SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Good story on the Guardian about the NHS volunteering scheme still not getting off the ground. I signed up within a hour of its launch, registered and installed the app, and not had a single alert.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/10/nhs-coronavirus-volunteer-ionger-than-expected

Yeah, I signed up too and received virtually no correspondence. Decided to go with the more localised publicvoice - london last week, had a telephone interview with them yesterday and am all but setup to start calling people soon.

I think one thing that this crisis may be showing us is that a return to a more localised approach - even for a scheme like this - is far more manageable and time effective.
 
We can already have the IgG/IgM test in our hospital, but it will take a bit before we start using it. We've yet to have a recovered case here.
Was it developed in house? The performance of tests I've seen so far is not great and they are lacking in most validation data. Many are claiming FDA approval even though FDA haven't approved anything aside from giving a EUA for one company.
 
Was it developed in house? The performance of tests I've seen so far is not great and they are lacking in most validation data. Many are claiming FDA approval even though FDA haven't approved anything aside from giving a EUA for one company.
I don't know, it was just a message I got as member of our local "GMC", it didn't specify those kind of details and I'm not working in the hospital.
 
The last 3 days have been higher than any day Italy had. Death numbers are wildly inaccurate though, possibly moreso than case numbers.

It was all a novelty and a shock back then, and it was happening to somebody else. This is the new norm, half of Europe is recording hundreds of cases a day and the US is into the thousands and climbing. Media and public perspective has changed.

Moronic that we waited so long. As moronic as the company I work for thinking we're essential workers. I felt off on Wednesday - luckily I haven't gotten worse and feel better than I did then so it may have allergies or a cold. Screw Boris and his crew.
 
Was chatting to my friend who is very clued up in terms of macro economics, he said that we'll likely have an economic downturn that is bigger than 2008. For a while I thought it would be a short term shock because of all the measures that have been put in place, but he said that while 2008 affected the banks, this current crisis is hitting everyone. The government has far too many plates to keep up and it will collapse eventually.
The key is confidence. We are going to have periods of working and staying at home most likely. People aren't really going to spend money just like that. Furthermore, many of the businesses that have closed won't reopen. Then you have weak monetary policy. I am not sure the downtown and recovery will be as long as 2008. Remember, we are coming from a low base. Even beofre the crisis, the US was the only OECD country growing at a decent pace and they were piling on debt like there's no tomorrow. Europe was barely grown, emerging markets too, had problems.
 
I for one am pleased they are following the science. The scientists are more qualified than politicians when it comes down to controlling a pandemic. When the government ditch the advice, then i will panic
I am all for it but it seems like whenever a politician is hit with a challenging question it's their default answer.
 
For those clued up, how many days did we waste formulating that stupid herd mentality strategy and not asking people to stay at home?
 
For those clued up, how many days did we waste formulating that stupid herd mentality strategy and not asking people to stay at home?

I think Boris was talking about herd immunity on the 12th March, lockdown started on the 24th March?

Edit - lockdown started on the 23rd, not 24th.
 
For those clued up, how many days did we waste formulating that stupid herd mentality strategy and not asking people to stay at home?

What's the backlash been like against that in the UK, considering it was abandoned a couple of weeks in? I imagine people must be furious about it
 
What's the backlash been like against that in the UK, considering it was abandoned a couple of weeks in? I imagine people must be furious about it

General view is that the government inaction and "herd immunity" bullshit will end up having cost a lot of people their lives and that there will be some sort of reckoning about this eventually - possibly in the form of a public enquiry.

Thus far, no backlash at all, though. Most of the media have done an appalling job of holding the government to account.
 
What's the backlash been like against that in the UK, considering it was abandoned a couple of weeks in? I imagine people must be furious about it
Media too busy wanking over Boris getting up to have short walks and people are too selfish to think of anything but themselves. Britain is awful.
 
I am all for it but it seems like whenever a politician is hit with a challenging question it's their default answer.
The main thing is the government are trying to be consistent in the message. 'we are taking scientific and medical advice. Stay at home. Wash hands etc etc' Hancock admits there are problems, ive not seen him or the experts duck questions, in fact he often asks tge journo if they want to clarify more.
Thats unheard of whenever I've watched politicians before.
People seem to want definitive answers, answers regarding exact numbers of tests, exact numbers of ppe exact dates for when the lockdown ends. Thing is, every one of those things depends on so many variables and really ive not heard of any other country that has had all the answers. Germany at the moment seems to me to have had the best control over it it, but even now its too early to say that for sure.
Part of the problem is as other posters have said, we become a little impatient, what started out as unbelievable stories in each country, quickly became reality (though no less shocking might i add) our natural impatience to come through this thing leads us to question every statistic and decision. Its horrible for us all, we all want this nightmare to be over, and when people cant give answers that we want, we get arsey and frustrated.
 
What's the backlash been like against that in the UK, considering it was abandoned a couple of weeks in? I imagine people must be furious about it

To be honest, most of the British public barely gave a shit a few weeks ago. I can only go on my experiences but I was literally explaining to everyone that the government "wants you to get corona" before it decides to take any defensive approaches. This was a predicament I saw coming back in January. Shame very few others seemingly could see this happening. I feel sick to stomach witnessing these events.
 
absolutely feck all.

I cant believe people aren’t losing their minds over it.

I'm asking for context only, as I have no idea, but when did other countries implement their own lock-downs compared with the UK's? And what sort of backlash is there going on in Sweden just now? As much as they haven't gone down the 'herd immunity' road, they certainly haven't done anything like what other European countries have.
 
You mean the festival where there were plenty of hand sanitizing units, yeah i have heard of it.

Hand sanitizer is known to be fantastic for rinsing your eyes, nose and mouth out if you’re rubbing shoulders with people who have the virus.
 
I think Boris was talking about herd immunity on the 12th March, lockdown started on the 24th March?

Edit - lockdown started on the 23rd, not 24th.
So two weeks give or take. Imagine how many people got infected in those two weeks.
What's the backlash been like against that in the UK, considering it was abandoned a couple of weeks in? I imagine people must be furious about it
Haven't heard jack shit.
 
For those clued up, how many days did we waste formulating that stupid herd mentality strategy and not asking people to stay at home?
Someone posted this link a few days ago... gives a timeline of decisions/reasons. Really interesting.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-path-speci-idUSKBN21P1VF

I'm asking for context only, as I have no idea, but when did other countries implement their own lock-downs compared with the UK's? And what sort of backlash is there going on in Sweden just now? As much as they haven't gone down the 'herd immunity' road, they certainly haven't done anything like what other European countries have.
@Regulus Arcturus Black is your man
 
Oh, they are.


Yes, they are.

The mainstream media are the mouthpiece of the government, nothing more nothing less. You saw during the election what happens when someone dares to try and step outside the box and criticise the party in power (Boris replaced by a melting ice-block) - the government threaten to remove their broadcasting rights. In fact, that moment alone should have caused serious doubts in the minds of every single UK citizen but the vast majority don't give a feck really.

It doesn't have to be Stalinesque propaganda or Nazi Germany to be government control. Our media has no real freedom of speech, they are puppets of whatever party is in charge. As soon as questions started being asked about PPE, testing etc things all of a sudden went quiet and then the focus is on footballers wages and Boris in hospital and that's it. And no, I'm not suggesting for one second that he wasn't sick.
 
To Italian United fans.

Are health services free for Italian Public?
If a Corona virus patient gets released from hospital after recovery, is he going to be charged for hospital stay? Oxygen etc if he was on respirator etc?
 
You'd think a forbes journo would actually check out this stuff rather than just making an article from worldometres figures :lol:

Deaths per days since 2nd April 65, 58, 54, 67, 66, 53, 47 (although those last 2 days likely to get another 10 or so late figures added to them).

Journo has just seen 100+ for two days on Worldometer and hasn't even researched it to show that these were due to late reports which happen absolutely everywhere.

This crisis has shown how awful media really are.
 
The media aren't doing their job
Sanchez earning 600m £/w is more important
The media aren't doing their job
But why though I dont perceive them as being like the us media. Ours love a scandal dont they, but nothing seems to be being reported. Even the huge death rates are being played down by the media. Could be collective de sensitivisation to it all.