SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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I suppose a small and slightly morbid consolation is that about 1,000 people under 35 die of flu in the US per year. It's not exclusive to this virus, although rare, young people can be hit hard by respiratory diseases.
There are other threads for Boris/Corbyn bashing.
Higher obesity/overweight rate, asthma double of Italy, a lower rate of diabetes(strange given obesity rate?) and fewer smokers. So, might be around the same, but the UK got half the number of ICU beds per capita compared to Italy.
The big unknown for the UK is the number of tests performed until the current date. How many are actually infected or got contained before the "lockdown"?
How are the regulations now in layman's terms?
I think it’ll be a difficult to come to a conclusion on that, we’re only testing when people are being called in for an emergency. The testing programme will need to be far and wide, and probably contact tracing will be the only way to truly understand the success of lockdown measures.
Has anyone been following the testing being conducted in Iceland? Lots of encouraging news from there in my opinion.
3.4% of entire population tested. Early estimates are that 50% of cases are asymptotic, majority of the rest experience moderate cold like symptoms. A genetics company called deCode's been doing free voluntary testing. A week old update shows that of 5571 tests 48 returned as positive. That's 0.86% of the sample and if stretched to the entire population would imply 3,462 infections at that point. Of course a voluntary test is not strictly random, but it has been conducted only on asymptotic people.
As of today official figures only show 802 found cases, of which 82 have recovered, 17 have been hospitalised, 3 are in ICUs and 2 have died.
Obviously the majority of found cases are still in the balance but if the world's most effective testing scheme is only capturing 25% of actual cases then that's surely good news. Especially since of known cases relatively few have so far required hospital attention and even fewer an ICU.
It's possible that testing means they're just out in front of the disease and so picking up people earlier in its progression. Numbers might get worse but as of right now it looks pretty decent over there.
3.4% of entire population tested. Early estimates are that 50% of cases are asymptotic, majority of the rest experience moderate cold like symptoms. A genetics company called deCode's been doing free voluntary testing. A week old update shows that of 5571 tests 48 returned as positive. That's 0.86% of the sample and if stretched to the entire population would imply 3,462 infections at that point. Of course a voluntary test is not strictly random, but it has been conducted only on asymptotic people.
As of today official figures only show 802 found cases, of which 82 have recovered, 17 have been hospitalised, 3 are in ICUs and 2 have died.
Obviously the majority of found cases are still in the balance but if the world's most effective testing scheme is only capturing 25% of actual cases then that's surely good news. Especially since of known cases relatively few have so far required hospital attention and even fewer an ICU.
It's possible that testing means they're just out in front of the disease and so picking up people earlier in its progression. Numbers might get worse but as of right now it looks pretty decent over there.
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Starting to wonder that instead of countries having conscription for the military that at the age of about 16 the population as a whole should have to spend a year getting the basics of nursing down. It could help if could mobilise a large amount of care workers in these situations going forward.
Seriously? That's bad.
Yeah, a South Korean approach seems to be the most proactive, but I think it is a little too late for that in the UK. When the "lockdown" starts showing effect and one can say there is some control, then testing and contact tracing can be applied again on a large scale. Now it is about stopping it from spreading more and ride the storm.
In the UK or in Italy?
In the UK it seems staying at home is more of a suggestion, there are many valid reasons to go out and it's near impossible to police everybody. I have some friends taking it seriously, some not so much.
In Italy you can't go outside unless you are an essential worker, you have medical appointments or you are going grocery shopping, and even then only to the nearest store. There are police and roadblocks everywhere and we even have army helicopters buzzing the town from time to time to remind us they are watching.
She’s so much more than just roast potatoes.
The French are warning of bad news in the coming days. The US are moving hospital ships to NYC and LA.
Trying times ahead.
Trying times ahead.
From a UK point of view: Fatter, more asthma, half the % of ICU beds per capita. But fewer smokers and less diabetes.
So, people are allowed to do as they like? Walking around while potentially infected? Then I retract my original statement regarding 2-3 weeks, given there is no actual lockdown, only suggestions.
Italy got the right of it, after some time. The only way to somewhat stop the spread when it gets to a certain stage.
Apparently, 50% of Diamond Princess cases also tested positive with no symptoms, but more than 50% of those went on to develop symptoms later on.
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In the UK you are not supposed to go out, but you can if you need to work, if you want to exercise, if you have a dog to walk, if you want to go grocery shopping, etc. etc. etc.
It's similar to Italy's restrictions in the early days and it didn't work.
This made me smile....
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Bad news from Belgium, 69 new fatalities and 1.049 new cases.
And weirdest news: a cat has been confirmed with Covid-19 in Liège...
And weirdest news: a cat has been confirmed with Covid-19 in Liège...
It seems like hospitals are not really well designed for infectious disease care. Is that why they are putting together that London facility at Excel? I'm sure being able to control the movements of staff is better when you have a giant dedicated facility. Hospital ships and maybe requisitioned cruise liners would be ideal.
My understanding of the pets situation is that we think very rarely one can get it, that when they do they don't get ill and that they won't be able to pass it on either to humans or even members of their own species.
I thought that I had read somewhere but have not the foggiest where that one of the reasons why China, South Korea etc appear to have gotten a faster handle on this disease is that they invested heavily in infectious disease clinics during the SARS outbreak and mothballed the facilities afterwards......which if true was more than any western country did.
That cat is 100% going to go around rubbing against people now. Evil little shits.
feckers won't stay isolated, that's for damn sure.Peak expected for the beginning of April so not that surprising. Touching wood, but I still only know 1 person who had the symptoms so far (but wasn't tested).
Hopefully they don't push through with that 1km-rule they are talking about.
Most hospital buildings are old, but the design and proximity of areas is where they’ve been addressed over the past two decades or so. Infection control is paramount with all NHS staff and briefed regularly. The only challenge is that the NHS can cope with a volume of cases, but when we’re in a situation of a mass of cases then even the best designed hospitals will struggle with capacity.
I think the facility at the ExCel arena is merely to deliver capacity, having it focused on an infectious disease obviously will deliver some benefits both for infection control and tracing.
South Korea’s is all down to testing & contact tracing.
Cool, thanks.
It seems like field hospitals close to main hospitals where triage can occur is a good way to go. Didn't I see some Chinese invention where a person walks through a tunnel of disinfectant? Seems like a good idea for health workers who go on and off shift.
We don’t have the testing kits or the process to deliver mass testing yet. I imagine over the coming weeks we’ll start to have a wider scheme implemented to understand where people are with regards to their immunity to it.
Exactly.
Let's be clear here. Labour from 2000 to 2010 oversaw a 24% reduction in acute care beds. From 2010 to 2018 there was a 12% decrease. Every party has been picking the bones of the NHS, because it's been such a money pit. It's not exclusive to the Conservatives by any stretch, or the UK. It's an international trend.
I think field hospitals is a great way to approach it, as a temporary measure, but it’ll all come down to availability of equipment to make them a useful asset.
I think there’s things we can learn from China and protection for the health workers. The wider personal worry i have is that my other half is out treating normal patients on home visits currently, they had patients lying about their condition (ie. they have symptoms of Covid19, but not telling them) and then turning up at the door and having to back off quickly. There is a high risk of those out in the community that haven’t really got the PPE, being exposed and potentially carrying the virus unintentionally.
It does come back to testing priority and those with patient interaction need it super quick.
I found one thing super entertaining about it, winding up conspiracy freaks. Beautiful stuff.
About that 'we've all had it already' study,
Be wary.
Be wary.
I know this isn’t relevant but next door have bought a third cat. So now there’s one I haven’t run over
The feck is that? You can't go further than 1 km from where you live?
You can, to go to work or to buy groceries, but not if you go out for a walk for instance. It was suggested by someone, but I'm sure it won't happen.
Plans to reduce homelessness have been drastically brought forward. Amazingly it can be done with a little effort
The NHS has probably been saved as well. Nobody will now vote for anyone who has plans to scale it down.
Also, once this is over, people will appreciate normal life and freedom much more.
Nearly every town in the UK used to have a dedicated and purpose-built “Isolation Hospital”. They were all closed decades ago as infectious diseases had pretty much been eliminated and they were thought to be no longer needed.
Those of us in small Comunes in Italy are in that situation, we have to stay within the village boundary at all times (including for shopping). It's been the worst part of the latest restrictions.
And with the money needed for above, hopefully a reduction in political and pointless wars. Thus a reduction in scenes like Syria, Iraq, etc. And therefore less asylum migrations.