SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Classical Mechanic said:
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Are you just trawling the internet looking for bad news about the UK and Coronavirus these days?

It is concerning though. This is the kind of chart that I've been wanting to see because new cases is pretty useless.

This could be a reason

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Ha, when my timeline is full of happy tweets I promise I'll share them too.

Anyway, in this particular case figured it was bad news for everybody as I had assumed Italy's age profile was the reason for their particularly heavy problem. Yet his next tweet points to a similar issue in Spain as the UK.
 
arnie_ni said:
What do you make of oneills closing yesteday (strabane) before the chancellor announces the government's help for businesses today?

750 people laid off, temporarily hopefully, but id have hope businesses just waited until today to see if real help comes their way
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I heard that last night terrible for the people working there, the must be in dire straits to close the place down without waiting on any help.
Hopefully the government can work something out for them.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Regarding our health service, we actually spend more per capita than a lot of countries, the UK included, which is why it's such a disgrace that our health service is so crap compared to other European countries.
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I heard a great radio interview with a researcher about this a while ago. We need to outspend other countries because we were so far behind them for so long. It's not as simple as just spending loads now, or even for a few years. There's decades to catch up on.
 
Deery said:
I heard that last night terrible for the people working there, the must be in dire straits to close the place down without waiting on any help.
Hopefully the government can work something out for them.
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No doubt its awful, but id imagine the government wil not help those that have already took matters into their own hands. Especially after boris said yesterday to stand by your employees and we'll stand by you.
 
I have walked past my town centre a few times this week whilst out for a walk, keeping a big distance I might add, and the place looks just the same as it did when there was no advice - people having coffees, coming in and out of non important shops like Game and getting food in Subway. Honestly, we need a full lockdown of non essential workers in the UK to happen immediately. Im hoping with Rishi Sunak on with Boris tonight that they will announce something that’ll tie in with help for businesses that MUST now close and some extra SSP for workers
 
My parent in laws who are 73 and 81, have just had their Tesco delivery cancelled, it was meant to be delivered today. The message said that it was due to “store issues”. They are in the medways are of Kent

So, don’t take it as guaranteed that your supplies will be delivered!
 
sullydnl said:
Ha, when my timeline is full of happy tweets I promise I'll share them too.

Anyway, in this particular case figured it was bad news for everybody as I had assumed Italy's age profile was the reason for their particularly heavy problem. Yet his next tweet points to a similar issue in Spain as the UK.
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I wonder if all this will make older people take their health more seriously. My mum and dad are both type 2 diabetic and they've always been completely unconcerned about it because they get pills to take. I don't think they even fully realised that it compromises their ability to survive serious illnesses until Covid-19 arrived.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
I heard a great radio interview with a researcher about this a while ago. We need to outspend other countries because we were so far behind them for so long. It's not as simple as just spending loads now, or even for a few years. There's decades to catch up on.
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Hmm I dunno, not really buying that, I mean it might play a small part but it's not the main reason. The amount of money that's been wasted by the HSE has been shocking. Then you have the Bertie years where they inexplicably centralized the whole thing, absolute disaster that was, and now we are decentralizing it again. And now €2bn for a f*cking 320 bed kids hospital!

We should have a better health service than we do.
 
arnie_ni said:
No doubt its awful, but id imagine the government wil not help those that have already took matters into their own hands. Especially after boris said yesterday to stand by your employees and we'll stand by you.
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Yeah, you can’t see the Tories wanting to help, but maybe Michelle O’Neill can do something especially with the whole GAA aspect involved. I doubt it though
 
Deery said:
Yeah, you can’t see the Tories wanting to help, but maybe Michelle O’Neill can do something especially with the whole GAA aspect involved. I doubt it though
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Trusting michelle or arlene to help anyone is quite funny. They wouldn't agree on the weather.

If michelle wanted money for oneils specifically (which with 750 employees she wouldnt be far wrong) arlene will want money for the orange orders or something silly because they'll miss the 12th parades.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Hmm I dunno, not really buying that, I mean it might play a small part but it's not the main reason. The amount of money that's been wasted by the HSE has been shocking. Then you have the Bertie years where they inexplicably centralized the whole thing, absolute disaster that was, and now we are decentralizing it again. And now €2bn for a f*cking 320 bed kids hospital!

We should have a better health service than we do.
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I mean, you can not buy it, but it was literally the results of research of a person who's research topic it was :) I'll see if I can find it for you later.

It's a systemic issue. We're fundamentally decades behind other countries. A friend of ours had a respiratory problem lately in Czechia and she was sent by her GP to a consultant same-day.
 
Fiskey said:
I imagine the UK will have a pretty high death rate as we have lots of obesity as well.
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We’re a country full of fat, lazy cnuts who drink like crazy, eat like shit and smoke quite a lot too. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if we ended up with the highest fatality rate in Europe.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
I mean, you can not buy it, but it was literally the results of research of a person who's research topic it was :) I'll see if I can find it for you later.

It's a systemic issue. We're fundamentally decades behind other countries. A friend of ours had a respiratory problem lately in Czechia and she was sent by her GP to a consultant same-day.
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I'm confused as to how they're a good example. They've only been a country since 1993..
 
arnie_ni said:
Trusting michelle or arlene to help anyone is quite funny. They wouldn't agree on the weather.

If michelle wanted money for oneils specifically (which with 750 employees she wouldnt be far wrong) arlene will want money for the orange orders or something silly because they'll miss the 12th parades.
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You can count on that, but the DUP also didn’t get any help with Wright Bus or Harald and Wolf this time so maybe am clutching at straws
 
unchanged_lineup said:
Poland is the same then, my partner is from there. This idea of sitting on a waiting list for 18 months is alien to other countries.
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Doesn't that prove my point? We were comparable to countries like Poland and Czech Republic in terms of (lack of) wealth for years. if anything we became wealthier earlier than either of them did. I'm struggling to understand what you're saying. Surely a better example would be Italy? A country that has a lower wealth than us now but a far better health system..
 
Well illustrated hand washing. It's in Spanish, but you get the gist of it.

 
World has hit 250k cases and passed 10k deaths
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sullydnl said:
Ha, when my timeline is full of happy tweets I promise I'll share them too.

Anyway, in this particular case figured it was bad news for everybody as I had assumed Italy's age profile was the reason for their particularly heavy problem. Yet his next tweet points to a similar issue in Spain as the UK.
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I think one factor that may have accelerated things in the UK is that the numbers aren't evenly distributed across the country. London (like Madrid) has a lot of the early cases - in Italy it seemed to be more localised with small towns carrying most of the early cases.
 
Feck, Spain has already reported 171 dead today. And new cases are rising fast.

How are the British expats handled there? Are they going back to Britain?
 
Not perfect but something

https://www.mediterranee-infection....2020/03/Hydroxychloroquine_final_DOI_IJAA.pdf

Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine have been found to be efficient on SARS-CoV-2, and reported to be efficient in Chinese COV-19 patients. We evaluate the role of hydroxychloroquine on respiratory viral loads.
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French Confirmed COVID-19 patients were included in a single arm protocol from early March to March 16th, to receive 600mg of hydroxychloroquine daily and their viral load in nasopharyngeal swabs was tested daily in a hospital setting. Depending on their clinical presentation, azithromycin was added to the treatment. Untreated patients from another center and cases refusing the protocol were included as negative controls. Presence and absence of virus at Day6-post inclusion was considered the end point.
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Six patients were asymptomatic, 22 had upper respiratory tract infection symptoms and eight had lower respiratory tract infection symptoms. Twenty cases were treated in this study and showed a significant reduction of the viral carriage at D6-post inclusion compared to controls, and much lower average carrying duration than reported of untreated patients in the literature. Azithromycin added to hydroxychloroquine was significantly more efficient for virus elimination.
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I posted this in the information thread already, but you can't discuss it there and I know from personal experience that some people miss pinned threads so am sharing it here too. I think this hand washing video is very good! Some nurse or surgeon can confirm? @Penna

 
And now we have the BBC giving a prime time platform to twat-in-chief Tim Martin so he can tell everyone to ignore the health guidelines and come down to Spoons for a pints because it's all "over the top". All out of concern for his customers I'm sure
 
Has there been any reported instances of someone younger than 45 and in good health(non-smoker, no preexisting condition) passing away, apart from that one doctor in Wuhan?

It seems like around 30% of patients in the hospital are younger than 45, but it's hard to find stats over how many of these people pass away(without having a preexisting condition).
 
LBC is a thoroughly depressing listen this morning. So many people in completely dire straits and not knowing where their next pay check is coming from or how they're going to pay bills/buy basic necessities.

Government is being far too slow to act.
 
golden_blunder said:
My parent in laws who are 73 and 81, have just had their Tesco delivery cancelled, it was meant to be delivered today. The message said that it was due to “store issues”. They are in the medways are of Kent

So, don’t take it as guaranteed that your supplies will be delivered!
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Yep, most Tesco home delivery stuff is literally a Tesco assistant walking around the normal shop, picking up your stuff and putting it in the bag. There's a limit to how many substitutions a shop will make before the order becomes impossible - particularly when basics like milk, eggs, loo roll, soap shelves are empty.

It's why Morrisons (and presumably other supermarkets) are trying to set up packing lines to put together standard hampers of stuff for delivery. That's such a change in their systems though that it'll take a week or two before we see it.

Meanwhile all the best to your in-laws I hope they get better news (and what they need) soon.
 
Going to be tough for UK with mothers day this Sunday, Easter and the sun coming out this time of year.

We should be staying in and wearing masks to the shops and around other family members but we'll do the exact opposite.

One of the big reasons we don't see outbreaks in other Asian countries is masks stop most or all droplets going up into the air. Just think how fast it can spread if someone coughs in a supermarket or at home, multiple people exposed who then expose others and it rapidly spreads. Also masks can stop you breathing in heavy dose of airborne droplets. I see people coughing on food shelves, with a mask on you can stop doing that but of course you need to change them often. People in the west just don't want to wear masks, like when bicycle helmets were seen as funny looking but decades later we got used to them.
 
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Massive Spanner said:
Doesn't that prove my point? We were comparable to countries like Poland and Czech Republic in terms of (lack of) wealth for years. if anything we became wealthier earlier than either of them did. I'm struggling to understand what you're saying. Surely a better example would be Italy? A country that has a lower wealth than us now but a far better health system..
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They had better health systems than us on communist times too apparently.
 
Tucholsky said:
Feck, Spain has already reported 171 dead today. And new cases are rising fast.

How are the British expats handled there? Are they going back to Britain?
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I think the residents will have stayed, because they won't see any advantage in returning - unless it's for family reasons. A surprising number of tourists, including some I know who spend a chunk of winter there, seem to be in the hunkered down phase as well.

Outside Madrid, the health system still seems to be coping. Everywhere where I know people seems to be on a "food/medicine shop only + no contact local walking" pattern with police enforcement.

Businesses that have (non food) retail operations are shut as are any services that require home visits like gardeners etc.
 
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