impossible to really say when we’re testing so few people!!
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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impossible to really say when we’re testing so few people!!
I've been the same, I've hardly been out (more than you, but still always with a mask and only for a very short time), and I've had trouble with sore throats, sniffles etc. I've felt a bit lousy, too. I reckon being inside isn't good for us.
Here's a question, few days ago did one of the health ministers state that their rough estimate of people who have had the virus is close to the late teens?
If so, that can't be right surely?
If so, that can't be right surely?
I think you can manage them with better governance and bars/pubs will realise that's what they need to do to stay open. For example in a lot of eastern europe - there's a big table culture in bars and that might be in place for a while.
Obviously they'll make less money, the fewer people are in a bar. But with limiting capacity, the demand is also going to go up quite a bit. Drinks will be more expensive & they'll make more money from bigger profit margins.
It's 5,252 today officially and about 4-5k a day.
We don't do enough testing but Italy and Spain have done quite a lot since the lockdown and are 150-200k total, UK should be in that range for total and you could say maybe 5-15k per day get infected if you could test way more in worst hit countries like UK Spain Italy France. Not sure what your question is, new infections officially or across 65 million per per week or per day?
Agree with most of it. Just a slight correction, although I am sure everyone is rather bored with Nordic countries, Finland isn't in full lockdown. We can be outside as much as we want, we can go to hairdresser or massage, some of the gyms are open, shops are open, can meet up to 10 people, although most stick to 2-4. Schools are closed as well as restaurants, which can do take-away.
It's a recipe for disaster by trying to open bars/pubs too soon. No infrastructure to check or monitor this governance either.
Seen quite a few Blair comparisons today and I’d have to agree.
I’ve been quickly pointed to his voting record which disappointingly throws up no surprises. That said, if I’m going to be governed by people with policies I disagree with, I’d rather the message be delivered the way Sunak sets about it.
Oh definitely not soon. I think they should be some of the last things to open with strict governance in place. But I don't think they're doomed till a vaccine is in place too.
I do not agree with the initial policy and I applauded when my own country introduced lockdown measures a month ago or so.
However, given the effects the lockdowns are already having on the economy and the society, I cannot see them being maintainable for long. I am now edging closer to a belief that it all depends on how soon the vaccine will be available. If it is by the end of the year, the lockdown (with changing intensity) approach may be viable.
The 18 months being mentioned? Riots, civil war, starvation, etc. The cure would be worse than the disease.
Also, "keep economy bumping along" does not mean only that the richer will be even richer. It also means that the poor won't starve. This is my main concern at the moment.
Worrying that the UK is still not increasing tests on people, the number of tests is increasing but we're not seeing the people tested get out of 13-15k a day.
This is quite shocking. Although, to be fair, may be similar picture in other badly affected countries.
I think the only way gatherings in public will happen will be with the digital health passport, it's the only way to work places like pubs/clubs i think.
But people will still gravitate to each other when they’re drunk. There’s a lot of single, horny people out there missing their hookups! Dear god there must be some balls ready to burst!
Surely that has to be deaths in care homes not being marked as Covid and ones where maybe someone has died of a heart attack Etc but was under duress by Covid?
That would be my guess too
It is the same everywhere. Economist did a story on Bergamo already on 4.4. I would imagine almost all of them are from covid, hard to see how lockdown would increase deaths by that much in such a small amount of time.
Also that graph illustrates how extremely stupid the thought of "maybe 50% of the people already have it in UK" really is. But it will be mentioned many times again in this thread.
Same here. Probably breathing in stale air. Pollen probably not helping either, just because someone has never had hay fever doesn't mean they can't get it.
And thousands upon thousands of unnecessary deaths and complete chaos. No one will attempt that.
Italy is full of beautiful places, I'd much rather take a holiday there than some of the depressing places in the UK.
I'm lucky, I don't really have that problem.
wow! It is unseasonably cool here but nothing like that.This is exactly what I was fearing/expecting to see. There was no way that every CV death was being counted as such and the only way we are really going to get an idea of the impact is inferring it from data like this.
Unfortunately it’s going to be very difficult to counter balance it with infection rate data as we will probably never have the testing capacity to assess it accurately.
Not just singles chap, in dont live with my gf, i could enter a space hopper race
Succeed or fail, No other Country could handle this as Sweden have done.
1. 50% of Swedish dwellings have only one person living in them. (That’s frankly ridiculous)
2. The populace trusts the government.
3. The populace enacts what the government asks them to do.
4. CRUCIALLY - The government is 100% transparent.
5. Nearly everyone owns a bike (Over 70% I believe). Public transport can be swerved.
No other country I can think of has that balance of things in it’s favour. Sweden is also a very clean and hygienic place compared to many countries.
I’m not saying I agree. It feels very risky. But other countries looking at a potential success story there will have a rude awakening and another outbreak if they think it’s replicable.
Hay fever!
Springs come in, lots of pollen in the air, fungus and whatnot
Your body responds the same way to pollen as it does to a virus - treats it as an invader and deals with it appropriately
I wonder how "Suspected-Covid" deaths are being counted in this.
My grandmother sadly died in her assisted living home a week ago and had her cause of death noted as pneumonia/suspected-Covid.
Now, I really doubt that her death was because of Covid - the symptoms she died of were ones that she had been suffering from for years, and there hasn't been a single case in the home/amongst the carers who were by her side 24 hours a day whilst she went through the worst of it. She may have died as a by-product of the pandemic (not being able to get hospital treatment/oxygen), but not directly.
Having been in contact with her doctor a lot over the last few months, I know that current procedure is to note any death that displays symptoms - no matter how likely - as suspected Covid if it's impossible to get them tested.
Sounds like someone needs to approach their partner and suggest some kind of video call sexy time.
I'll PM you my Skype address.
Come to Marche, it's nice here.
Indeed. That was always based on extreme wishful thinking.
Quite a surge in April.
Each country will have to look at the typical yearly and monthly average deaths and estimate the extra is covid19 related.
Each country will have to look at the typical yearly and monthly average deaths and estimate the extra is covid19 related.
Change my mind.
Guess we gonna see 2k deaths in the USA tonight.
The third reply...
"I'm at my wits end! Self employed fir 35 years. No help whatsoever!"
How would this basic income thing work? I don't understand how? Would people still goto work? Would those working get the same as those not working?
The Tories can't go down the path of UBI even if some in the party did happen to agree with it. It just won't happen as it flies in the face of too much of their public image.