SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

For two reasons I'd imagine. Firstly a player would be entitled to seek alternative employment whilst furloughed. Secondly the cap paid for by the government is £2k per month, which for someone on a few dozen times this every week would be a somewhat irrelevant return.

I'm sure in the lower leagues the situation would be different.
Thanks. Makes complete sense now.
 
Guardian missing the point again.

These deaths are from people infected before the lockdown.

We don't know what the lockdown has achieved so far.

All they tell is is the effect of not locking down earlier, not harder.
It's the same thing that happened in Italy.
 
For two reasons I'd imagine. Firstly a player would be entitled to seek alternative employment whilst furloughed. Secondly the cap paid for by the government is £2k per month, which for someone on a few dozen times this every week would be a somewhat irrelevant return.

I'm sure in the lower leagues the situation would be different.
You can't work if furloughed. And its 2.5k per month
 
When it regards graphs about the development of the different countries I like the following:

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The x-axis shows the confirmed cases per 100,000 inhabits, the y-axis the deaths per 100,000 inhabitants. The little numbers near the flags tell the number of days the cases have doubled recently.
 
Which of the following do you disagree with?

The maximum amount the government will contribute is £2000 per month.

If your employer is looking to furlough you, you can refuse and instead seek employment elsewhere?
Its 80 percent up 2.5k per the guidance

The employee can turn down furlough, but if they agree to furlough they cant work.

If they turn it down, theyd either have to quit or be made redundant to work elsewhere. Unless they work a 2nd job, footballers wont be made redundant at least not at the pl level and they wont quit.

Edit re the payment i see what your saying now. If what your saying is correct our employer has advised us wrong
 
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When it regards graphs about the development of the different countries I like the following:

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The x-axis shows the confirmed cases per 100,000 inhabits, the y-axis the deaths per 100,000 inhabitants. The little numbers near the flags tell the number of days the cases have doubled recently.

That’s the best graph like this I’ve seen. Thanks for sharing. The number of cases has become more or less useless to compare countries but adding the deaths/100k gives a really useful perspective.
 
Which of the following do you disagree with?

The maximum amount the government will contribute is £2000 per month.

If your employer is looking to furlough you, you can refuse and instead seek employment elsewhere?
Its 80 percent up 2.5k per the guidance

The employee can turn down furlough, but if they agree to furlough they cant work.

If they turn it down, theyd either have to quit or be made redundant to work elsewhere. Unless they work a 2nd job, footballers wont be made redundant at least not at the pl level and they wont quit.

Edit re the payment i see what your saying now. If what your saying is correct our employer has advised us wrong
Legal document:

offering employers grants from HMRC to cover 80 per cent of the wages of staff who are on the payroll but not working because of the outbreak, up to a maximum of £2,500 per worker per month.

To me that means the maximum grant is 2.5k

Edit again, another legal docu

What is included in the £2500?

It includes "all employment costs". Although no further details have been given yet, it is possible that this will include employer's National Insurance contributions. The position in relation to employer pension contributions is not yet clear and we are waiting for further guidance from the government.
 
Its 80 percent up 2.5k per the guidance

The employee can turn down furlough, but if they agree to furlough they cant work.

If they turn it down, theyd either have to quit or be made redundant to work elsewhere. Unless they work a 2nd job, footballers wont be made redundant at least not at the pl level and they wont quit.

Our business has been advised it's 80% of the £2500 cap (or £2k max), not 80% of £3125. The government website is vague but Sunak did say it was 80% of UK median earnings, which is around £30k per annum (not £37.5k)

Footballers would absolutely quit if their salaries were reduced by a factor of up to several hundred.
 
Our business has been advised it's 80% of up to £2500 (or £2k max), not 80% of £3125. The government website is vague but Sunak did say it was 80% of UK median earnings, which is around £30k per annum (not £37.5k)

Footballers would absolutely quit if their salaries were reduced by a factor of up to several hundred.
Thats not my reading of it at all or what my employer took it to be.

Theyd just say no to furlough and make their pl team pay them redundancy and then be free of it. They wouldnt quit, footballers contracts wouldnt let them quit without paying millions back
 
Thats not my reading of it at all or what my employer took it to be.

Theyd just say no to furlough and make their pl team pay them redundancy and then be free of it. They wouldnt quit, footballers contracts wouldnt let them quit without paying millions back

Footballers contracts also wouldn't allow them to have their salaries slashed by a factor of 700 without reprieve.

If their employers sought to do so they'd have cause to repudiate the contract and seek employment elsewhere.
 
At the risk of sounding an idiot, if you are turning away 'barn-door' cases from testing, and only testing those who are been admitted in to hospital becasue they are suspected of having it, and deemed so serious they need hospital care, then why are 80 % plus testing negative, what are they actually suffering from instead?
It is still flu season and people can get seriously ill and die from that.
 
It is still flu season and people can get seriously ill and die from that.

On that topic, I have been wondering about how we are going to deal with the flu in the future. Until recently when the flu was suspected you were not tested or isolated unless if you end up at the hospital but with Covid19 having the same symptoms are we going to systematically test anyone that has flu symptoms? That would susbstantially increase labs workload.
 
I've been updating it, user RedSky created it a while back.

Added in Germany and USA. Germany tracking quite close to France, hadn't noticed that before.


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This is very useful. Perhaps you could put it in the stickied info thread and update that post daily. Cheers.
 
I thought all take away places had been ordered to closed, down the road from me a kebab shop, chip shop and curry takeaway place were all open and allowing customers inside whilst waiting for their food?

Im surprised people are still taking such a chance with ordering take away seeing as there is the potential for their food being handled without the proper hygiene requirements by someone that may have the virus.
 
I thought all take away places had been ordered to closed, down the road from me a kebab shop, chip shop and curry takeaway place were all open and allowing customers inside whilst waiting for their food?

Im surprised people are still taking such a chance with ordering take away seeing as there is the potential for their food being handled without the proper hygiene requirements by someone that may have the virus.
No, restaurants were ordered to close. Takeaway was specifically allowed - if not the majority would go under within a fortnight. In fact a lot of restaurants that’d never normally do takeaway are now being forced to do so.

A lot I’ve seen only allow one person in a time to collect, and services like Uber Eats only do delivery
 
I thought all take away places had been ordered to closed, down the road from me a kebab shop, chip shop and curry takeaway place were all open and allowing customers inside whilst waiting for their food?

Im surprised people are still taking such a chance with ordering take away seeing as there is the potential for their food being handled without the proper hygiene requirements by someone that may have the virus.

If you are going to worry about that, then you may as well worry about every single item of food you are getting from the shops too.
 
At the risk of sounding an idiot, if you are turning away 'barn-door' cases from testing, and only testing those who are been admitted in to hospital becasue they are suspected of having it, and deemed so serious they need hospital care, then why are 80 % plus testing negative, what are they actually suffering from instead?
In the winter, flu is the obvious one. But pneumonia can have other origins - bacterial and viral - particularly for people with weakened immune systems or chronic conditions like COPD. Sometimes it's a complication (often the final complication) of a condition like MND.

Hence why some early cases seen by individual doctors wouldn't have stood out, you'd only notice as the number of cases rose or symptom patterns changed, or if tests for other things don't give expected results.
 
On that topic, I have been wondering about how we are going to deal with the flu in the future. Until recently when the flu was suspected you were not tested or isolated unless if you end up at the hospital but with Covid19 having the same symptoms are we going to systematically test anyone that has flu symptoms? That would susbstantially increase labs workload.

I think the inability to breathe would be a dead giveaway
 
On that topic, I have been wondering about how we are going to deal with the flu in the future. Until recently when the flu was suspected you were not tested or isolated unless if you end up at the hospital but with Covid19 having the same symptoms are we going to systematically test anyone that has flu symptoms? That would susbstantially increase labs workload.
It certainly would. I don't know where we go from here without 10,000's of people dying in every major country in the world which will be a major catastrophe.

I think that in the future we need labs not so much to look for flu but to look for possible new virus mutations so that we can react quicker to any possible threat in the future and isolate the mutated virus before it is able to spread significantly.
 
I'm fine myself, thanks, but having an absolute nightmare of a time with my mum who just won't behave. She's not taking this serious at all which is frustrating. :(
Same. My mother has serious health issues, so is classed 'extremely vulnerable', but doesn't buy anything online and near her the supermarket queues are massive.
I'm sending her gloves and masks, but she won't wear the masks cos 'no-one in Hull is wearing them' and she'll look daft ffs.
 
Our business has been advised it's 80% of the £2500 cap (or £2k max), not 80% of £3125. The government website is vague but Sunak did say it was 80% of UK median earnings, which is around £30k per annum (not £37.5k)

Footballers would absolutely quit if their salaries were reduced by a factor of up to several hundred.
It’s 80% or £2.5k whichever is lower

“At a minimum, employers must pay their employee the lower of 80% of their regular wage or £2,500 per month.”
Thank you. That was my understanding.

On the footballers aspect, no point arguing that @finneh


The initial guidance on this was very unclear and even the ICAEW interpreted it incorrectly, but yes the £2,500 is the max payment to the employee that will be covered by the grant. The employer can then claim the employers NIC and (minimum) auto enrolment pension contribution on top.
 
I think the inability to breathe would be a dead giveaway

It's not. It happens with the flu too in particular among the older part of the population. Covid19 has nothing special in terms of symptoms, the only way to know if you have it is by testing.
 
That’s the best graph like this I’ve seen. Thanks for sharing. The number of cases has become more or less useless to compare countries but adding the deaths/100k gives a really useful perspective.

That is what I thought when I saw this, too. The usual graphs or tables that take the numbers only nominal starting with x days did not really satisfy me.
 
Lockdown could potentially last until June then in the UK.


Yeah Boris has been dropping the 12weeks thing here and there for a while, to properly get on top of the worst of the virus.

I think lockdown will start easing around mid-May, slightly. People to be back in work in June, that's my prediction anyway.
 
The initial guidance on this was very unclear and even the ICAEW interpreted it incorrectly, but yes the £2,500 is the max payment to the employee that will be covered by the grant. The employer can then claim the employers NIC and (minimum) auto enrolment pension contribution on top.
Yea that's how i understood it and my employer understood it. Its what we were advising clients before we closed.

Is your firm still open?