The harsh reality is that any relatively wealthy country that doesn't achieve public health outcomes as good as those that South Korea achieved, has had someone criminally negligent making (or not making) decisions. I do not even think the blame lies in politicians, but in a particular group of doctors, Public Health specialists. Judging from the sample in Portugal, they are way behind the pace their counterparts in other specialties.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Aye, the model was wrong they said.
Still not sure how the twerp Boris should know that if an expert team from a leading country like the UK is advising him?
It's not analogous but Harold Wilson resigned unexpectedly in ill health, later being diagnosed with cancer and early onset Alzheimer's. He was one clever bloke, many suspect he knew, sadly.
This is huge. It feels like the princess Diana news in its magnitude. I hope he pulls through, but he's obviously been working hard while being unwell, which isn't good. I fear the worst.
Whatever your political affiliations, knowing another human is in such a precarious state of health can't possibly be entertaining or funny can it?
Totally agree. Politics shouldn't matter now, but unfortunately the Tories have underfunded education for so long, that's this is what we get. Or something.
I’m guessing Johnson would’ve entered intensive care much prior to the stage at which a random person would.
There was plenty of experts they could have chose to listen to which would have given them good advice. They chose the experts with the advice they preferred. All the talk back then was “more lives will be lost through the economy“. That was always a bollocks argument and completely underestimated the threat of this virus.
Aye.
Operation Last Gasp apparently got a giggle a short time ago.
As a leader of one of the most established countries in the world I'd have hoped he would taken a look around Europe and wondered if those experts were up to scratch.
"I feel completely confident for the government as it stands tonight, my concerns are for Boris Johnson, I have personal friends for a good friend. "
What does Ian Duncan Smith mean by this?
What does Ian Duncan Smith mean by this?
Two temporary thread bans so far...any more?
Yes and no.
South Korea have a degree of intrusion into public life that many countries in Europe don’t allow. Here we don’t even allow CCTV on the street pal.
Many drugs (including the one you mentioned, the malaria druh Trump mentions, and a few HIV drugs) have been used successfully. The problem is that right now it is extremely hard to know if it was the drug who ceased the infection, or it was the immunity system of that person. For this reason, there are (I believe) 52 trials of different drugs going on, after which it will become clear if the drugs are effective or not. Hopefully at least one of them shows to be effective (if it is the malaria drug even better, cause it is quite cheap and easy to mass-produce).
Yes, you are chatting shit again.
What did he say?
Maybe he meant feelings?
What? They didn’t ”chose”, the advise came from The Chief Scientific Adviser to the Government of the United Kingdom and his team.
If he meant personal feelings, what does he mean by that?
So Denmark are making a mistake?
Cheers. Its going to be a shock for many if he doesn't pull through.
Another silly Sky question if anyone knows: What's this Editor at large thing? Never heard them say that before.
Sexy time I guess. Prob misquoted in reality.
It depends on what stage. I think that some European studies showed that mortality jumps to 40%, while in China it was around 90% (though that was at the very early stage of the disease spread). In either case, it looks pretty bad.
You still think the best plan here is to infect the entire population, but slowly and controlling the numbers, so health service can admit everyone before being overwhelmed, so you are still wrong. That's only a solution once you already fecked up and turned late to the party deciding your economy is more important than human lives, so you are trying to find ways to fix it up.
11730 infected
1099 hospitalized
270 ICU
311 Fatalities
1099 hospitalized
270 ICU
311 Fatalities
Jesus. Can't abide the man's politics, nor his arrogance and ability to consistently stumble upwards but it's still another person in grave danger.
I think the problem lies in basing your entire points by cherry picking what certain countries are doing to prove a point and it rubs posters up yhe wrong way.
As if they are right and the rest of the world are wrong.
Do Sweden and Denmark have more experts than the rest of the world?
Is the origin of this as obvious as it appears?
I actually thought the best plan was to completely cut off China in January.
Seems only really Taiwan did a good job.
What possible advantage do we have knowing the private minute by minute health care of a man in a serious condition? We do not need to know at this time. People are just fecking nosey.
They were selective with the research and models which underpinned their decisions.
That depends on the exact nature of the lockdown they already have and the exact nature of the measures they are planning to roll back. I do not know them in detail.
Why aren't you discussing Sweden anymore? I said no one would be stupid enough to say "I told you so" in something as tragic as this, but you tempted me beyond reason.
My wife was tested as positive today, she had barely any symptoms outside of body aches so it's really fortunate. But it goes to show how varied it can be when it affects people.
Really hope Borris pulls through.
Really hope Borris pulls through.
You asked if the idea of people dying could be funny, I showed you how it apparently can be to some people. Take it up with the funnyman responsible.
Boris isn't my cup of tea but feck I'm worried for him. Really am. Praying the goofy fecker pulls through.
Didn't realise your chances were that bad once you hit ICU, feck those odds
There is still a significant variation in those odds - with intubation, patient's personal health, how ill they are etc.