How long do they expect people to stay indoors? People are bound to get frustrated and go out. Humans are short sighted.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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Someone is killed with a tweaked version of a coronavirus developed by a pharmaceutical company with the vaccine to cure it.
There are many many people in US who would agree with him that NY is over-reacting to the whole situation
Am I missing something
2921 cases, 181 more deaths
oh hello, a sensible post at last.
Did you phone the police on me?! I ain't no spannerist mate.
Am I missing something
No it's probably me. I was thinking that you were missing the joke. My bad
Tinfoil is sold out due to conspiracy theorists stockpiling it.
Short sighted.
I can think of another description.
Which starts with Dim and ends with Assholes.
181 plus:
- Those whose families they couldn't reach to get consent to put them on the list.
- Those who haven't died in hospital
Well that's piss.
Unfeckingbelievable that is.
I mean, there are more cases in New York than in the whole United Kingdom.
Long Island and the City appear to be the epicenter.
Surely it's hard to overreact to that?
99,198 negative.
14,579 positive.
Again, doesn't this seem to refute this novel idea that the virus has been widely circulating for some time, infecting half the population. If anything it suggests that the vast majority haven't yet had it and already it's hurting badly.
Edit: I suppose the figures don't actually account for those who have had it.
14,579 positive.
Again, doesn't this seem to refute this novel idea that the virus has been widely circulating for some time, infecting half the population. If anything it suggests that the vast majority haven't yet had it and already it's hurting badly.
Edit: I suppose the figures don't actually account for those who have had it.
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I wrote a post earlier about this. SARS clearly left an impact on policy and the psyche of the people here in Asia.
In Singapore, the government drafted contingency plans, planned for new infrastructure like a very high tech National Center for Infectious Disease, store food and medical supplies. The health network, both private send public, have detailed drills drawn up. Recently read this account from an expat regarding his experience going through the system.
My biggest concern regarding the UK government's approach right now is the fiddling of the death toll.
UK Dates | UK Deaths | Italy Dates | Italy Deaths | Spain Dates | Spain Deaths | France Dates | France Deaths |
March 8th | 3 | Feb 23rd | 3 | March 5th | 3 | March 2nd | 3 |
March 9th | 5 | Feb 24th | 7 | March 6th | 8 | March 3rd | 4 |
March 10th | 6 | Feb 25th | 11 | March 7th | 10 | March 4th | 4 |
March 11th | 8 | Feb 26th | 12 | March 8th | 17 | March 5th | 7 |
March 12th | 10 | Feb 27th | 17 | March 9th | 30 | March 6th | 9 |
March 13th | 11 | Feb 28th | 21 | March 10th | 36 | March 7th | 16 |
March 14th | 21 | Feb 29th | 29 | March 11th | 55 | March 8th | 19 |
March 15th | 35 | March 1st | 41 | March 12th | 86 | March 9th | 30 |
March 16th | 55 | March 2nd | 52 | March 13th | 133 | March 10th | 33 |
March 17th | 71 | March 3rd | 79 | March 14th | 196 | March 11th | 48 |
March 18th | 104 | March 4th | 107 | March 15th | 294 | March 12th | 61 |
March 19th | 144 | March 5th | 148 | March 16th | 342 | March 13th | 79 |
March 20th | 177 | March 6th | 197 | March 17th | 533 | March 14th | 91 |
March 21st | 233 | March 7th | 233 | March 18th | 638 | March 15th | 127 |
March 22nd | 281 | March 8th | 366 | March 19th | 833 | March 16th | 148 |
March 23rd | 335 | March 9th | 463 | March 20th | 1,093 | March 17th | 175 |
March 24th | 422 | March 10th | 631 | March 21st | 1,381 | March 18th | 244 |
March 25th | 468 | March 11th | 827 | March 22nd | 1,813 | March 19th | 372 |
March 26th | 578 | March 12th | 1,016 | March 23rd | 2,207 | March 20th | 450 |
March 27th | 759 | March 13th | 1,266 | March 24th | 2,696 | March 21st | 562 |
| | March 14th | 1,441 | March 25th | 3,434 | March 22nd | 674 |
| | March 15th | 1,809 | March 26th | 4,145 | March 23rd | 860 |
| | March 16th | 2,158 | March 27th | 4,858 | March 24th | 1100 |
| | March 17th | 2,503 | | | March 25th | 1331 |
| | | | | | March 26th | 1,696 |
Today's data is 5pm Wednesday evening to Thursday 5pm. We aren't that far behind Italy at this moment in time. I expect it to be 2k+ in a week's time.
This is horrible, horrible fecking disease.
Bring back swine flu instead
Bring back swine flu instead
What on earth makes you think they are doing that?
I've got an ignorant question here. Does the UK governance system not have any deputy PM? Normally Singapore would haves two. I always assume it's the same in the UK since the Singapore system is modelled after the British system.
Same. I don't think it's actually true that they need consent for stats.
fecking bullshit.
I wonder how much of the attributed high death toll to the older people is because respirators are given to the younger instead. Undeserved death sentence.
So sad.
The new rule they brought in in the last couple days where families have to give consent before deaths will be added to the official figure. It's clearly designed to reduce the death toll. There is no issue regarding anonymity when we're talking about anonymous data.
Horrible. The worst thing is we heard it all before in Italy. And we'll no doubt hear it again in the US, now.
Very sad indeed.
It's not. There is no legal basis for it. Nor a moral one.
You're correct, Public Health England does not need consent for death statistics when they compile the National Death Statistics.
Tragic and it makes you wonder how bad it is in Spain considering the faster growth there.
In Italy there was a lot of talk about having to triage patients and decide who gets respirators but as far as I know it only ended up happening in a handful of cases and nobody actually had a respirator taken away from them.
To be fair, no country had an abundance of ICU beds and ventilators.
That's why we need to stay at home.
That's why we need to stay at home.
I mean it's not as simple as they're only giving them to the younger patients simply because they're younger. It's more they're giving them to those they think can handle it and have a chance of surviving. Some people have been put on ventilators for 20 days +, and the longer you're on one the less likely it looks like you'll pull through. It's a terrible decision to make and one that doctors don't want to, but they'll just think 'will this patient survive and how long will they need the ventilator for?'. If you have a choice between someone who due to their age/health/frailty might not survive and use the ventilator for a long time, vs a younger patient who looks more likely to recover in a third of the time - thereby freeing the ventilator up - who do you choose?
I agree you on point 2, there will be people dying outside hospital (by their own choice or through negligence/neglect) who won't be counted, won't be autopsied, and will never have even been tested.
On point 1, I think the issue over data protection consent doesn't relate to the overall number. Rather, it's the fact that local health authorities aren't now offering details like, "man aged 75, with multiple comorbidities" etc." I'm assuming that's still available to epidemiologists though.
If it's anything else, then it's not what I was told was being discussed with the NHS digital unit last week. Have any of the mainstream media suggested this is happening?
Can you post the government link for this assertion?