Am I missing something? I think this goes beyond incompetence, this is malice.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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Am I missing something? I think this goes beyond incompetence, this is malice.
Not really a surprise that deaths are not capturing everyone. Unless everyone is tested post death, a lot will be missed. And then there will be a decent amount of additional deaths as a result of Covid-19 taking up resources that would have otherwise been able to save people normally. I highly doubt those deaths will ever be classified as a result of the virus.
Realistically the only true indication of the actual death toll will be from comparing number of deaths between the year before with this years. That should at least show a trend and spike.
Realistically the only true indication of the actual death toll will be from comparing number of deaths between the year before with this years. That should at least show a trend and spike.
I’m positive for Covid19 as of yesterday. I’ve been dealing with so many patients recently that any one of them may have given it to me. I’ve worn a (surgical) mask every single time I saw a patient, wore gloves, asked them to look the opposite direction while I take bloods from their arm.
I’m feeling pretty damn rough. The headache is nauseating and constant. The dry cough has become more frequent. I’ve bought a pulse oximetry device that should arrive today as that’s the best indicator of when you’re starting to go downhill.
Our hospital was about to abolish “specialities” from next week too. Everyone becomes a Covid doctor and assigned a random ward every week.
There was a meeting on Tuesday that I missed that said that the hospital are expecting 150 to a 1000 Covid patients to be admitted within the next month or so. Shits getting real in Wales (although the Newport area seems to be the worst hit in the UK going by “per capita” or something like that).
I’m feeling pretty damn rough. The headache is nauseating and constant. The dry cough has become more frequent. I’ve bought a pulse oximetry device that should arrive today as that’s the best indicator of when you’re starting to go downhill.
Our hospital was about to abolish “specialities” from next week too. Everyone becomes a Covid doctor and assigned a random ward every week.
There was a meeting on Tuesday that I missed that said that the hospital are expecting 150 to a 1000 Covid patients to be admitted within the next month or so. Shits getting real in Wales (although the Newport area seems to be the worst hit in the UK going by “per capita” or something like that).
Take care. Hope you get well soon.
Stay rested and healthy mate, you and your colleagues are fecking heroes and I hope that will never again be forgotten.
If you don't mind me asking, was this the first time you were tested or has there been a semi-regular testing programme for HCP exhibiting symptoms in your hospital?
I was just saying the same to the missus
You are totally correct - just joking to lighten my stressful day
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Best wishes of recovery. It's unfair that the people who work in the medical field are also the ones who are very exposed to contamination
Unfortunately surgical masks offer little to no protection against the inhalation of droplets produced from sneezing/coughing by infected patients.
Shoot, that sounds pretty serious. Really hoping for your full recovery.
Get well soon
Really sorry to hear this, @Hernandez - BFA, I hope your symptoms improve soon.
Appreciate the kind words guys. I’m calm about it, just need to be sensible and realise the stage when I may need to escalate things. Majority of people won’t need hospital admission so hopeful I fall in that category
Yeah first time I’ve been tested. To be fair, they were pretty quick about the whole thing. I rang my “line manager” saying I had fever, a dry cough and a sore throat and within a few hours I had a call from Occupational Health saying that I had a test the next day.
Yeah first time I’ve been tested. To be fair, they were pretty quick about the whole thing. I rang my “line manager” saying I had fever, a dry cough and a sore throat and within a few hours I had a call from Occupational Health saying that I had a test the next day.
You're a hero. Get well soon!
Get well soon.
Take care man.
Take care buddy, we are all thinking of you, I'm not too far away from you so when this all blows over and life starts to come back to normality I'm taking you for several beers!!
May very well hold you to that!
Get well soon,man.
Get well soon!
What could be an apt word to describe being fed-up with Covid news?
I'm that.
Maybe coverload? I dunno.
I'm that.
Maybe coverload? I dunno.
Best wishes take care of yourself.
Wishing for Covexit?
Papers across the spectrum absolutely hammering the government today and not before time.
Sick of hearing what a "great job they're doing".
Sick of hearing what a "great job they're doing".
Why do people insist on comparing apples and oranges?
All the very best @Hernandez - BFA
I can only imagine they didn't want a mutiny on their hands when all the other nurses were unprotected, but still yes, this is unacceptable.
Godspeed man, wish you a swift recovery. I am sure you'll be fine in good time, but stay safe. My sister's family are currently recovering from it - they were not tested so of course, we don't know for sure, but there is a definite infection chain that can realistically be traced for them and she's a GP so is well-placed to know when something is not just the flu. Luckily, they all suffered mild symptoms for the most part, they had 2-3 days of being very rough but now are well on the road to being back to normal. She's finally braving the food shop today, they've been quarantined for around 10-14days I think altogether as a family.
Because people don't think logically most of the time. Even less so when stressed.
Yeah you can see that for the opening period of the outbreak the papers were acting as the mouthpiece for the government (which I firmly believe to be the case all the time to be honest, no different to most other countries) but now things have gotten very serious indeed, they can no longer lie to the people and defend their masters. I don't think the government have done entirely badly, they have tried to do some good things but overall yeah they've botched it.
Why is this an apples and oranges scenario? Surely it’s really directed to By the governments responses to the pandemic?
1 appears to have been hugely successful whilst one far less so.
Within one of the guardian articles about testing of the NHS workers self-isolating they said from the small sample that only 15% were infected.
It's a small sample so you can't conclude too much but these are people at higher risk of contact so at 15% the idea that's its widely spread amongst the general population but they just don't know seems very unlikely.
I liked your raw data and I had been following it since the beginning, thank you. It helps to get a picture of the situation. But I believe that the graphs that I had been positing everyday and that today @Sweet Square posted STEALING MY feckING JOB!!!
steal that @Sweet Square
My point was the implication that now Spain has hit a plateau suddenly UK should be out of nowhere. I've shown in the figures 1-2 weeks ago Spain had a large increase day after day, that's where UK is at right now. It would be like me plotting the graph 1-2 weeks ago for Spain with the same headlines saying Spain should be plateauing at 300-500 deaths because this other country is now plateauing, that would be silly and it's what FT have done.
Ill join!
Get well soon BFA! do you think it’s worth others buying a pulse oximetry incase?
It's testament to how talentless this government are that they put so much effort into avoiding criticism...and even fails at that.
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I haven't looked at the FT graph, but the later hit countries do seem to be plateauing earlier as they learn from the experiences of countries like Italy.
Appreciate the kind words guys. I’m calm about it, just need to be sensible and realise the stage when I may need to escalate things. Majority of people won’t need hospital admission so hopeful I fall in that category
Yeah first time I’ve been tested. To be fair, they were pretty quick about the whole thing. I rang my “line manager” saying I had fever, a dry cough and a sore throat and within a few hours I had a call from Occupational Health saying that I had a test the next day.
Thanks for the response, the fast response is slightly better than some stories I have heard and at least at this stage in the crisis we have enough testing kits where they need to be that front line staff can get a next day test if they exhibit multiple symptoms.
My mother works for the local CCG and their reaction has been along those lines- the existing hospital departments are responding well to schedule tests and manage shifts and rotas to keep the service as well manned as possible, but they are limited by the larger scale planning and national logistics, which have left an awful lot to he desired (too few tests and too late).
In an ideal world you would have periodic testing for all HCP and cleaners so that they can isolate when they are infectious before exhibiting symptoms and then return to work when they have recovered.
It's difficult to know how prepared any country can truly be for an unprecedented global pandemic, but if the people paid enormous salaries to plan for events like this have been asleep at the wheel or ignored by policymakers and that has endangered front line staff, then there should still be accountability and lessons should be learned.
I hope you make a speedy recovery and can enjoy a spell of much needed rest without feeling one iota of regret for being temporarily sidelined and taken from the front line continuing the fight. Get well soon.
The YouGov data is quite illustrative on the other side of that discussion: what the average person thinks.
Obviously Asia are more accustomed to it than Europe in general, but in the likes of Italy, France and Spain there's been a huge uptake in just two weeks. 26% of Italians said they wore a mask on March 11th, by March 25th that had jumped up to 70%. In Spain it went from 5% to 42% over a similar period, and in France it went from 5% to 22%. In the Northern European countries there's been essentially been no movement, hovering at around 1-5% in the UK, Germany, and the Scandinavian countries.
Interesting that Singapore are completely unlike their neighbours in that sense.
I think it's a scandal that we had plenty of warning but due to a complete shambles of an approach the UK is in line to be one of the most disastrously impacted countries in the world from this with a death rate much higher than many other developed countries. Now perhaps is not the time to be looking for heads to roll but when all this is over this will have to be looked at.
Damn. Look after yourself fella, hope you get well soon.