SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)



Hmm, maybe Ireland are closer to implementing similar measures than I thought.


You guys have a pretty easy template to follow. Just do what everyone is doing but 2 weeks earlier if you want to save as many people as possible.
 
UK is still ahead of the curve. Lockdown at 6000 cases is 30% earlier than the worst hit countries.

I wouldn't worry too much about the details, here it took a few days for people to get used to the lockdown and for the government to clarify everything. It wont really take effect until about Thursday or Friday.

Is it? I thought Italy started there lockdown at 7000 cases?
 
Anybody see Michelle O’Neill crying in Stormont, bit surreal to say the least..
 
What to do.

Fly back with BA on next few weeks for £250 direct to london from Lima?

Or wait it out in Peru who have a curfew in place and locked down for last week or so but this country would be back in the stone age if 9 million people get hungry in a few months time.

I can see the benefit of staying here for now but I risk not being able to fly in a few months if things turn bad here.

I would come back as quick as you can.

I personally wouldn't feel totally comfortable but I don't know your situation.
 
Nationwide shutdown was announced on the night we hit 10,000 cases.

Regional Lombardy lockdown was at 7000.

But aren't most of Italy's cases concentrated in Lombardy?

And surely following Italy's example is a dreadful, dreadful idea. Because they themselves are struggling to cope, and though the numbers are turning around the next weeks are still going to get worse for them? And from everything I've read, the NHS' capacity for critical care is less than Italy's?
 
I think it's pretty clear :

"Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home."

That basically means if your employer thinks you can't work from home (yet).

It doesn't mean that. It means this "If the job you do absolutely cannot be done from home then you can travel to your workplace to do that job"

Its only difficult to understand if you want it to be i'nit
 
Ireland behind the UK on this one it seems.

Well, yes and no. We're later introducing "lockdown" but we're also in a rather different place to the UK in terms of our strategy in dealing with the virus. It's not exactly a like for like comparison.
 
Not serve in them but control how many people are allowed in (and potentially enforce any limits to stop panic buying) and ensuring the people outside observe social distancing
Easiest way to avoid bulk buying would be to add Levy tax if the third item of the same thing is scanned.
 
Well, yes and no. We're later introducing "lockdown" but we're also in a rather different place to the UK in terms of our strategy in dealing with the virus. It's not exactly a like for like comparison.
Why not do it now though? Save lives and all that..

That's been the criticism aimed at the government here.
 
Something we will never be able to quantify but so many people will die indirectly because of this chaos. This must be enormously stressful for people who have to pay off their mortgage but are left without income for what could easily extend to 8-10 months, we are all aware of the impact of stress on health. I just don’t see what’s viable exit strategy from these lockdowns. Cases will keep piling up and surely no government will lift restrictions with 100+ daily cases still present. I just don’t see how this ends.
 
It doesn't mean that. It means this "If the job you do absolutely cannot be done from home then you can travel to your workplace to do that job"

Its only difficult to understand if you want it to be i'nit

It will mean in coming days you'll only go to work if it's essential. I'm pretty certain about that. Doesn't matter if you can work from home or not.
 
Something we will never be able to quantify but so many people will die indirectly because of this chaos. This must be enormously stressful for people who have to pay off their mortgage but are left without income for what could easily extend to 8-10 months, we are all aware of the impact of stress on health. I just don’t see what’s viable exit strategy from these lockdowns. Cases will keep piling up and surely no government will lift restrictions with 100+ daily cases still present. I just don’t see how this ends.
Youre looking too far forward. Im expecting a test to be widely available that allows you to know if you have contracted it so you arent a risk anymore and can work again. It has to happen, tok many people will be self isolating for no reason.

If it is this widespread then the econony can get kickstarted again in 3 months. We just need a chance to regroup.
 
The ambiguity around construction is intentional again I think. Most sites will come to their own conclusions that there’s no point organising work beyond the coming days so they’ll naturally begin to wind down and probably be ordered to close on Friday. Avoids the chaos of closing a building site at 9pm the night before.
 
Just got told I'm expected at the office tomorrow. Great.
 
Trump briefing:

'Donald Trump said that very soon “we’re going to be opening up our country”.

Asked by a reporter if that meant “weeks or months,” Trump said, “I’m not looking at months, I can tell you right now.”

“People get tremendous anxiety and depression and you have suicide over things like this, when you have a terrible economy, you have death, definitely would be in far greater numbers than we’re talking about with regard to the virus,” Trump said. “We have a double obligation. We have a great country, there’s no country like it in the world, and there’s no economy like it in the world.”'

(Guardian)
 
Let me guess...you're not a Tory. Am I right?

I’m not British so not a Tory but I do consider myself conservative politically...go on, what have you got? Didn’t expect that did you? Almost like you can’t pigeonhole everyone...

I'd love to respo


And the relevance of this to a guy who lives in Humberside is?

:lol: You’re having an absolute nightmare on here, do you know how forums work?
 
I think it's pretty clear :

"Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home."

That basically means if your employer thinks you can't work from home (yet).
That's how I read it too. The idea that the work itself has to be essential is just made up. As with 'we're in lockdown', no we aren't, that's made up too, there are multiple reasons why people can leave the house, we are not in lockdown.
 
Why not do it now though? Save lives and all that..

That's been the criticism aimed at the government here.

The Irish government have said they're trying to follow the South Korean model, which relied heavily on testing and contact tracing but less so on the sort of lockdown measures other countries have used. Whereas the UK's strategy is less test/trace focused. That's why you get the below disparity even without the ROI currently operating near its hoped for test capacity. Different priorities.



I very much doubt the ROI can actually escape lockdown measures but it wouldn't have surprised me if they were a bit later arriving than in the UK given the different approaches, even without taking into account that social distancing measures might be working better in Ireland. But maybe not.
 
But aren't most of Italy's cases concentrated in Lombardy?

And surely following Italy's example is a dreadful, dreadful idea. Because they themselves are struggling to cope, and though the numbers are turning around the next weeks are still going to get worse for them? And from everything I've read, the NHS' capacity for critical care is less than Italy's?

Yes they are, and it is, but lots of other countries have implemented the same measures at the same time. The UK is definitely early.

It will mean in coming days you'll only go to work if it's essential. I'm pretty certain about that. Doesn't matter if you can work from home or not.

Originally in Italy it was the first meaning, you could go to work if you couldn't work from home. Now it has changed and you can only go if the company performs an essential function.
 
No idea if I'm supposed to go into work now or not.

If its essential, meaning key workers then we should have been put on the list and everyone should know that they are expected to keep working. Like British Gas for example.

If that isn't true IE you haven't been informed you are expected to work on, you should stay at home.

Is that correct?
 
Youre looking too far forward. Im expecting a test to be widely available that allows you to know if you have contracted it so you arent a risk anymore and can work again. It has to happen, tok many people will be self isolating for no reason.

If it is this widespread then the econony can get kickstarted again in 3 months. We just need a chance to regroup.
That is very optimistic. I don’t really see a chance of restrictions being lifted before September/October but maybe I’m too pessimistic too.
 
Trump briefing:

'Donald Trump said that very soon “we’re going to be opening up our country”.

Asked by a reporter if that meant “weeks or months,” Trump said, “I’m not looking at months, I can tell you right now.”

“People get tremendous anxiety and depression and you have suicide over things like this, when you have a terrible economy, you have death, definitely would be in far greater numbers than we’re talking about with regard to the virus,” Trump said. “We have a double obligation. We have a great country, there’s no country like it in the world, and there’s no economy like it in the world.”'

(Guardian)
And he just asked one of the top medical officials in the country “when will the mean media that don’t like me be allowed back in the room?”
 
It doesn't mean that. It means this "If the job you do absolutely cannot be done from home then you can travel to your workplace to do that job"

Its only difficult to understand if you want it to be i'nit

You're coming across as a real prat here, I'm going to work tomorrow, and I want to because I need to pay for rent, and Boris's less than clear speech has many people confused and wondering what's going on - he should be leading the country but he's not doing it effectively.

If I go to work tomorrow and get stopped by the police and they try fining me for going to work who's in the right? Boris's statement on workers could be interpreted differently.
 
No idea if I'm supposed to go into work now or not.

If its essential, meaning key workers then we should have been put on the list and everyone should know that they are expected to keep working. Like British Gas for example.

If that isn't true IE you haven't been informed you are expected to work on, you should stay at home.

Is that correct?
No, the essential work bit is made up, at least for the moment. You can go to work if it's work that you can't do from home. Unless it's specifically in one of the barred groups, like pubs, clubs and so on.