SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Not sure if this has been posted but it is extremely positive news.

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/anti-parasitic-drug-kills-covid-19-in-lab-c-955457

Significant reduction in 24 hrs with complete elimination in 48 hrs is extremely promising.

That it can move straight to human trials is potentially very important in that if there is a safe dosage that will kill Covid in humans can be known quickly. Fingers crossed.

Another good news is coming out of China about asymptomatic cases being 80% of the cases.

https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj...ampaign=usage&utm_content=daily&utm_term=text

I think those figures need to be treated with extreme caution. The majority of those people are probably not asymptomatic but pre-symptomatic when they take the test. They may then get mild or severe symptoms later. Truly asymptomatic people will, in the majority, get it and recover without knowing it and without being tested. An antigen test at a later date will be the way to confirm this, but we won't know yet.
 
That it can move straight to human trials is potentially very important in that if there is a safe dosage that will kill Covid in humans can be known quickly. Fingers crossed.



I think those figures need to be treated with extreme caution. The majority of those people are probably not asymptomatic but pre-symptomatic when they take the test. They may then get mild or severe symptoms later. Truly asymptomatic people will, in the majority, get it and recover without knowing it and without being tested. An antigen test at a later date will be the way to confirm this, but we won't know yet.
Indeed. The tests are from 1st of April, so plenty of time for some of them to get symptoms later. If another two weeks pass and they don't get symptoms, then that is really huge news.
 
My local tescos has made the entire store one way and blocked off certain entrances to aisles. Literally the most stupid thing going as it just forces everyone to go into the same spaces to navigate the store. Also makes doing the shop an absolute ballache and much longer than it should.

Make a list, get your essentials then get the feck back home.

People meandering back up and down the aisles pisses me off at the best of times, I wish all supermarkets were "one-way".
 
This mask stuff is about to do my head in.

I don’t even know if I should be wearing gloves at this point, but if I go get food without either it feels like people will be looking at me like I am a danger to society.
Wear gloves if you have them. Wear a mask if you have it. Use sanitiser when you're out if you have it. I have only one mask, I've been using it for whole of the time here in Italy. I come back from the shop, I hang it outside in the fresh air for a few hours then I bring it back in. I don't use it every day.

There's no point members of the public debating the finer points of mask-wearing, as you can't get enough to be able to throw them away every time you use them and the health staff need the best ones. Everyone I see is wearing something over their nose and mouth, be it a tatty mask or a scarf.
 
Assuming there is no structural damage to the mask, can you keep reusing it without washing as long as you leave it for a certain amount of days between use, until the virus dies?

EDIT never mind, just saw @Penna's post above that answers my question :)
 
Stand 2 metres apart (more if possible) and cough into your elbow if you feel one coming on.
With what we know of novel coronavirus that should suffice. Its conjecture how much they prevent community spread. Social isolation and distancing will prevent this thing way more than mass mask-wearing will, what effect that has is variable (depends on the person, adherence, ensuring that mask itself doesn't serve as a vector and is replaced - as they have a short shelf-life)
I haven't seen many doctors in the UK talk about lack of population-level mass mask-wearing as a significant contributor to or exacerbating feature of this pandemic
 
There are many conflicting reports, but so far no one has come out with definite evidence of how long in can live on metal and damp surfaces as we don't have that many tests and information.

By the look of it China has contained it and not many reports of newly registered cases (however I'd take that with a pinch of salt) and whilst the risk of contamination of the products might be really low(or maybe non-existent) the quality control is very poor, especially when you consider the high demand and the little to no time those masks needs to be manufactured, sealed and shipped.

Generally it's advisable to buy masks that are imported from the government at batches so if they are crap you at least can regulate and stop the distribution right away, rather than buy it from unknown sources and distribute it to friends/family, etc.

Dont trust chinese data alone. But they're in common with japan singapore south South Korea, those countries that take their government seriously.

Singapore, south korea, japan, german, countries that's well known to be efficient with their job too posting a better number.
 
Assuming there is no structural damage to the mask, can you keep reusing it without washing as long as you leave it for a certain amount of days between use, until the virus dies?

EDIT never mind, just saw @Penna's post above that answers my question :)
It's just a case of making do - I wouldn't normally ever recycle a mask in that way!
 
It's just a case of making do - I wouldn't normally ever recycle a mask in that way!

Yeah, better than nothing I'm sure. I have an old one around the house in good nick which will do me for the limited times I have to venture out. I have ordered a few more from China which are probably fake but will at least offer some protection hopefully.
 
Am reading that Ivermectin killed 99.8% of the virus within 48 hours in the lab (not tested in humans yet). Is this something to get excited about or far too early still? Have other drugs also shown similar results in the lab?
 
https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...na-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf

It's the widely accepted number from most studies that 80% of the people show mild symptoms and never know they are infected.

I didn't quite understand your second question, though, sorry.
I suspected the number of asymptotic people were quite high ever since the Valencia squad got their results back. I know they went to Milan (to play Atalanta) but still for 35% of a squad previously showing no symptoms to have it is pretty damm high!
 
Am reading that Ivermectin killed 99.8% of the virus within 48 hours in the lab (not tested in humans yet). Is this something to get excited about or far too early still? Have other drugs also shown similar results in the lab?
Many things can kill the virus outside of a host. Hopefully something like this works but I'm not counting on it.
 
They are having circa 100 deaths per day (and only 3.3k in total) which is kind of unbelievable. They were hit very early and very hard, some of their high level officials die (which probably means that it was very spread), they have the same population as Germany, are in relative poverty, have large families, yet somehow their deaths lag behind Italy/Spain/France/UK. Looks kind of fishy.

I’m absolutely sure that Iran’s official numbers are not a true reflection of their situation.* By a long way. But I don’t think this necessarily means they’re lying about it, just that they don’t have the infrastructure and capacity to accurately measure the true depth of their crisis. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are over ten thousand deaths due to Covid-19 in Iran which have gone under the radar simply because the authorities are overwhelmed and don’t actually know the true figures.

For what it’s worth (not much to me as it happens) the weird opposition MEK group estimates Iran’s true death toll to stand close to 17,000.

*(edit): reports now suggest the same is true of certain other countries, though perhaps not by the same magnitude.
 
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I’m absolutely sure that Iran’s official numbers are not a true reflection of their situation.* By a long way. But I don’t think this necessarily means they’re lying about it, just that they don’t have the infrastructure and capacity to accurately measure the true depth of their crisis. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are over ten thousand deaths due to Covid-19 in Iran which have gone under the radar simply because the authorities are overwhelmed and don’t actually know the true figures.

For what it’s worth (not much to me as it happens) the weird opposition MEK group estimates Iran’s true death toll to stand close to 17,000.

*(edit): reports now suggest the same is true of certain other countries, though perhaps not by the same magnitude.

Video is in spanish but basically in Ecuador (Guayaquil in particular) they are leaving the corpses on the street sometimes 5 days and end them burning. In another video that I can't find, a politician said that they are trying to remove more than 100 corpses a day when ecuador only register (the whole country, not only Guayaquil) 145 right now.

If in Italy is difficult to register all the deaths, imagine those countries with less resources. We underestimate the infected official numbers vs the reals but as well with the deaths and for quite a lot. One day the numbers will resurface and with be even more apaling
 
Interesting stories coming out that america have been hijacking orders of facemasks due for canada and france, even to the point of diverting the orders en route. Quite rightly Canada and france are outraged. Then i came across this article :

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...WMAN6BAgIEAE&usg=AOvVaw3anTrQKSL7sf1vx1S3fsTK

Basically, puts into perspective how every country is probably doing the same thing
Im surprised there hasnt been more news reports about why there are such shortages and how countries are actively preventing other countries from getting supplies rather than just banging on about the lack of ppe.

This to me is just the tip of what could be a bigger story when ( and if) a vaccine is developed. It will be a free for all bidding war, highest bidder first situation with countries stockpiling way more than they need, while poor countries cant get the bare minimum. I would like to see some debate as to the planning for when a vaccine is developed, before it actually is, so as to have a workable plan in place.
 
What was the death toll in Italy yesterday?
Is it decreasing?

766 deaths
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Slight increase from previous days. I'd say it's leveling off and has been back and forth in the 800-700 range.

Good news is the daily cases have dropped to 4.5k from 6.5k. Deaths will have a long lag time.
 
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Not sure if this has been posted but it is extremely positive news.

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/anti-parasitic-drug-kills-covid-19-in-lab-c-955457

Significant reduction in 24 hrs with complete elimination in 48 hrs is extremely promising.

Another good news is coming out of China about asymptomatic cases being 80% of the cases.

https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj...ampaign=usage&utm_content=daily&utm_term=text

Sounds like they're just trying everything. Even Marmite is worth a shot.
 
Interesting stories coming out that america have been hijacking orders of facemasks due for canada and france, even to the point of diverting the orders en route. Quite rightly Canada and france are outraged. Then i came across this article :

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...WMAN6BAgIEAE&usg=AOvVaw3anTrQKSL7sf1vx1S3fsTK

Basically, puts into perspective how every country is probably doing the same thing
Im surprised there hasnt been more news reports about why there are such shortages and how countries are actively preventing other countries from getting supplies rather than just banging on about the lack of ppe.

This to me is just the tip of what could be a bigger story when ( and if) a vaccine is developed. It will be a free for all bidding war, highest bidder first situation with countries stockpiling way more than they need, while poor countries cant get the bare minimum. I would like to see some debate as to the planning for when a vaccine is developed, before it actually is, so as to have a workable plan in place.


The same happened with 150 respirators that Spain paid and when it was about to take of from Istanbul, Turkey hijacked all of them + other material for themselves.

Is war and will leave deep scars in international relationships.
 
766 deaths
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Slight increase from previous days. I'd say it's leveling off and has been back and forth in the 800-700 range.

Good news is the daily cases have dropped to 4.5k from 6.5k. Deaths will have a long lag time.
766 and still 4000 in a serious/critical state so doubtful it'll decrease for a while yet.
It’s more of a straight line at the moment but they are past the worst, I believe.
Thanks guys.
I am still hoping there’s a breakthrough in potential vaccine.

If scientists find a vaccine in next two-three weeks, how long it will take to reach the world, especially densely populated poor countries?
 
Thanks guys.
I am still hoping there’s a breakthrough in potential vaccine.

If scientists find a vaccine in next two-three weeks, how long it will take to reach the world, especially densely populated poor countries?
A vaccine will take like 18months to develop at best, not 2-3 weeks.
 
I’m absolutely sure that Iran’s official numbers are not a true reflection of their situation.* By a long way. But I don’t think this necessarily means they’re lying about it, just that they don’t have the infrastructure and capacity to accurately measure the true depth of their crisis. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are over ten thousand deaths due to Covid-19 in Iran which have gone under the radar simply because the authorities are overwhelmed and don’t actually know the true figures.

For what it’s worth (not much to me as it happens) the weird opposition MEK group estimates Iran’s true death toll to stand close to 17,000.

*(edit): reports now suggest the same is true of certain other countries, though perhaps not by the same magnitude.
There's no way countries like india or african countries will have the infrastructure to test and count the deaths from this
 
A french professor talked about this months ago now and slowly he's turning heads in France after being considered as a mad man at first.
@JPRouve I just watched on LCI a doctor say that we should consider the reluctance of many of doctors have of using plaquenil+azythromicine as caused by the presure they are put under big labs who are racing for a vaccine. Imaginine curing most covid 19 cases with cheap medicine, I'm sure it would piss off some greedy cnuts at the helm of certain companies
 
Thanks guys.
I am still hoping there’s a breakthrough in potential vaccine.

If scientists find a vaccine in next two-three weeks, how long it will take to reach the world, especially densely populated poor countries?
About a year at best. There’s no miracle to this, we’ve just gotta ride it out best we can.
 
A french professor talked about this months ago now and slowly he's turning heads in France after being considered as a mad man at first.
@JPRouve I just watched on LCI a doctor say that we should consider the reluctance of many of doctors have of using plaquenil+azythromicine as caused by the presure they are put under big labs who are racing for a vaccine. Imaginine curing most covid 19 cases with cheap medicine, I'm sure it would piss off some greedy cnuts at the helm of certain companies

I'm bit skeptical of pharmacy company making super normal profit out of the corona vaccine, whoever comes out with it first.

You'd imagine ANY government in the world would force them to release the formula for mass production.The amount of pressure from worldwide community would be too huge if certain pharmaceutical company choose to be exclusive with it, there will be riots on the streets if those medicines are only for the rich.

Right now people are somewhat accepting that shit happens, imagine if there's people dying and there lies the medicine but only if you can afford it. You can be sure riots and looting will happen.
 
A french professor talked about this months ago now and slowly he's turning heads in France after being considered as a mad man at first.
@JPRouve I just watched on LCI a doctor say that we should consider the reluctance of many of doctors have of using plaquenil+azythromicine as caused by the presure they are put under big labs who are racing for a vaccine. Imaginine curing most covid 19 cases with cheap medicine, I'm sure it would piss off some greedy cnuts at the helm of certain companies
I dont think its the same med as the french doctor said. This one is different although parasite medicine only.

I also have this suspicion about pharam companies using their lobby to delay the trial. Although now since Trump has mentioned it, maybe that mad b**tard end up doing one good thing of finding whether it works or not
 
Sorry if I'm being pedantic, but what you've written is not strictly true.

Four starting premise:
1. Covid19 spreads 'person to person' OR 'person touching contaminated surface with hand and then placing near mouth, nose or eyes'.
2. People touch their face 200+ times a day.
3. Masks are effective at capturing droplets, which is a main transmission route of coronavirus, and some studies have estimated a roughly fivefold protection versus no barrier alone . https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ect-me-from-coronavirus-covid-19-myths-busted
4. The evidence says mask reduce likelihood of covid19 airborne particles from entering your mouth or nose, but not 100% guarantee .

Scenario:
Let's say I'm infected but asymptomatic, so not in strict quarantine but following social distancing. When out of home, wearing mask stops me from spreading covid19 particles onto my hand, which I could then spread onto surfaces, which others would later touch eg: (eg a shopping basket, trolly or a door handle). Next person who touches surface also not wearing mask, then touches mouth/nose and could get infected.
In that instance, wearing a mask helps me not to spread covid19, and not wearing mask has acted as a 'spreading' agent, and would contribute to infecting others.

Scenario: Let's say I'm uninfected. I wear a mask outside. Unknowingly I touch a surface in a shop where covid19 was alive (eg a shopping basket, trolly or a door handle). Because I'm wearing a mask, it reminds me not to touch face with hand until I get out of shop or get home. After I leave shop or when I get home, I wash hands with soap or use 60%+ alcohol based hand sanitiser. Then take off mask and can touch my face without risk.
In that instance, the mask has acted as a 'protection' barrier, and most likely saved me from being infected.

Honestly this is my gut instinct, it's just quite hard when looking through the science papers to find a lot of good evidence to support it. I think the problems are the types of masks, surgical masks probably aren't that great at preventing the size of particles. as there's no real seal around the face to stop the virus being drawn around the sides of the mask when breathing.
 
I'm bit skeptical of pharmacy company making super normal profit out of the corona vaccine, whoever comes out with it first.

You'd imagine ANY government in the world would force them to release the formula for mass production.The amount of pressure from worldwide community would be too huge if certain pharmaceutical company choose to be exclusive with it, there will be riots on the streets if those medicines are only for the rich.

Right now people are somewhat accepting that shit happens, imagine if there's people dying and there lies the medicine but only if you can afford it. You can be sure riots and looting will happen.
That's what he said and he's been dealing in that world for a long time. I'm taking anything he says as gospel but he makes a good point in the way that if there is a way to significantly slow down the covid spread without a vaccine and based on cheap (and old ) medicine then certain labs won't stand to make as much money as they could.
I dont think its the same med as the french doctor said. This one is different although parasite medicine only.

I also have this suspicion about pharam companies using their lobby to delay the trial. Although now since Trump has mentioned it, maybe that mad b**tard end up doing one good thing of finding whether it works or not
You're right, not the same meds but at least based on available meds in the market. We see some of the worst aspect of humanity in these times from random nobodies (people with covid spitting at others as a tiny example) so yeah the big pharm companies trying to financially gain from this wouldn't be a surprise at all