SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Sarni said:
That is very optimistic. I don’t really see a chance of restrictions being lifted before September/October but maybe I’m too pessimistic too.
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The way I see it is these restrictions arent designed to wipe out the virus but to ease the burden on hospitals etc. Get over that hill and smooth out the curve we will see easing off from restrictions. Then the vunerable can get state help that would free up hundreds of millions instead of 35 year old builder Dave down the street receiving the same benefits.
Feck me the public only has to behave and we wouldnt be here now
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
No idea if I'm supposed to go into work now or not.

If its essential, meaning key workers then we should have been put on the list and everyone should know that they are expected to keep working. Like British Gas for example.

If that isn't true IE you haven't been informed you are expected to work on, you should stay at home.

Is that correct?
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Not sure. I work at a pensions broker and we have been told to come in tomorrow on the basis that we don’t have printing equipment at home to print forms. It looks like people are interpreting it in different ways.
 
TheReligion said:
The issue is they'll get fined or worse..
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Is this actually enforceable for those going to work? Considering the government advice is still unless you can't work from home at this moment.

As it's not at all clear. And even if so, how would you know. For example my GF is going to work tomorrow, at a car body shop. Do you have any powers to stop and fine her?
 
TheReligion said:
This announcement was a touch vague but I'd imagine it will be cleared up very soon. The legislation has partly passed through parliament today but needs to fully do so and be enacted. When that's done everything will be live and clarity will be given.

I'd say in next 24/48 hrs.
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It's like a United transfer saga.
 
711 said:
That's how I read it too. The idea that the work itself has to be essential is just made up. As with 'we're in lockdown', no we aren't, that's made up too, there are multiple reasons why people can leave the house, we are not in lockdown.
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It will be lockdown by the end of the week I'm pretty sure. The only reason we aren't yet is the legislation isn't passed and hasn't been enacted. Watch this space. It's gradual hence the ambiguity tonight.
 
Redlambs said:
Is this actually enforceable for those going to work? Considering the government advice is still unless you can't work from home at this moment.

As it's not at all clear. And even if so, how would you know. For example my GF is going to work tomorrow, at a car body shop. Do you have any powers to stop and fine her?
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I think all the ambiguity will be cleared up by the end of the week mate. The legal stuff isn't sorted fully hence the ambiguity tonight I think. It will be passed and enacted in coming days then you will see some direction and action.
 


Now we get into the social management phase of the crisis.

The police are going to have their hands full. They'll probably spend most of their time being goaded by scallies into a foot chase. And then because of social distancing, they'll have to decide whether it's worth it to arrest anyone.

I'd expect a lot of the unmanned electronics shops to be targetted for robberies, too.

Which is not to say I disagree with the new measures. I think they were necessary. But anyone who thinks it's going to be sunshine and rainbows is in for a shock.
 
TheReligion said:
It will be lockdown by the end of the week I'm pretty sure. The only reason we aren't yet is the legislation isn't passed and hasn't been enacted. Watch this space. It's gradual hence the ambiguity tonight.
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We could move to that of course, my guess is we will, but as of now there is no ambiguity at all in saying there are multiple reasons people can leave their house, that is a fact, there is no lockdown yet.
 
11101 said:
Yes they are, and it is, but lots of other countries have implemented the same measures at the same time. The UK is definitely early.



Originally in Italy it was the first meaning, you could go to work if you couldn't work from home. Now it has changed and you can only go if the company performs an essential function.
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Exactly we are following the same process but ahead of the curve.
 
Dante said:


Now we get into the social management phase of the crisis.

The police are going to have their hands full. They'll probably spend most of their time being goaded by scallies into a foot chase. And then because of social distancing, they'll have to decide whether it's worth it to arrest anyone.

I'd expect a lot of the unmanned electronics shops to be targetted for robberies, too.
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I heard from a copper yesterday that some scumbag kids went into Asda causing grief and when a staff member refused to serve them more than 3 of the same item they spat in her face.

Seriously what the feck is wrong with these “people”?
 
711 said:
We could move to that of course, my guess is we will, but as of now there is no ambiguity at all in saying there are multiple reasons people can leave their house, that is a fact, there is no lockdown yet.
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There's no social reason you can leave the house now. Exercise is about it.
 
TheReligion said:
I think all the ambiguity will be cleared up by the end of the week mate. The legal stuff isn't sorted fully hence the ambiguity tonight I think. It will be passed and enacted in coming days then you will see some direction and action.
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Yeah I get that mate, it's not easy and even after that you guys are still going to have a tough job getting people to do as their bloody told.

In the mean time though, people will and do need to work I think we need to be more about what we know right now to help save confusion.

As of this moment, people can and will go to work tomorrow. After that is anyone's guess, but they are going to have to be very clear and specific. Because in my gf's case, it may be a body shop, but it works with NHS staff cars too so there's a big loophole right there for them to stay open...
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
No idea if I'm supposed to go into work now or not.

If its essential, meaning key workers then we should have been put on the list and everyone should know that they are expected to keep working. Like British Gas for example.

If that isn't true IE you haven't been informed you are expected to work on, you should stay at home.

Is that correct?
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I don't think so. The advice on the government website is as follows:

You should only leave the house for one of four reasons:
  • "Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home."
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...dance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others
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That means that you can travel to work only if it is essential to your job, not that you can travel only if your job is essential.
 
Redlambs said:
Yeah I get that mate, it's not easy and even after that you guys are still going to have a tough job getting people to do as their bloody told.

In the mean time though, people will and do need to work I think we need to be more about what we know right now to help save confusion.

As of this moment, people can and will go to work tomorrow. After that is anyone's guess, but they are going to have to be very clear and specific. Because in my gf's case, it may be a body shop, but it works with NHS staff cars too so there's a big loophole right there for them to stay open...
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The point @11101 made about what happened in Italy is worth baring in mind. The UK has literally followed exactly the same path but slightly earlier. So Italy initially allowed work to that degree then moved to essential work only. My personal thoughts are we will move to that model and when the legislation is through we will see it.

I would be telling anyone who isn't an essential worker to start making plans without work as it's coming and it's better to be prepared than simply thinking it will all be okay only to be told you're not going in to work the next day.
 
jimmyb2000 said:
I'm quite sure the best person to discuss all this with is your solicitor who you are paying to conclude this convoluted legal process - not with a bunch of twats you've never ever met who exist (or don't exist) on a football fans forum. It's almost like you're one of those fake bot accounts who sucker people in with their fake queries/questions/dilemmas in life.
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So what's the point of a forum at all then?
 
DavidDeSchmikes said:
i guess all the broadcasting will have to shut down, because everyone will be self isolating
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No, because obviously it is an essential service, but regardless, an ever increasing amount has been being done remotely anyway. It is 2020 and most of us have pretty incredible equipment in our houses and pockets.
 
sun_tzu said:
Dunno... I'm not short of cash... Would have to be some feck off mega tax to make me think twice

Suits me but I'm.not sure it's fair
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I got my shopping today in a supermarket in the poorer part of town that I happened to be passing through. Plenty of stock available, I suspect because most of the people around there simply don't have the money to buy a load of extra stuff on top of what they usually get. Quite a sobering thought really.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
It's not a necessity that children have to exercise outside. Walking of dogs I agree with, though.
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Have you ever had children...?

Seriously, many (all?) children NEED to exercise everyday. Even if they're just gonna have a run around.

I'm talking kids under 16 here.

Robbo's Shoulder said:
https://www.asthma.org.uk/advice/triggers/coronavirus-covid-19/
I posted this earlier today from asthma uk, which could you mate
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Thank you mate, much appreciated.
 
TheReligion said:
The point @11101 made about what happened in Italy is worth baring in mind. The UK has literally followed exactly the same path but slightly earlier. So Italy initially allowed work to that degree then moved to essential work only. My personal thoughts are we will move to that model and when the legislation is through we will see it.

I would be telling anyone who isn't an essential worker to start making plans without work as it's coming and it's better to be prepared than simply thinking it will all be okay only to be told you're not going in to work the next day.
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Oh of course, let's be honest most of us knew this was coming weeks ago.

But one of the many issues in trying to prepare is the unknown in job security. If they pass this legislation through and still no help for self employed, renters or even more job protection for those who don't need laying off but have greedy bosses, I think keeping people indoors and not socialising sadly won't be the biggest problem you'll have to face.
 
711 said:
I got my shopping today in a supermarket in the poorer part of town that I happened to be passing through. Plenty of stock available, I suspect because most of the people around there simply don't have the money to buy a load of extra stuff on top of what they usually get. Quite a sobering thought really.
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Somebody told me that there is a billion pounds of extra food been brought in the last week... That's only £15 per person and I'm sure some have brought £150

So yeah I'm in a fortunate position and glad I am...
 
the UK death rate looks like it might be slowing down

still early days but I'm getting optimistic we won't get to Italy levels

great news about the lockdown, finally my old man is taking notice of this!
 
Man of Steel said:
Would anyone know if you already have a cold, can you catch corona on top at the same time? Sorry if it's a silly question but myself and other family members have colds to various degrees and wondered if the body accepted multiple viruses etc.
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Sadly you can, and what is worse it would be easier since your immune system would be weakened.
 
Skills said:
I think it's pretty clear :

"Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home."

That basically means if your employer thinks you can't work from home (yet).
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thats exactly how I read it.

Ive has friends tell me it’s only key workers who can go to work (I.e police/ nurses etc), that might be what they consider the right thing to do, but that’s NOT what the PM has said.

an example is a painter/decorator working in an empty house on his own.Can he go to work tomorrow? Yes, I believe so.He clearly can’t do that job from home, so it’s essential for him to travel to do that work.

whether that’s the right thing to do is another question, but he’s not been directed by the government to stay to home?

I welcome challenges to this - as there are lots of different opinions.
 
The Guardian said:
Here’s the list of retail businesses the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government say are exempt from the prime minister’s order to close down:

  • Supermarkets and other food shops
  • Health shops
  • Pharmacies, including non-dispensing pharmacies
  • Petrol stations
  • Bicycle shops
  • Home and hardware shops
  • Laundrettes and dry cleaners
  • Garages
  • Car rentals
  • Pet shops
  • Corner shops and newsagents
  • Post offices
  • Banks
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