

If they become underfunded only harm will come from it.
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The USA has a position in the Executive Board. Trump has not appointed anyone to the US Chair in WHO.
So whose fault is it?
 
Prometheus said:
The UN has been acting like a mistress for the US for decades. I'd want them to cut the political crap as well, but in my opinion it's never going to happen. Much of the current blame, whoever, is manufactured. The blame people are levelling at WHO currently is based on Breitbart conspiracies that they helped China cover up stuff. What's true is that both WHO and China could have done better job in the first two weeks of January. But the UK and US had months to prepare for this, and now they are quite clearly trying to divert attention from their mistakes. I'm amazed the extent to which these countries are able to divert blame.
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They criticized the US for banning flights to China (how on Earth this comes from an organization that is supposed to be about the health).

Only three days before China locked Wuhan, WHO said that the virus is not transmitting human to human, which was laughable. Yeah, hundreds of people ate infected bats or something.

They didn't declare this a pandemic until the situation became manageable in China.

And then the disgraceful treatment for Taiwan, just check the interview with that Canadian vice-chair of WHO.

They are totally corrupted and the entire top hierarchy needs to be fired. They would find a good job in China anyway, so it is all fine for them.

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Now, don't get me wrong, President Twat is doing this mostly to shift the blame for himself. And while he was right on banning the flights to China et al., he did feck all in between to prepare for the inevitable pandemic. So, in some level, I agree that the discussion is a bit academical, probably nothing would have changed if WHO acted faster and weren't essentially doing a PR job for China. But at the same time, it needs to be the World Health Organisation, not a propaganda machine for one of the superpowers. China is very good at hiding information, no need for the other countries to pay money to some organization that then does that for China.
 
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