SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Never said he was prefect but lets look at the figures on the ground shall we, lets start with umemployment, lets add to that pulling out troops from hotspots around the world that the lefties agenda started, lets talk about moving American manufacturing all over the world while depriving people in the heartland of good honest jobs. The list goes on. Hell but the lefty media thinks all Trump supporters feck their sisters :) The Irony on calling names is lost on some.

Unsustainable governance. It is comparable to going on a 4 days camping trip, eating all your food the first day. Feeling great the next day. Then feeling hungry the two last days.

Obama at least had the sense to listen to experts regarding aspects he had little to no expertise. Trump does not only have little to no expertise in medicine and large scale pandemic logistics etc, he is even worse in that he claims to be an expert, spreading information that could cause more people to get infected, and makes it up as it goes.
 
Really welcome Trump has never been called a name by anyone on Redcafe honest, its the truth I tell you the truth.
So you’re just giving out to people for the sake of it and it turns out nearly all disliked Trump doesn’t say much for him does it..
 
Unsustainable governance. It is comparable to going on a 4 days camping trip, eating all your food the first day. Feeling great the next day. Then feeling hungry the two last days.

Obama at least had the sense to listen to experts regarding aspects he had little to no expertise. Trump does not only have little to no expertise in medicine and large scale pandemic logistics etc, he is even worse in that he claims to be an expert, spreading information that could cause more people to get infected, and makes it up as it goes.
Which Pandemic did Obama oversee oh was it SARS. He had the sense to kill Gaddafi and cause Libya to implode, not to mention Syria oh and gave North Korea access to a nuclear bomb. Lets not talk about Globalization shall we when the heartland of America bled.
 
Never said he was prefect but lets look at the figures on the ground shall we, lets start with umemployment, lets add to that pulling out troops from hotspots around the world that the lefties agenda started, lets talk about moving American manufacturing all over the world while depriving people in the heartland of good honest jobs. The list goes on. Hell but the lefty media thinks all Trump supporters feck their sisters :) The Irony on calling names is lost on some.
Jesus. Just stop digging that hole.
The fact you keep licking his arse and calling others lefties shows where your loyalties lie.
Hoarding the ventilators and PPE gear? MAGA
Outright dismissing Covid19? MAGA
Calling for everything to reopen for Easter because it’s the best time? MAGA
I could go on and on. The guy is a Wild West cough mixture salesman. He’s a narcissistic moron of the highest level.
 
Unsustainable governance. It is comparable to going on a 4 days camping trip, eating all your food the first day. Feeling great the next day. Then feeling hungry the two last days.

Obama at least had the sense to listen to experts regarding aspects he had little to no expertise. Trump does not only have little to no expertise in medicine and large scale pandemic logistics etc, he is even worse in that he claims to be an expert, spreading information that could cause more people to get infected, and makes it up as it goes.
And sticks his son-in-law in charge of the task group to tackle Covid. Yet another bluffer cut from the same cloth who even his college classmates said was a bit dim. It’s scandalous
 
Jesus. Just stop digging that hole.
The fact you keep licking his arse and calling others lefties shows where your loyalties lie.
Hoarding the ventilators and PPE gear? MAGA
Outright dismissing Covid19? MAGA
Calling for everything to reopen for Easter because it’s the best time? MAGA
I could go on and on. The guy is a Wild West cough mixture salesman. He’s a narcissistic moron of the highest level.
Have you not done your homework on Cuomo why was the mayor of New York so unprepared. No he never called for it to be open but hoped it would be positive thinking. CNN sensational headlines you believe.
 
Have you not done your homework on Cuomo why was the mayor of New York so unprepared. No he never called for it to be open but hoped it would be positive thinking. CNN sensational headlines you believe.
Jog on on pal. EVERYONE was unprepared but Trump is literally sitting on stockpiles of ventilators. It’s scandalous! Anyway this is the wrong thread so I’ll stop at this
 
Could the amount of antibodies or the effectiveness of them vary depending how ill you were?

I can see those recovered from hospital or were close to phoning the ambulance and have been very rough for two weeks have a lot to fight it off with but those with next to none or mild symptoms I wonder if they could fight off a heavy dose in general or be safe on a covid19 ward. Seems the dosage is a key part and if gets down into the lungs.
 
Could the amount of antibodies or the effectiveness of them vary depending how ill you were?

I can see those recovered from hospital or were close to phoning the ambulance and have been very rough for two weeks have a lot to fight it off with but those with next to none or mild symptoms I wonder if they could fight off a heavy dose or be safe on a covid19 ward. Seems the dosage is a key part and if gets down into the lungs.

That's a good question but not one that can be answered now (no resources). We barely having testing kits and PPE sadly let alone doing post condition analysis.
 
Could the amount of antibodies or the effectiveness of them vary depending how ill you were?

I can see those recovered from hospital or were close to phoning the ambulance and have been very rough for two weeks have a lot to fight it off with but those with next to none or mild symptoms I wonder if they could fight off a heavy dose or be safe on a covid19 ward. Seems the dosage is a key part and if gets down into the lungs.

Antibody concentration decreases over time from what I know. But the more often you get exposed to it, the higher concentration remains

2223_Primary_and_Secondary_Antibody_Respons_new.jpg
 
That's good to know @Skills, thanks.

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Think we'll have to do lots of blood tests, can't rely on China for much. Have read so much that has been sent to France, Spain etc has been mostly useless. We need to start making equipment even if it costs more and stock these supplies.
 

Think we'll have to do lots of blood tests, can't rely on China for much. Have read so much that has been sent to France, Spain etc has been mostly useless. We need to start making equipment even if it costs more and stock these supplies.

Seems like quite a basic error to make.

Which begs the question, why is Hancock making such a basic error, costing UK money but more importantly precious time that we don't have?
 
That's good to know @Skills, thanks.

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Think we'll have to do lots of blood tests, can't rely on China for much. Have read so much that has been sent to France, Spain etc has been mostly useless. We need to start making equipment even if it costs more and stock these supplies.


Well that's typical. But props for trying though. If I'm being honest, I would've been more critical if they did work and we found ourselves at the back of the queue to get our hands on them.
 
That's good to know @Skills, thanks.

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Think we'll have to do lots of blood tests, can't rely on China for much. Have read so much that has been sent to France, Spain etc has been mostly useless. We need to start making equipment even if it costs more and stock these supplies.


i'm pretty sure we won't be paying for tests that don't work. not even Hancock is that stupid.
 
Seems like quite a basic error to make.

Which begs the question, why is Hancock making such a basic error, costing UK money but more importantly precious time that we don't have?

Because they're desperate.
 
Seems like quite a basic error to make.

Which begs the question, why is Hancock making such a basic error, costing UK money but more importantly precious time that we don't have?

You'd hope they tested a batch before ordering the full amount, maybe they did but there's a huge bidding race worldwide to get anything.
 
Rassmussen is the most pro Trump polling company and they have his approval rating at an all time low and his disapproval rating at an all time high:
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/pu...p_administration/trump_approval_index_history


Hi approval rating was tied to his stream of rallies which have now had to stop and coincidentally his approval rating has dropped too:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/05/politics/trump-approval-poll-of-the-week/index.html


If Trump can't organise his cult gatherings between now and November it's going to hurt him massively and help Biden massively.
He is doing a COVID update daily. As things get better they will transform more into rally speeches. Republicans can even enact more voting shenanigans or postpone the election entirely. I know the last part is unlikely but you never know with Turtle and Trump. In short nothing is going to hurt him, he is bulletproof.
 
i'm pretty sure we won't be paying for tests that don't work. not even Hancock is that stupid.

Sounds like they work. They just don't do what we need them to do. And the discepenacy between the two scenarios is quite large

So my question is why didn't MoH know that before ordering them?!

Because they're desperate.
Do you think MoH is ordering everything it can lay its hands on, and just hoping something sticks? Sounds shambolic.

Why not just copy what Germany has used?
 
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Seems like quite a basic error to make.

Which begs the question, why is Hancock making such a basic error, costing UK money but more importantly precious time that we don't have?

Once this is all over and the inevitably inquiry occurs into the handling of Covia 19, the mess up over all aspects of testing will be pretty easy to flag up.
 
Do you think MoH is ordering everything he can lay its hands on, and just hoping something sticks? Sounds shambolic.

Why not just copy what Germany has used?

A bit. It's kind of like a boxer being on the back foot all fight, realises he's about to lose so is desperately hoping to land a haymaker.

Germany are doing the standard tests. But they've been increasing their testing capacity for a long time now (compared to us). They're kind of like the fighter who's constantly been jabbing away, keeping them in the fight.
 
Antibody concentration decreases over time from what I know. But the more often you get exposed to it, the higher concentration remains

2223_Primary_and_Secondary_Antibody_Respons_new.jpg

So there is only a narrow window to do antibodies testing for someone who is in quarantine waiting to go back to work?
 
Well that's typical. But props for trying though. If I'm being honest, I would've been more critical if they did work and we found ourselves at the back of the queue to get our hands on them.
Yeah, I don't fault the buying of them, but they were presented as being ready within weeks to show they were taking action, which was dumb.

Also, glad to see that Whitty has recovered

 
A bit. It's kind of like a boxer being on the back foot all fight, realises he's about to lose so is desperately hoping to land a haymaker.

Germany are doing the standard tests. But they've been increasing their testing capacity for a long time now (compared to us). They're kind of like the fighter who's constantly been jabbing away, keeping them in the fight.
Turns out Britain can't just take it on the chin.
 
It was obvious at the time that the press conference where they called them game changers was all bluster. It just didn't match up with what was being said at the committee briefings at the time, another example of the likes of Vallance following a government spin line in the public briefings. Someone probably made a nice chunk of money off the market response to that.

Anyway as someone above said at least they're trying. I won't criticise proactive behaviour too much.
 
Germany is expected to follow Austria in loosening some restrictions. According to an internal paper, the government is planning to reopen the retail sector, restaurants and in some regions schools as well. The earlierst possible date for this would be 20 April. Prerequisite for this is that the infection rate stays below 1. Merkel is holding a press conference later so maybe some of this will be announced.
 
So there is only a narrow window to do antibodies testing for someone who is in quarantine waiting to go back to work?

Depends on how good your test is, right? If it relies on a high concentration on antibodies being present then yes. If it's still capable of detecting lower concentrations, then you're fine.

But once you do have the antibodies, you don't necessarily need to worry about your immunity at least for the short-medium future. Your immune system is quite efficient.
 
Never said he was prefect but lets look at the figures on the ground shall we, lets start with umemployment, lets add to that pulling out troops from hotspots around the world that the lefties agenda started, lets talk about moving American manufacturing all over the world while depriving people in the heartland of good honest jobs. The list goes on. Hell but the lefty media thinks all Trump supporters feck their sisters :) The Irony on calling names is lost on some.

He called this a Democratic Hoax, doing campaign rallies & Golfing until Mid March.

He literally is playing with lives by putting states that are 'nice to him' to the top of the list while fecking over New york because the Governor has a difference of opinion.

In times like this Countries need to unify to stand together and put differences aside. He is the least likely to do that, the evidence is there, one speech is enough for those with a hint of common sense to come to the conclusion that Trumps a fecking moron. How on earth do you bankrupt a casino.

His handling of this has been dreadful. I'd take Boris and his goonies any day of the week. Only Bolsonara of Brazil and that guy of Belarus have handled this crisis worse.
 
Excellent news re: Austria and Germany. Obviously, not all countries will be following suit in exactly the same way but it's good to see countries getting on top of the situation and having a well-informed, positive outlook for the near future. Hoping we all start seeing light at the end of our own tunnels over the next few weeks.
 
That's good to know @Skills, thanks.

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Think we'll have to do lots of blood tests, can't rely on China for much. Have read so much that has been sent to France, Spain etc has been mostly useless. We need to start making equipment even if it costs more and stock these supplies.



I think that one of the few pluses that will come out of this tragedy is that countries will realise that some manufacturing simply cannot be farmed out. Globalisation has drawbacks. I can see that in the U.K. we will up our game on testing labs for example and not rely so heavily on Roche in Germany. Similarly I think we will home produce our masks. On reflection that the NHS was buying virtually its entire annual stock from a French company is ridiculous particularly when as happened the French government understandable requisitioned the entire production including a large order destined for the U.K.

Not being critical of any country that looks after its own first as has happened but nations cannot be so dependant on accessing resources from outside their own borders when the world is clamouring for them.

Hopefully as well we will at last take a long look at the NHS and crucially including social care provision and levy an adequate tax rate on all of us.
 
Is it me, or does opening retail shops and restaurants in Germany and Austria seem really soon? I mean, there are still 150+ daily deaths in Germany, and 4000+ new cases. I can understand this will drop down in the next few weeks, but making comitments like that seems... early.
 
Is it me, or does opening retail shops and restaurants in Germany and Austria seem really soon? I mean, there are still 150+ daily deaths in Germany, and 4000+ new cases. I can understand this will drop down in the next few weeks, but making comitments like that seems... early.

They're still going to be some of the last things to open. I think they'll only open them up once they believe their testing capacity is enough to manage the infection within the community.

There's still time to go between now and when they've committed, which they can use to observe the change & see if they might need to extend it a bit.
 
Is it me, or does opening retail shops and restaurants in Germany and Austria seem really soon? I mean, there are still 150+ daily deaths in Germany, and 4000+ new cases. I can understand this will drop down in the next few weeks, but making comitments like that seems... early.


Yeah it does a bit but it's not set in stone, if things look iffy they can put the date back a bit and play it by ear and continue to use social distancing measures.