Did you or anyone around you completely lose your sense of taste and smell?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Did you or anyone around you completely lose your sense of taste and smell?
I see no evidence that this wasn't exactly what it seemed. Bat virus infects a host organism where it mutated (or most likely recombined with another virus) that was then transmissible to humans. One or more of the intermediate host organisms ended up in contact with humans and passed it on. This was either at the wet market or someone at the wet market got it from an animal and then worked at or visited the wet market where human infection exploded.
And on that point we are all going on about wet markets and eating exotic animals but deforestation and destruction of remote habitat for farming is as big if not a bigger factor.
that's a stupid and irresponsible thing to write, there's no proof or talk about those numbers, evidences show we have flattened the curve and could already passed the peak
I’m guessing there will be an explosion of cases in slums all around the world. The only hope in such countries is that poorer slum dwellers etc have much stronger immune systems. But that’s only a hopeful hypothesis.
Regardless those community’s will end up suffering the most. Most have already lost all income as they are daily cash in hand workers within informal economy so close to starving. And will also probably end up with the most heinous numbers of dead.
It has always been recorded as a possible symptom but one that occurs far less frequent that many others I believe.
Anytime I get sick the first thing that happens to me is diarrhea. I assume it's my body isolating and expelling the bad stuff.
It's the main factor. And we have pretty good examples with vampire bats who saw their habitat destroyed and diminished which has led them to feed on what replaced it, cattle and cowboys in Central and South America. And for some reason people are surprised that we have more contacts with animals that ideally don't want to have anything to do with us.
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Should lock up Carole fecking Baskin first.
The same China who were telling people there was no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV)?
Its a daft thing to tweet on 14th Jan cos things had changed by then, but it is simply a factual statement. Preliminary investigations showed no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission (because of the 2 week incubation period). China stated on 31st Dec they had identified 27 patients with a new coronavirus that were all linked to this food market, they didn't have evidence at that point to show how it had been transmitted.
Double his sentence might be better for making me watch that crappy program (until I quite ten minutes in the episode 2)
There’s no way we’re getting this under control in a month is there I mean nearly 1000 deaths today.
On 17th of January they locked down a province with more than 40 million people. 3 days after they found 'no evidence' of human to human transmission.
With the number of infections going from 27 (31of January) to hundreds when there was no evidence from human to human transmission. Give me a break, how on Earth people are falling for this?
Here is what I know:
- I've had flu several times in my life, all which felt similar
- between 15-27 December, what started with a dry cough and fever, also included periods of deep sleep, loss of smell/taste, felt like I had glass shreds in throat when I coughed which was often, sometimes felt I couldn’t get enough air into my lungs, deep and prolonged abdominal pain, traumatic mental depression, total loss of energy and constant fatigue.
- I took various OTC medicines like day/Night nurse, benilyn flu cough syrup, paracetamol. None seemed to provide any relief.
- It was the most horrifying ‘at home’ illness and certainly unlike any ‘flu’ I’ve ever had.
If I’d have these symptoms today, I’d almost certainly get admitted into hospital as a suspected covid19 patient. Instead I just assumed it was ‘flu’ and so toughed it out at home.
Anecdotally, I now know many others had same symptoms at same time. How many who knows.
If it was covid19, and some people died of it, I’m assuming those would have been recorded as simply death by flu. And as the media reports show, people died of flu in record numbers during December/January. And majority of others would have just roughed it out at home like I did, unlike many now who are going into hospital or being tested as positive cases.
I think the Government should ask a sample of those who suffered in December to volunteer for the antibody test to get the bottom of this. But they won’t, because if it proves that we did have it in December, all hell would break lose in terms of Government incompetence.
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How in the hell is Wuhan the epicentre going back to normal after 3000 deaths and the UK are recording nearly a 1000 a day something is not adding up here at all..
I know of two people, one a baby, that had had letter from the hospital they were ill in, in January to return to have further tests. Related, who knows
Because more than 3000 obviously died.
Wuhan didn't allow like-minded individuals from affluent areas to meet up for a Sunday pub lunch.
Because there have actually been significantly more deaths than 3000. China are kidding no one.
Because they live in 'prison style' tower blocks, every resident is on surveillance via mobile app, and you only get a 'green pass' which unlocks the residence gate if you've tested clean for at least 14 days. Those suspected of still being infected cant get out of their residential complex.
I've no idea how many died, but their lockdown was much more authoritarian and comprehensive than ours, as was their testing and tracking.
It was 31st of Jan when they made the statement of "For the time being, no obvious human-to-human transmission has been observed and no healthcare workers have been infected. The causative pathogen and cause of infection are still under investigation". Translated in a HK press release here: https://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/201912/31/P2019123100667.htm
Then This paper - https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30154-9/fulltext#back-bib24
- Talks about a family admitted on 10th Jan that had clearly transmitted it between themselves. I guess it was these cases that caught the attention of the Chinese government and began the drastic lockdown measures.
I don't know what others are expecting but it all seems pretty quick to me and I'm yet to see any evidence of a cover up?
But even at that the virus is showing no signs of stopping but China is completely free of it now?
I mean what the hell is going on..
China tell us what it wants us to believe.
Viruses need hosts. If you limit interpersonal contact and let things run their course you should theoretically be able to rid a population of it.
If you have affluent, like minded individuals getting together at the pub for a Sunday Sunday roast dinner then you'll give the virus plenty of hosts.
But you’d think that a spread that reached ever corner of the world would be worst where it began even with a lockdown.
Yeah but someone was asked to move from a bench this week over here so it's practically the same thing.
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That was crazy now whenever you think about it and Cheltenham I am genuinely scared now at heights this virus will reach.
I don't think you truly understand how they 'locked' down.
Wuhan 'contained' the virus spread so much better than UK has been able to do, albeit through draconian and authoritarian methods. People were literally forcibly moved into quarantine or welded into their apartments.
As @Mr Pigeon points out, we have people in UK moaning about not being allowed to sit on a park bench for 2 hours or sunbathing in the park.
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Where are people getting 19/20 being a particular bad flu season? It was miles better than both two and three years ago: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/weekly-national-flu-reports-2019-to-2020-season
I was listening to More or Less talking about this too earlier on, on how COVID-19 is killing off a lot of people who otherwise might have gone in a worse-than-average flu season.
With China they locked down hard at ~500 cases and even took infected people away to isolate from their family and had lots of tracing. Our lockdowns are like a holiday camp, France Spain Italy UK had done theirs at 200-300 deaths and thousands of cases and I don't expect the soft lockdowns to last long
We see other Asian countries doing very well but one thing they haven't done is press on with a hard lockdown so the cases are still ongoing but small numbers. China have smothered this to zero and it will probably come from outside if it starts again..
When I look at the way other Asian countries have kept the numbers very low despite having way more Chinese visitors and were hit earlier on than Europe. Germany so far doing a decent job of managing it relative to other large European countries and China with it's severe enforcement, the numbers all look commensurate to the actions, technology and preparedness.
South Korea's outbreak is like a mini version of what happened in Wuhan China and shows what can be done when you zero in on it except with China they have clamped down until it's run to an end while SK like others in Asia have heavily limited it but it's creeping along the bars and clubs in the younger populace. To truly stop the virus quickly it has to die with its hosts and be fought off by the body in strict isolation. What we have in Europe is a bit of damage control to help the services.
We see other Asian countries doing very well but one thing they haven't done is press on with a hard lockdown so the cases are still ongoing but small numbers. China have smothered this to zero and it will probably come from outside if it starts again..
When I look at the way other Asian countries have kept the numbers very low despite having way more Chinese visitors and were hit earlier on than Europe. Germany so far doing a decent job of managing it relative to other large European countries and China with it's severe enforcement, the numbers all look commensurate to the actions, technology and preparedness.
South Korea's outbreak is like a mini version of what happened in Wuhan China and shows what can be done when you zero in on it except with China they have clamped down until it's run to an end while SK like others in Asia have heavily limited it but it's creeping along the bars and clubs in the younger populace. To truly stop the virus quickly it has to die with its hosts and be fought off by the body in strict isolation. What we have in Europe is a bit of damage control to help the services.
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I think all this Germany talk is a myth.
They are managing treatment well, it seems, because they have a low death rate.
They still have 113k cases. Nothing to be proud of. Their containment is as shitty as anyone's in Europe.
They are managing treatment well, it seems, because they have a low death rate.
They still have 113k cases. Nothing to be proud of. Their containment is as shitty as anyone's in Europe.
Whatever the numbers might really have been, there's surely no way that the Chinese government would risk opening up Wuhan now unless they were pretty confident they could manage and contain the virus from here on out.
The health code app and gps tracking will be playing a central role, and honestly something similar will probably be needed in all countries to get things moving again while monitoring and tracing potential further outbreaks.
The health code app and gps tracking will be playing a central role, and honestly something similar will probably be needed in all countries to get things moving again while monitoring and tracing potential further outbreaks.
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Maitlis nails it. Respect
Pretty clear isn’t it? I’m sure we may have had a few cases before the UK’s first recorded case but, seeing hospitalisation timelines and numbers in every country, to think it was here running loose through the population since December is pure fantasy.
ICU’s would have been overrun weeks before now and we’d be in a terrible mess.
I know quite a few people who are saying ‘I reckon I had this over Christmas’ or something similar. Dunno, they either want bragging rights or are trying to convince themselves they’re immune or something.
I had a mild cold and chest infection about 5 weeks ago but I’m assuming it wasn’t this virus and I’ll assume the same until I’ve had an antibody test. Until that day I’m taking social distancing really seriously.
Just had a virus expert on the morning news here, he reckons Stockholm is “likely” up to 30-40% infected already.
Crazy numbers if so, 30% would mean almost 700,000 people.
Crazy numbers if so, 30% would mean almost 700,000 people.