SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Useful graphic on social distancing.
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Irish science guy says the rise in cases is in line with projections, will be another week before we see the impact of measures already taken, no immediate plan to increase measures for the time being. 43 the median age of those confirmed with the virus, 2% of cases admitted to ICU.
 
Yea i agree. I think it is 2021 at best before this dies down. You might have peaks and troughs though. Where we think it is gone and then three months later it is back and so on.

That is what I meant by on/off stages.


If this is true and i honestly have no idea if it is, countries will simply go bankrupt, people will lose homes, modern day life will change for 2 years dramatically and the world economy will be over.

Not necessarily. I don't mean a total lockdown for 2 years, that just won't happen, but I think something like Singapore/Korea is gonna happen. No mass gatherings (so RIP football), social distancing all the time, but people will go to work (while being careful), and kids will go to school (and being tested heavily). With partial temp lockdowns when the situations worsens.

It is clear that the virus will stay with us, so it is either herd immunity (with tens of millions of deaths, if we extrapolate Imperial college numbers to the entire world, it is 90m deaths), or we need to chill down for 2 years or so until the entire world gets vaccinated.
 
Only starting to get warmer now in the Middle East. Iran is mostly wet and cold throughout the winter and early spring.

I don't why but there is something strange. If you look at the most affected regions in European it's basically the area between the Po Valley and North Rhine-westphalia, of course these regions are cold at this time of the year but they are also densely populated and have a lot of contact with the world through their industries.
 
There's a 38 day gap there.
It's clear that it's the WHO under the incompetent (bribed?) leadership of Tedros that has played a huge part in this current pandemic.

The fact is they repeatedly advised against travel bans early in the outbreak and refused to acknowledge a pandemic despite clear evidence (hence the 38 day gap)
 
That is what I meant by on/off stages.




Not necessarily. I don't mean a total lockdown for 2 years, that just won't happen, but I think something like Singapore/Korea is gonna happen. No mass gatherings (so RIP football), social distancing all the time, but people will go to work (while being careful), and kids will go to school (and being tested heavily). With partial temp lockdowns when the situations worsens.

It is clear that the virus will stay with us, so it is either herd immunity (with tens of millions of deaths, if we extrapolate Imperial college numbers to the entire world, it is 90m deaths), or we need to chill down for 2 years or so until the entire world gets vaccinated.

Im not so sure, here in Northern Ireland we have mostly small to medium sized bussinesses, like alot of smaller countries, in 2 days we have seen 2,000 confirmed jobs go. Thats 2000 people straight onto benifit and 2000 people at rish of becoming homeless, and we all know the problem with social housing. Its a ripple effect that job loses will have, less money, not having lunch in cafes, spendign on luxeries etc.

Even if the lockdowns are only in spells that gives n stability for any bussiness to stay viable. Even big bussiness like car manufacture are closing, while this may not be permanant the impact on a local economy will be massive for a prolonged period of time.
 
It's clear that it's the WHO under the incompetent (bribed?) leadership of Tedros that has played a huge part in this current pandemic.

The fact is they repeatedly advised against travel bans early in the outbreak and refused to acknowledge a pandemic despite clear evidence (hence the 38 day gap)
There is an actual 38 day gap in WHO statements and positions on this outbreak or is it selective presentation by the incompetent (bribed?) creator of the visual?
 
IMF and EBRD already offered exact numbers for loans and rates to our country for solving economical problems. Fecking state of the people we leave on this Earth with, fecking capitalists.
 
676 new cases in the UK - puts us about 15 days behind Italy doesn't it?
Good luck, they're extending the quarantine period here and considering more restrictions than we already have, which are bad enough. I knew they'd have to run it well beyond Easter week, that's a big deal here and everyone would be outside if they were told they could socialise again.
 
676 new cases in the UK - puts us about 15 days behind Italy doesn't it?

If you look at deaths, which is more interesting because it isn’t influenced by testing, we’re about 14 days behind and the next 7 days (if we follow their trend) is where shit starts to go off. They went from about 150 to a 1000 in the same time frame
 
There is an actual 38 day gap in WHO statements and positions on this outbreak or is it selective presentation by the incompetent (bribed?) creator of the visual?
The point of the visual is the WHO seriously messed up in the early stages.

 
Im not so sure, here in Northern Ireland we have mostly small to medium sized bussinesses, like alot of smaller countries, in 2 days we have seen 2,000 confirmed jobs go. Thats 2000 people straight onto benifit and 2000 people at rish of becoming homeless, and we all know the problem with social housing. Its a ripple effect that job loses will have, less money, not having lunch in cafes, spendign on luxeries etc.

Even if the lockdowns are only in spells that gives n stability for any bussiness to stay viable. Even big bussiness like car manufacture are closing, while this may not be permanant the impact on a local economy will be massive for a prolonged period of time.
Oh, there will be catastrophic economical consequences, don't get me wrong. I think the recession is gonna be the biggest recession since the big depression and will make the 2008 recession look cute in comparison.

But I do not see any other alternative until the vaccine comes. You either cull 1-2% of the population (which will crash the economy anyway), or you accept the recession. I don't see a third solution.
 
So what's todays news? Pretty much same as yesterday, no lockdown, just advising people not to gather?
I genuinely feel like we're in this awkward situation where good results aren't yet visible while still being affected by the new social distancing rules. We're really fighting an invisible enemy here.
 
Good luck, they're extending the quarantine period here and considering more restrictions than we already have, which are bad enough. I knew they'd have to run it well beyond Easter week, that's a big deal here and everyone would be outside if they were told they could socialise again.
Is there any explanation why the speed of new infections is not decreasing? When is that expected to happen?
 
All my Mum's social circle are going on as normal. Line dancing, pubs, having coffees, planning to see families for Mother's Day. My mother is giving me shit for keeping her in. I'm fighting a losing battle.

fecking Boris the shitc**t isn't messaging firmly enough and it's going to be a disaster if we follow the Italy numbers.
 
Oh, there will be catastrophic economical consequences, don't get me wrong. I think the recession is gonna be the biggest recession since the big depression and will make the 2008 recession look cute in comparison.

But I do not see any other alternative until the vaccine comes. You either cull 1-2% of the population (which will crash the economy anyway), or you accept the recession. I don't see a third solution.

Its truely a mess, a vaccine or at least a successful treatment is the only thing we can hope for.
 
All my Mum's social circle are going on as normal. Line dancing, pubs, having coffees, planning to see families for Mother's Day. My mother is giving me shit for keeping her in. I'm fighting a losing battle.

fecking Boris the shitc*nt isn't messaging firmly enough and it's going to be a disaster if we follow the Italy numbers.
At this stage blaming him is stupid. There has been so much information on this from various legit sources, if people don't listen to it, then they have only themselves to blame.

Boris is still a shitcnut though.
 
Probably jumping the gun here, but I’m starting to come around to the idea that this virus simply does not spread to the same degree in warmer climates. If it did, there would surely have been at least one severe outbreak in a tropical country that we’d know about by now?
Social media posts from doctors and front line medical staff in Bangladesh points to a very big cover up of deaths... I think south Asia is fecked.
 
Does anyone have stats regarding seasonal flu deaths in Italy in a regular flu season? Wondering how those numbers compare with the current covid-19 numbers.
 
At this stage blaming him is stupid. There has been so much information on this from various legit sources, if people don't listen to it, then they have only themselves to blame.

Boris is still a shitcnut though.


His briefings are far too jovial. He isn't getting the seriousness across and he should be leading by making the hard decisions.
 
All my Mum's social circle are going on as normal. Line dancing, pubs, having coffees, planning to see families for Mother's Day. My mother is giving me shit for keeping her in. I'm fighting a losing battle.

fecking Boris the shitc*nt isn't messaging firmly enough and it's going to be a disaster if we follow the Italy numbers.

It wouldn't do any good. Our president, who is adored by the elderly, was on the verge of tears in a recent press conference and said something along the lines of "I beg you on my knees please please please please do not go out".

They are still going out.
 
Oh, there will be catastrophic economical consequences, don't get me wrong. I think the recession is gonna be the biggest recession since the big depression and will make the 2008 recession look cute in comparison.

But I do not see any other alternative until the vaccine comes. You either cull 1-2% of the population (which will crash the economy anyway), or you accept the recession. I don't see a third solution.
And these catastrophic economical consequences will probably lead to more deaths in the long-run. The modern societies of the "Western civilisation" are not ready to go back and live a more primitive lifestyle. It will be chaos and it will cause huge social unrest.

It's a slippery slope, in my country I don't see a lockdown lasting more than another 2 weeks. We are the poorest in the EU and the majority of people don't have any proper savings, especially people involved in the small and medium sized businesses. And now the government wants to vote for new laws that prematurely tax businesses for 2020, based on results from 2018. It will turn into a riot and huge protests, because tens of thousands of people, maybe even more, will lose their jobs and livelihoods.
 
His briefings are far too jovial. He isn't getting the seriousness across and he should be leading by making the hard decisions.
I agree, but at the end of the day, if grown up literate people still have not realized that the situation is serious, then the blame is for them. Why on Earth needs someone Boris the shitcnut to tell them to stay home considering all the other sources that are saying to stay home. I mean, come on, people should be rational and put the responsibility on themselves if the government does feck all. And it is not that we're asking to go to war, just stay home as much as possible.
 
All my Mum's social circle are going on as normal. Line dancing, pubs, having coffees, planning to see families for Mother's Day. My mother is giving me shit for keeping her in. I'm fighting a losing battle.

fecking Boris the shitc*nt isn't messaging firmly enough and it's going to be a disaster if we follow the Italy numbers.

There is only so much BJ can do, Itally has charged 40,000 for breaking the lockdown in 6 days. Thats a county where hondreds are dying daily, I feel once the Corona Law passes you will hear a different tone, but sure BJ gets torn to shreads for that too. I dislike him as much as anyone, but people need to take personal responibilty on this and stop finger pointing.
 
And these catastrophic economical consequences will probably lead to more deaths in the long-run. The modern societies of the "Western civilisation" are not ready to go back and live a more primitive lifestyle. It will be chaos and it will cause huge social unrest.

It's a slippery slope, in my country I don't see a lockdown lasting more than another 2 weeks. We are the poorest in the EU and the majority of people don't have any proper savings, especially people involved in the small and medium sized businesses. And now the government wants to vote for new laws that prematurely tax businesses for 2020, based on results from 2018. It will turn into a riot and huge protests, because tens of thousands of people, maybe even more, will lose their jobs and livelihoods.
It might well be the case. In any way, I do not see the entire world keeping those constraints. Some countries will get herd immunity (most of Africa for example, who cannot afford lockdowns, but at the same time have a very young population which is relatively not vulnerable), those that can will wait for a vaccine. But yes, one way or another it is gonna be bad. Easily, the most negative thing that happened to the world since WW2.
 
Unfortunately there's enough people not taking this seriously to still cause a vast spread. Now kids are off school, more people are likely to be out and about too acting like it's a half term.
 
Just discussing with the wife but Tesco are planning on letting NHS in for an hour before everyone else on sundays, now is just me that thinks a group of probably infected people touching produce before the public go in might not be the wisest idea?
 
I agree, but at the end of the day, if grown up literate people still have not realized that the situation is serious, then the blame is for them. Why on Earth needs someone Boris the shitcnut to tell them to stay home considering all the other sources that are saying to stay home. I mean, come on, people should be rational and put the responsibility on themselves if the government does feck all. And it is not that we're asking to go to war, just stay home as much as possible.


That video of the gym, someone literally says they have to just take it on the chin.

That is why johnson is a danger. His glib bullshit is repeated because hes the PM.
 
Just discussing with the wife but Tesco are planning on letting NHS in for an hour before everyone else on sundays, now is just me that thinks a group of probably infected people touching produce before the public go in might not be the wisest idea?

Maybe put some signs up asking them not to finger the salad?