SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

There's no way they've tested 54,000 in a short space of time. S Korea have managed 100,000 with loads of investment and organisation over a longer period of time. The lack of testing there also shows in the artificially high death rate in Iran.

They've basically let over 50,000 dangerous people who were confined into areas with infected people into the population. A proportion of those will also want to get out of the country. This'll go well...
 
“You will come back now won’t you?...”
:lol:

Talking to my Iranian neighbour last night and she says that tons of people in Iran must have the virus if the senior staff are dying from it, cos they don't mix with the general population much.
 
Just as a general point, if you're a religious person it has a place in every aspect of your life. If you happen to be a politician who's a religious person, you're going to pray for help in making the right decisions at a time like this. It doesn't mean you're going to disregard science.

But it makes you far more likely to. Personally I'd only ever vote for an atheist if there was any choice as I don't trust the decision making of religious people at this level - if they think their god thinks something that the evidence disagreed with then the evidence is often ignored. Our current PM and his government are a prime example, he is part of a fundamentalist apocalyptic christian cult and his government are packed with far right religious types with added science denial.
 
Am I being ridiculous?

A colleague of mine is planning on travelling throughout Japan, he leaves in a week or so. A few of us have raised concerns in our office about this as he plans just to come back to work after his travels.

I am worried as I have a 7 month old baby at home, and don't want to increase any sort of risk that he could catch the virus.

Children don't get severe symptoms and don't pass it on either. So while it is natural to be concerned there is no need to be because to kids this is just another cold virus.
 
Children don't get severe symptoms and don't pass it on either. So while it is natural to be concerned there is no need to be because to kids this is just another cold virus.

Has that been confirmed? Interesting.
 
This is what surprises me and makes me just shrug my shoulders at this thing. No reports I can see of young kids getting it. The known carriers of colds and bugs which always result in "my kid got sick at school and it spread at home".

There are a few children who have caught it in Italy including one a few months old. None have any serious symtpoms though.
 
Well ive been feeling a little feverish today (came back from Italy on the 16th) so gave 111 a call and they basically said not to worry about it. Wouldve thought they would be happy to adopt a "better safe than sorry" sort of approach, but they seem very relaxed about the whole thing.

Wouldn't put much stock in 111 personally after they told me I'm fine and to return to bed despite pissing blood at 2am some time back.I

You should be fine though.
 
Then you keep the lockdowns in place unless you want the virus to spread more?

Whats the alternative here? Just allow it to spread and let millions of people die?

Honestly, can someone enlighten me. How else do you stop the transmission of a virus that spreads before you even realise you're infected?

Actually, the only alternative is to let this play out, and as the US suits did, pray that it doesn't get worse.

There are many things you can do between shutting the world down (an collapsing the economy) and doing nothing. The key is slowing transmission to a point that health systems can cope.

Given the scale of the infection I think it is likely that this is going to be with us permanently, like all of the other coronaviruses that cause a third of colds. Immunization and resistance building up in the world's population will most likely reduce the mortality rate to something like that of influenza over the next few years.
 
That can't be right? We've heard its asymptomatic for weeks now.

If so, that's really good news.

Lots of asymptomatic people have been shown to be infected but only 1 case of someone who was asymptomatic passing it on to others. Which probably means that it is possible but far far less likely. Hardly surprising given the main means of transmission but very good news.
 
Lots of asymptomatic people have been shown to be infected but only 1 case of someone who was asymptomatic passing it on to others. Which probably means that it is possible but far far less likely. Hardly surprising given the main means of transmission but very good news.

It it not just the case that people that are asymptomatic are rarely going to be candidates for blame?

Was it the one with the mucous clogging up their face and the cold sweats or the one that looked right as rain?
 
It it not just the case that people that are asymptomatic are rarely going to be candidates for blame?

Was it the one with the mucous clogging up their face and the cold sweats or the one that looked right as rain?

There will be a degree of us not knowing when asymptomatic people pass it on but the fact that only one confirmed case has been found does suggest it is rare and mainly passed on by sneezing and the like once you are sick and symptomatic.
 
Children are certainly far less susceptible and get only mild symptoms. Which is great news.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...oronavirus-sparing-children-puzzling-n1147951

I'm sure I read somewhere yesterday that no cases of children transmitting the disease have been found either.

I believe that, but we should also bear in mind that the cases in which the source is safely identified are probably a small minority, and involving children will be even less as they don't get ill themselves. So you'll need a hell lot of data to make it statistically significant, comparably with more direct indicators.
 
I believe that, but we should also bear in mind that the cases in which the source is safely identified are probably a small minority, and involving children will be even less as they don't get ill themselves. So you'll need a hell lot of data to make it statistically significant, comparably with more direct indicators.

True, but given that kids get few symptoms with the majority probably asymptomatic and asymptomatic transmission even in adults seems to be far less common than with flu, it has to be a good sign.
 
True, but given that kids get few symptoms with the majority probably asymptomatic and asymptomatic transmission even in adults seems to be far less common than with flu, it has to be a good sign.
Definitely, if it becomes one less demographic to worry about it's awesome news.
 
Stupid question, but is hand sanitizer the same as the hand wash soap things you can buy that comes in all those different colours? Because I keep reading they're out of stock everywhere, but the £1 ones are in all the local shops near me.
 
Stupid question, but is hand sanitizer the same as the hand wash soap things you can buy that comes in all those different colours? Because I keep reading they're out of stock everywhere, but the £1 ones are in all the local shops near me.
Hand sanitisers have alcohol in them to kill germs. If you cant get hold of them, which is likely, buy antiseptic soaps like Dettol.
 
Just saw on facebook some asian guy was beat up on Oxford Street because "asians are spreading the coronavirus".

Shocking.
 
I think this will explode in India before the month ends. We'd been well isolated so far.
 
Never heard of them before, maybe it is an American twitter thing.
Look out for the Borowitz report too. Don't see it anywhere near as frequently but bloody good. I had it on my news feed and had to take it off because it kept tripping me up. Here's a recent one...

C.D.C. Director Says Coronavirus Effort Could Be Helped by Quarantining Pence
 
I think this will explode in India before the month ends. We'd been well isolated so far.

The current numbers seem too low to be true. It's quite possible we already have a high number of cases that have just not been reported.
 
I see there's talk about asking retired doctors and nurses to return to help out in the UK. I also see the the Nursing and Midwifery Council have just brought in a much quicker way to return to practice than the previous fairly comprehensive clinical and academic programme that you had to complete, which was several months long - now you can do an online theory test and an OSCE practical.

Cynical me thinks the new arrangements are aimed at combatting the effects of Brexit on the nursing workforce, but I suppose it might help now for nurses who are prepared to return in light of Covid-19. However, I don't think many older, retired doctors and nurses will be rushing back to work in these circumstances.

If we were living in the UK, I certainly wouldn't be volunteering. Retired staff are in the older age group which is at-risk.
 
I see there's talk about asking retired doctors and nurses to return to help out in the UK. I also see the the Nursing and Midwifery Council have just brought in a much quicker way to return to practice than the previous fairly comprehensive clinical and academic programme that you had to complete, which was several months long - now you can do an online theory test and an OSCE practical.

Cynical me thinks the new arrangements are aimed at combatting the effects of Brexit on the nursing workforce, but I suppose it might help now for nurses who are prepared to return in light of Covid-19. However, I don't think many older, retired doctors and nurses will be rushing back to work in these circumstances.

If we were living in the UK, I certainly wouldn't be volunteering. Retired staff are in the older age group which is at-risk.

Yeah I don't really get it. They're asking the most vulnerable group of people to come out of retirement and volunteer to put themselves in close proximity to potential virus carriers. Erm yeah...sign me up :wenger:
 
Stupid question, but is hand sanitizer the same as the hand wash soap things you can buy that comes in all those different colours? Because I keep reading they're out of stock everywhere, but the £1 ones are in all the local shops near me.

people are buying them all up, and selling them for £10 + on Ebay etc
 
Yeah I don't really get it. They're asking the most vulnerable group of people to come out of retirement and volunteer to put themselves in close proximity to potential virus carriers. Erm yeah...sign me up :wenger:
Or, you know, they can work with other patients as younger doctors and nurses work with virus-patients
 
What's i haven't realised so far is that Zlatan now lives in Milan, could you imagine his reaction if he got it?

"Zlatan didn't get a case of coronovirus, coronovirus got a case of Zlatan".