SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Wibble said:
Isolate who? Everyone?
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I think some sectors of business should be isolated or measures put into place to minimise risk. Any offices should look to working from home or have plans in place for what looks like could be a formality at this rate. Retailers should already be looking to reduce opening hours temporarily, some shopping centres open until 8/9/10 in the UK and it's not really necessary.As already mentioned any couriers/postmen could present a massive threat in infection and should be tested, It's a lot of work I know.
 
van der star said:
I know the situation is grim and people have been affected in worse ways but this stupid virus has just cost me a scientific publication and a specialization in orthopedic surgery, and to top it off I'll have to self quarantine myself for the next few days because I was exposed to a patient last week.
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Are you still in Norway?
 
Our team is 100% functional working remotely so I don’t know why we haven’t got the shout yet to work from home. I don’t fancy taking a packed train in and out of work when it’s not necessary
 
Maxii said:
Our team is 100% functional working remotely so I don’t know why we haven’t got the shout yet to work from home. I don’t fancy taking a packed train in and out of work when it’s not necessary
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We could also do anything from home we do in the office - we work at home twice a week anyway. One thing is if they do tell us to work from home at any point should we morally not socialise outside work in public places?
 
Utdstar01 said:
I think some sectors of business should be isolated. Any offices should look to working from home or have plans in place for what looks like could be a formality at this rate. Retailers should be looking to reduce opening hours. As already mentioned any couriers/postmen could present a massive threat in infection and should be tested, It's a lot of work I know.
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On the other hand, if you reduce retail opening hours, the shops will be more crowded. It's a fine balance between telling people not to stockpile and telling them to shop less often.

There's obviously a massive amount governments can do, in terms of encouraging/ordering good practice, but they also need to make good practice by individuals possible by putting the money on the table.

A lot of couriers, delivery drivers etc are on zero hours or similar minimal sick pay contracts. Even a lot of hospital and care workers are in that category - and others will be on statutory sick pay rules only. A couple of weeks of self-isolation or months of limited hours working will leave them struggling to pay for housing/food unless the laws/benefits are changed.

In other words some of the people we'll be most dependant on if self isolation or limited contact working become standard need protection. Until I see them changing the SSP and benefit rules, I won't believe they're serious.
 
Can someone give me advice- I have a flight from Auckland to London in May for my best friend's wedding (returning in June). My ticket transits through Guangzhou. What's my situation? Am I likely to have problems at China or London's end? The only info I have been able to find is about visiting China, not transiting through it.

Transits are 3.5 hours there, 8 hours on the way back.
 
AaronRedDevil said:
I legit think I have it. Yesterday morning I couldn't barely breathe, have headaches and at least no cough, but have a fever. Ive been a bit sick these past few days but I'm probably being paranoid. Dunno who to ring. I'm from cork. No way it's even here yet surely. Is it possible to get a virus from a package? I bought something from Amazon. Ever since, I feel so fecked up right. I've never in my life felt like this. It is a tiny bit worrying
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Key indicators. Coughing? Temperature?
 
sglowrider said:
Key indicators. Coughing? Temperature?
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Had it all yesterday. Coughing, temperature, breathing problems when I woke up at 5am. I'm ok now, still have a bit of a temperature and body feels weird, tingling. Dont want to waste a GP or ambulance time if it's just a normal sickness.
 
AaronRedDevil said:
Had it all yesterday. Coughing, temperature, breathing problems when I woke up at 5am. I'm ok now, still have a bit of a temperature and body feels weird, tingling. Dont want to waste a GP or ambulance time if it's just a normal sickness.
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Have you called the non-emergency line? It's important to if you haven't already not only for your own benefit but for the benefit of others in the scenario where you do have it.
 
jojojo said:
On the other hand, if you reduce retail opening hours, the shops will be more crowded. It's a fine balance between telling people not to stockpile and telling them to shop less often.

There's obviously a massive amount governments can do, in terms of encouraging/ordering good practice, but they also need to make good practice by individuals possible by putting the money on the table.

A lot of couriers, delivery drivers etc are on zero hours or similar minimal sick pay contracts. Even a lot of hospital and care workers are in that category - and others will be on statutory sick pay rules only. A couple of weeks of self-isolation or months of limited hours working will leave them struggling to pay for housing/food unless the laws/benefits are changed.

In other words some of the people we'll be most dependant on if self isolation or limited contact working become standard need protection. Until I see them changing the SSP and benefit rules, I won't believe they're serious.
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In affected areas of Italy the government has ordered weekend closure for all shopping centres over a certain size and advised businesses to ensure people keep at least 1 meter away from each other.

What has been done in Italy will in a week or so provide a fairly good indicator of how far other European governments need to go. There have been a lot of restrictions but nowhere near what there was in China. If cases start to drop here then others just need to mimic us, but if not we will know much tighter controls are needed.
 
AaronRedDevil said:
Had it all yesterday. Coughing, temperature, breathing problems when I woke up at 5am. I'm ok now, still have a bit of a temperature and body feels weird, tingling. Dont want to waste a GP or ambulance time if it's just a normal sickness.
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Make sure you wear a mask when you go out. You will survive but the elderly folks you come into contact with may not.
 
AaronRedDevil said:
Had it all yesterday. Coughing, temperature, breathing problems when I woke up at 5am. I'm ok now, still have a bit of a temperature and body feels weird, tingling. Dont want to waste a GP or ambulance time if it's just a normal sickness.
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Get it checked, that thing of not wanting to waste doctors time could just end up with you fecked. If you're not sure, make sure, for your own sake and everyone elses.
 
AaronRedDevil said:
Had it all yesterday. Coughing, temperature, breathing problems when I woke up at 5am. I'm ok now, still have a bit of a temperature and body feels weird, tingling. Dont want to waste a GP or ambulance time if it's just a normal sickness.
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Call your Doctor. Dont go there. Your Doctor will tell you what to do if they think you Need a test for the Virus and tell you where the test will be done.
 
SmashedHombre said:
Can someone give me advice- I have a flight from Auckland to London in May for my best friend's wedding (returning in June). My ticket transits through Guangzhou. What's my situation? Am I likely to have problems at China or London's end? The only info I have been able to find is about visiting China, not transiting through it.

Transits are 3.5 hours there, 8 hours on the way back.
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Sorry SmashedHombre - I think whatever the situation is now, May is too far away to be able to speculate on what it will be then. Guanngzhou is way down in the South compared with Wuhan in the North nearer Beijing in any case so it might be possible to hope it will be contained well away from the area you'll be transiting. Hoping being positive of course.

Good luck.
 
Latest from Italy as of this morning (non-paywalled article):

The number of confirmed cases of the new coronavirus in Italy has nearly doubled in the last 48 hours, the head of the country's civil protection body said on Sunday evening.

As of Friday evening, the figure was 888.

Since the start of the epidemic, 1,694 people have tested postive for COVID-19 including those who have died and those who have recovered, Angelo Borrelli told a press briefing.

Five more people died on Sunday, bringing Italy's death toll to 34 all in the northern regions of Lombardy, Emilia-Romagna and Veneto.

Of 779 people who were still in hospital on Sunday, 140 were in intensive care, Borrelli said.up 1,100 on Saturday.

The number of cases has reached 1,689 since the start of the epidemic on Friday February 21st.

That number includes around 60 people who had been infected but are now fully recovered.

On Saturday Angelo Borrelli, head of Italy's civil protection department said only around half of the number of confirmed infections were clinical.

The non-clinical cases have few or no symptoms, and are not in hospital but in isolation at home.

Official figures said 105 people were receiving intensive care hospital treatment as of Saturday.

80 of the most serious cases are in the northern Lombardy region, which is at the centre of the outbreak.
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https://www.thelocal.it/20200302/coronavirus-cases-italy-latest-numbers
 
6 new cases in Belgium, one in the hospital where my stepfather gets his weekly chemo and is having a scan tomorrow. He has terminal pancreatic cancer, so that's an extra worry.
 
Penna said:
Latest from Italy as of this morning (non-paywalled article):


https://www.thelocal.it/20200302/coronavirus-cases-italy-latest-numbers
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The health department is saying it will be 7-10 days before they expect to see the results of the control measures, i.e 2 weeks since they started. If cases are still rising at the same rate in a week then it's a problem.

They started off well but there has been a lot of pressure to overturn the more restrictive measures since then, and a lot of Italians i know are not bothered about following them in the first place.
 
11101 said:
The health department is saying it will be 7-10 days before they expect to see the results of the control measures, i.e 2 weeks since they started. If cases are still rising at the same rate in a week then it's a problem.

They started off well but there has been a lot of pressure to overturn the more restrictive measures since then, and a lot of Italians i know are not bothered about following them in the first place.
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This seems to be the biggest problem overall(exept China who control their population in a different way), not just in Italy i think.
Even if we land on a mortalityrate bellow 1% and most people who dies are older and sick from before, people need to understand that even if its not to dangerous for them, they still can spread it to someones grandmother or similar.

So i really hope healthy people who ”dont belive the hype” still do what they can to help others.
 
SmashedHombre said:
Can someone give me advice- I have a flight from Auckland to London in May for my best friend's wedding (returning in June). My ticket transits through Guangzhou. What's my situation? Am I likely to have problems at China or London's end? The only info I have been able to find is about visiting China, not transiting through it.

Transits are 3.5 hours there, 8 hours on the way back.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/...-advice-china-hong-kong-safe-what-do-holiday/

The Google result shows this as a snippet of the article:
China remains the epicentre of the coronavirus, but is it safe to travel? ... February 19 are advised to isolate themselves and call NHS 111 even if they do ... Travellers flying via China or Hong Kong onward to destinations in ...
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I'm not a registered member so I can't see what comes next. If you want to register to read the rest of the sentence, I'll leave that up to you.
 
sullydnl said:


Edit: Name of the school was already circulating online and has now been confirmed by journalists. Stupid to think it wouldn't immediately get out, stupid to even try and conceal it.
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I'm not sure which school they meant in this article but 4 schools near me have been shut today and a confirmed case from a student at Churston Grammar school who went skiing in Italy during the half term break.

Churston Grammar school is less than 1/2 a mile from my house.
 


It’s probably too late now, but they really should restrict any travel to Italy, Iran, South Korea for the time being.
 
ha_rooney said:


It’s probably too late now, but they really should restrict any travel to Italy, Iran, South Korea for the time being.
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Oh feck off. Great. The school which is 5mins away from me gets the coronavirus.
 
Dante said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/...-advice-china-hong-kong-safe-what-do-holiday/

The Google result shows this as a snippet of the article:


I'm not a registered member so I can't see what comes next. If you want to register to read the rest of the sentence, I'll leave that up to you.
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No beans I'm afraid. Full sentence reads:
Telegraph said:
Travellers flying via China or Hong Kong onward to destinations in south-east Asia or Australia should check if their flights are affected.
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jojojo said:
On the other hand, if you reduce retail opening hours, the shops will be more crowded. It's a fine balance between telling people not to stockpile and telling them to shop less often.

There's obviously a massive amount governments can do, in terms of encouraging/ordering good practice, but they also need to make good practice by individuals possible by putting the money on the table.

A lot of couriers, delivery drivers etc are on zero hours or similar minimal sick pay contracts. Even a lot of hospital and care workers are in that category - and others will be on statutory sick pay rules only. A couple of weeks of self-isolation or months of limited hours working will leave them struggling to pay for housing/food unless the laws/benefits are changed.

In other words some of the people we'll be most dependant on if self isolation or limited contact working become standard need protection. Until I see them changing the SSP and benefit rules, I won't believe they're serious.
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Its a weird one. I advocated extreme levels of isolation particularly in China when the outbreak was revealed. Would I now? I'm not so sure. However, what good is the money to someone who may or may not be alive?

I know its simplistic but we knew exactly what we had to lose when the virus broke loose in Wuhan - people and the fall in the economy. If we acted then with extreme measures, we'd have taken a hit in the economy but saved countless lives. We didn't and now, the economy has taken a relatively large blow and will continue to fall. AND this is largely because of its presence and not yet its impact. If this does become a pandemic, then we'll see an even larger fall and more deaths.

We're at a point where things have become very unpredictable and certain nations seem to be losing some control. Would that have happened if we took more extreme measures back in January?
 
ha_rooney said:


It’s probably too late now, but they really should restrict any travel to Italy, Iran, South Korea for the time being.
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Are people as thick as pig shit? If you're coming back from severely affected countries, get yourselves tested.
 
P-Ro said:
It's a teacher, so probably.
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I hate this idea that we shouldn't panic. But if people show a little more concern, it will be significantly easier to control. Far too many people don't care and that includes my bloody family.
 
An Iran official has died today. Israel have banned flights to major hot spots. And Italy has introduced red zones (draconian measures @Dante)
 
Di Maria's angel said:
I hate this idea that we shouldn't panic. But if people show a little more concern, it will be significantly easier to control. Far too many people don't care and that includes my bloody family.
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Panicking is usually the most effective way to react to a crisis after all.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
Are people as thick as pig shit? If you're coming back from severely affected countries, get yourselves tested.
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You shouldn't get yourself tested as long as you don't show any symptons, that would only put an unnecessary strain on the whole testing process and would affect the tests which actually need to be performed because people are sick.

Self-quarantaine would just as easily do the trick. And no, we shouldn't panic.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
An Iran official has died today. Israel have banned flights to major hot spots. And Italy has introduced red zones (draconian measures @Dante)
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Italy introduced red zones over a week ago. They've split the country into three.

Red zones - nobody in or out, and everyone to stay mostly indoors and not interact with others.
Yellow zones (where I am) - large gatherings banned, lots of places closed and other restrictions to limit interaction, but you can still live pretty freely.
Rest of Italy - be careful, basically.

We will see over the next few days whether it's worked.
 
Jippy said:
Panicking is usually the most effective way to react to a crisis after all.
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RobinLFC said:
You shouldn't get yourself tested as long as you don't show any symptons, that would only put an unnecessary strain on the whole testing process and would affect the tests which actually need to be performed because people are sick.

Self-quarantaine would just as easily do the trick. And no, we shouldn't panic.
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I should have been clearer. I'm not advocating panicking. There has to be a balance. Far too many have been in denial or too relaxed. Simple prevention measures relayed across the world when this broke loose could have made a huge difference. Instead very few countries took any action until their own respective nations became infected.

@RobinLFC You make a valid point. However, South Korea have shown the benefits of better testing measures.
 
11101 said:
Italy introduced red zones over a week ago. They've split the country into three.

Red zones - nobody in or out, and everyone to stay mostly indoors and not interact with others.
Yellow zones (where I am) - large gatherings banned, lots of places closed and other restrictions to limit interaction, but you can still live pretty freely.
Rest of Italy - be careful, basically.

We will see over the next few days whether it's worked.
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Thanks for the the clarification.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
I should have been clearer. I'm not advocating panicking. There has to be a balance. Far too many have been in denial or too relaxed. Simple prevention measures relayed across the world when this broke loose could have made a huge difference. Instead very few countries took any action until their own respective nations became infected.

@RobinLFC You make a valid point. However, South Korea have shown the benefits of better testing measures.
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I guess the sheer geographic spread means we'll see a whole range of responses.

OECD saying worst case global growth halves this year.
https://www.ft.com/content/1356af8c-5c6c-11ea-8033-fa40a0d65a98
 
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