SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

So why was my brother in law told by 111 to isolate for 14? I don't live in UK, but that's what he got told to do.
No idea. No idea what your brother reported to NHS 111. Here's all you need to know: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance
The main messages are:

  • if you live alone and you have symptoms of coronavirus illness (COVID-19), however mild, stay at home for 7 days from when your symptoms started. See ending isolation section for more information
  • if you live with others and you are the first in the household to have symptoms of coronavirus, then you must stay at home for 7 days, but all other household members who remain well must stay at home and not leave the house for 14 days. The 14-day period starts from the day when the first person in the house became ill
  • for anyone else in the household who starts displaying symptoms, they need to stay at home for 7 days from when the symptoms appeared, regardless of what day they are on in the original 14-day isolation period. See ending isolation section for more information

Here's a handy illustrated guide: https://assets.publishing.service.g...file/874011/Stay_at_home_guidance_diagram.pdf
 
So why was my brother in law told by 111 to isolate for 14? I don't live in UK, but that's what he got told to do.

Sorry, saw your reply above this one. Cheers.
7 days if you're self-isolating due to onset of symptoms. 14 days if it's for other reasons, like return from another country, contact with someone who is positive or if you're living with someone who has started showing symptoms. In effect that would mean 7 for Boris, 14 for his partner - though she's self-isolating away from him we're told, for her own safety now, to avoid the natural tendency for everyone in the household to get affected.
 
I think it could also be bad luck, maybe you touch a contaminated surface then absent mindedly rub your eyes. BoJo would have been exposed to many people as well. I can't comment on his hygiene but I don't think everyone who's caught it is a dirty fecker.
What I'm saying is that wash your hands and carry on was/is a crazy policy.
They are still making millions of us that are not in essential jobs interact in jobs where it's impossible to keep 2 metre distance.
 
Damn, Italys total increased by almost a thousand within 24 hours (to around 9k)
 
7 days if you're self-isolating due to onset of symptoms. 14 days if it's for other reasons, like return from another country, contact with someone who is positive or for someone living with someone who has started showing symptoms. In effect that would mean 7 for Boris, 14 for his partner - though she's self-isolating away from him, for her own safety now, to avoid the natural tendency for everyone in the household to get affected.

That might be it, he was in contact with a positive case.
 
I've not read all the replies, but do people realise you can get tested privately VERY easily, it's just the NHS don't have the time/funds to do it for the whole population?

Affluent people like Boris will pay about £300 to get tested. If you want to be tested you can happily pay that and get tested within a day.

I imagine most people will probably decline that offer and just stay isolated.
 
I've not read all the replies, but do people realise you can get tested privately VERY easily, it's just the NHS don't have the time/funds to do it for the whole population?

Affluent people like Boris will pay about £300 to get tested. If you want to be tested you can happily pay that and get tested within a day.

I imagine most people will probably decline that offer and just stay isolated.
I can only speak for myself but no I didn't know the going rate for BUPA testing.
 
From BBC

"Why does severity of coronavirus symptoms vary?
Rebecca Morelle
Science correspondent, BBC News

Scientists are racing to find out how coronavirus is spreading so quickly and why the severity of symptoms varies so much.
Viral load is an important factor. It’s how much of the virus there is in your body at any point during an infection. The higher the viral load, the more virus you will potentially shed from your body, making you more infectious to others.

For coronavirus, the viral load is highest about five days after symptoms first appear. And some scientists think it’s the initial dose of virus you receive that’s important. If you’re infected with a small amount of virus, you’re more likely to develop a mild illness. But if you’re infected with a lot, you have a greater chance of developing severe symptoms.

It’s a major issue for health workers. They will be in very close contact with lots of infected people, raising their prospect of becoming infected when a patient’s viral load is at its peak. It’s why having access to protective kit is so important."


This my feeling on this since I heard the Chinese doctor who was exposed many times died and others since. Younger people might have received a high dosage, it might vary if it gets down to your lungs or stays in the throat area but perhaps a high dosage has a greater change to get into the lungs as well.

I'm hoping to keep any exposure to zero or tiny amount



Another one joining the herd.
 
I've not read all the replies, but do people realise you can get tested privately VERY easily, it's just the NHS don't have the time/funds to do it for the whole population?

Affluent people like Boris awill pay about £300 to get tested. If you want to be tested you can happily pay that and get tested within a day.

I imagine most people will probably decline that offer and just stay isolated.
and Prince Charles will get shunted to the front of the NHS while other people who have worse symptoms are told that their symptoms are not bad enough to be tested.
 
Italy seems to be right at the top of the peak with the cases numbers staying consistent for a week now.

5909 new cases - a reasonable number all things considered
919 deaths - these are going to get big in the coming days as the case numbers begin to translate into deaths
 
There is considerable unease in the Spanish press over a speech by a Dutch minister, asking to investigate the deficit compliance and criticizing that we are treating too old people (in Italia too).
Apparently Germany and the Netherlands are exercising some blockade while Spain and Italy refuse to sign insufficient measures.
 
99,198 negative.
14,579 positive.


Again, doesn't this seem to refute this novel idea that the virus has been widely circulating for some time, infecting half the population. If anything it suggests that the vast majority haven't yet had it and already it's hurting badly.

Edit: I suppose the figures don't actually account for those who have had it.
No because this only tests if you have it right now. A lot could have already had it. We need the antibody test before we know the scale of contagion.
 
I've not read all the replies, but do people realise you can get tested privately VERY easily, it's just the NHS don't have the time/funds to do it for the whole population?

Affluent people like Boris will pay about £300 to get tested. If you want to be tested you can happily pay that and get tested within a day.

I imagine most people will probably decline that offer and just stay isolated.


Boris claimed a remembrance day wreath on expenses once, hes paying for nowt.

He gets it quickly because he's PM.

The argument shouldn't be that he should not be tested, its that NHS workers should have the same access to testing.
 
Think it was on the official briefing last night by the government from the health official but James O’Brien covered it on his show too

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/present...-obrien-dispels-fake-news-around-coronavirus/

I may have been wrong to say in the morning, I think the death stats are now at 5pm but the case stats are in the morning?
Thanks for the link. Regarding at the end of the clip in that link, it sounds to me like James O'Brien is just applying his common sense rather than relying on any information from a briefing or a government official? I may be misreading this. It would be good to find a source that actually puts it to bed.
 
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and Prince Charles will get shunted to the front of the NHS while other people who have worse symptoms are told that their symptoms are not bad enough to be tested.
Would be tested privately. The royals have their own medical staff on call.

I get why people are a bit upset but that's just the way of the world isn't it.
 
I think that's a misleading description. If anyone knows a journalist perhaps they can get it bumped up to the people who attend the daily press conference to ask about.

From what I was hearing it's the detail files like these csv's on https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-track-coronavirus-cases that they're saying can get out of step with the overall daily stats - as certain towns won't now be identified with cases for some deaths. That and the timing change, which has gone through.

Like I say though it would be good to get the press to confirm it directly on camera with one of the senior people. Anyone know a journalist who can bump it up the food chain?
I suspect you're right. Hopefully Newsnight is going to clarify it themselves tonight?
 
The consent thing was fake news. There was a change in the times the deaths were reported because as they rose the 2pm deadline was too difficult to make to verify the data. On the day they switched to releasing the confirmed figures in the morning the stats became distorted over a couple of days.

Thankee most kindly. Trouble with the human condition is that all of us believe what fits with our view of the world which is far too often jaundiced. Sadly the internet only exacerbates the problem. Then again the genie is firmly out of the bottle so we have to live with it.
 
@DOTA

I would have thought there was no issue with releasing this data either. It's not an issue that other countries seem to have had and things like GDPR and the Data Protection Act don't apply to the deceased (in the circumstances I've dealt with such restrictions, at least), so I would have been surprised if such basic data required consent to be released in an aggregated form. I've also seen the the idea that consent would be needed questioned by pollster/data analysts types like Matt Singh, who presumably have at least some basic knowledge of data protection restrictions.

If the story was inaccurate I would have thought it would more likely be because the government simply aren't looking for that consent and it was just misreported.

Though maybe someone will point out why the restrictions apply in this case.
 
Damn, Italy 919 deaths. There were fears of it spreading in the South, not sure if this was the reason for the jump but I try to avoid all this talk of peaks, drops and so on. When Italy start posting numbers of 200-300 a day for a week I might start to think it's changing. It's been back and forth in the 5-800 range and critical cases keep on rising and there will be more culmination and overwhelmed hospitals leading to varied numbers.

Can't things any better if we hit this in the UK in 2-4 weeks time with half the ICU units of Italy and such low beds per 1000k. We rank near the bottom of 40 countries.
 
For coronavirus, the viral load is highest about five days after symptoms first appear. And some scientists think it’s the initial dose of virus you receive that’s important. If you’re infected with a small amount of virus, you’re more likely to develop a mild illness. But if you’re infected with a lot, you have a greater chance of developing severe symptoms.
That would be horrible news for medical professionals, ffs. :eek:
 
Would be tested privately. The royals have their own medical staff on call.

I get why people are a bit upset but that's just the way of the world isn't it.

Yep it’s not just royals or politicians.....it’s anyone with the influence, celebrity, or money. To Charles and Boris let’s add in Tom Hanks and Idris Elba. As my grannie used to say no-one said that life was fair or equal
 
Today I started volunteering in what we call "active vigilance teams".

We call every day to people who are quarantined (automatic for anyone who flies into Azores, others signaled by public health teams' contact tracing) and ask for temperature readings and respiratory symptoms, reiterate the need to stay home, etc.). If they fail to answer (maximum of 6 attempts per day) 2 days in a row we activate a local team. If they answer and refuse to talk, or we notice something is off, we immediately activate field teams, who can call the police.

It's quite rewarding, must be a world of difference from making sales calls etc. Most people are tremendously nice and thankful, though we get the occasional pouty teenager that didn't want to be woken up, or people so illiterate that make the conversation very challenging.

Thing is, with the increase in cases and suspects, human resources for this kind of work will be stretched too thin. I expect that a month from now we'll be calling only positive cases to make sure they are alright.

Working from the inside gives me access to a lot more info, and the daunting logistics that go into something like this.

I think my competences are better suited for this sort of work (or domiciliary care) than intra-hospital urgency stuff. On this later aspect I'm on a third line to be called, which means I will go only if (when, I guess) things get really bad.

I was feeling so useless at home and wondered who was doing this vigilance work, so e-mailed our health secretary saying I was available for anything, pay or no pay. The big lady herself called me one hour later to thank me and I started on this immediately.
 
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I would have thought there was no issue with releasing this data either. It's not an issue that other countries seem to have had and things like GDPR and the Data Protection Act don't apply to the deceased (in the circumstances I've dealt with such restrictions, at least), so I would have been surprised if such basic data required consent to be released in an aggregated form. I've also seen the the idea that consent would be needed questioned by pollsters and data analysts like Matt Singh, who presumably have at least some basic knowledge of data protection restrictions.
You are correct that GDPR and the Data Protection Act don't apply to identifiable data related to the diseased, but duty of confidence previously established does. It's important not to undermine confidence and trust in systems and organisations.

No one's COVID-19 death is not going to be aggregated up, but it might not always be mediated.
 
One of my housemates, who is key worker, has assured me that even if we all have to quarantine together he thinks his connections will be sufficient that he will be able to find people to deliver my alcoholic self supplies at a frequency that will avoid my risk of seizure.

I utterly detest having to have had this conversation. Such is life right now.

Not fond of being a burden either, if it comes to that, but very grateful that he's willing to do what he can to help.

Not a burden at all, but I understand the feeling. I have to keep working (and I’m glad about it), but I definitely need certain ‘supplies’, and sorting that out made me feel pretty shit.
 
Boris probably got off that poster who was congregating at a carvery over a pint of beer with likeminded [sic] individuals, in an affluent area.

Hope that poster got an appropriate tagline as I cannot remember who it was now.
 
What do you think has been happening in workplaces across the entire country for weeks and months? Stopping just Cheltenham in isolation would do sweet feck all.

Yeah I get you but where do you see 250,000 people go on a piss up for 3 days? You cannot really compare that to work. Work is necessary, Cheltenham isn't. There is no defending it. When all of this is done there will be a lot of hindsight and one the things will be allowing Cheltenham to go on.
 
There is considerable unease in the Spanish press over a speech by a Dutch minister, asking to investigate the deficit compliance and criticizing that we are treating too old people (in Italia too).
Apparently Germany and the Netherlands are exercising some blockade while Spain and Italy refuse to sign insufficient measures.
Yeah, Portuguese Prime Minister destroyed the Dutch PM too. It will pretty much be the end of European Union if this doesn't change.
 
Boris probably got off that poster who was congregating at a carvery over a pint of beer with likeminded [sic] individuals, in an affluent area.

Hope that poster got an appropriate tagline as I cannot remember who it was now.

Go to this post which quoted original post, which the poster edited to remove affluent.

Revealing.
 
Boris probably got off that poster who was congregating at a carvery over a pint of beer with likeminded [sic] individuals, in an affluent area.

Hope that poster got an appropriate tagline as I cannot remember who it was now.
I did search because I was desperate to know where this joke came from. @Starkie_1