SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

RobinLFC said:
This recent Forbes article mentions 17.9% show no symptons, don't know how accurate that is or if the sample size is big enough but it's definitely a significant part, I'd say.

I'm by no means an expert so can't answer your second question with any certainty but I'd guess that the body of young people produces antibodies quickly enough so that you don't get sick / show symptons.
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Thanks for the link. That’s a high percentage!
 
dwd said:
Sounds like better numbers for us (the UK) today?

63 new cases and only 4 deaths. That can't be right?
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I dont think England has announced today yet, that might just be Wales and Scotland so far, it gets updated throughout the day as more regions announce new figures
 
Zlatan 7 said:
So it’s been a few weeks since this man came back, he’s likely to be one of the % that doesn’t show or have any symptoms. But he would have infected his wife when he got back but it’s been a couple of weeks and until she shows symptoms? (I don’t know if she even has)

It’s so strange and scary at the same time.

Anyone know the percentage of people who catches this without ever knowing or showing symptoms ? How can you have a virus come and go without even knowing about it!?
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No-one really knows just how many people don't show symptoms. There are a couple of studies that have come up with estimates (basically best guesses at this point). One says about 17%, but is based on an average age of 60 and incomplete data, another estimates just over 30%. The 30% one has a giant confidence interval (anything from 7 - 50%).
 
To some it's just like a normal flu. Bit of fever and a cough. Others get it like pneumonia. Testing is the only way to find out. Korea was testing about 16,000 per day. Most people die due to lack of facilities. The Japanese flu vaccine is working on most people unless they are the extreme cases. HIV vaccine is also working but none of these are approved by the western countries. The USA has no equipment and other stuff required too. The Chinese seem to be the only country where they can supply these to the other countries. They have sent a lot to Europe and other Asian countries.
The USA need them too but Trump has a sanction against China so the US suppliers can't import them to USA.
Bojo doesn't know if he is sitting on his arse or standing up.
 
Ekkie Thump said:
No-one really knows just how many people don't show symptoms. There are a couple of studies that have come up with estimates (basically best guesses at this point). One says about 17%, but is based on an average age of 60 and incomplete data, another estimates just over 30%. The 30% one has a giant confidence interval (anything from 7 - 50%).
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Thanks
 
TwoSheds said:
No science is right but some science is clearly wrong. You need to have a long hard think about why our government chose the riskiest possible advice rather than listening to the scientists who have successfully tackled it in China and South Korea. The answer, as always, is bias. They liked the results so they assumed it was correct even though the assumptions were flawed at a basic level as the majority of scientists pointed out.
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This. It makes a ton of sense to me that the US and the UK would be among the last countries to put welfare over continuing production and profit.
 
Ekkie Thump said:
No-one really knows just how many people don't show symptoms. There are a couple of studies that have come up with estimates (basically best guesses at this point). One says about 17%, but is based on an average age of 60 and incomplete data, another estimates just over 30%. The 30% one has a giant confidence interval (anything from 7 - 50%).
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It's thought that the younger you are the less likely you are to show symptoms too. My guess is that the asymptomatic are at the high end of the margin of error.
 
can't order anything online, tesco, ocado, amazon fresh are all fully booked. my local tesco and sainsburys full of empty shelves now. i've ordered hello fresh for next week, might just stick to that for the time being (and hope they can maintain demand).
 
Are supermarkets holding back stock? I don’t understand if they haven’t been yet - they don’t keep things off the shelves and reserve them for those most in need. It’s shite and will be a slow process but people are assholes which has been shown with the empty shelves.
 
11101 said:
The UK is not China and it's not South Korea. To blindly listen to others would be a huge mistake. There is no other country with the same makeup of health services, population and cultures. And no scientist or expert you have seen in the media knows what they all are unless they are employed by the government and given access to that information, and even then some things are just an unknown. Good modelling relies on proper inputs and a constant adaptation of those inputs in response to new information. That seems to be exactly what the UK has done.
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Look you're obviously a believer, there's probably not much point me arguing with you but I'll make one last point. The WHO, South Korea, China, Italy etc etc had a lot of information about death rates, intensive care rates, R0 etc for this virus. All of it naturally has levels of uncertainty associated, but there was absolutely no need to make assumptions based on viral pneumonia unless they were just bluffing their way through on a wing and a prayer. They should have been ready given the advance warning they had and they still don't seem to know what they want to do about it other than react piecemeal as they get stick from different quarters. Anyway, I'm out now, feck Boris.
 
Place has gone mad over toilet rolls be careful very strong language..

 
Giggs86 said:
https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-...381.html?ncid=facebook_yahoonewsf_akfmevaatca

One big family, 3 died and another 3 in critical condition. No underlying conditions. What am I missing here?
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Horribly, and tragically for the family concerned, it's often these kind of cases that let the researchers get new insight into what influences the disease - whether that turns out to be genetic or otherwise. Sometimes the clues they find in the tragedies give them other clues in terms of treatment or vaccine development.
 
Are all stoners complete feckhead conspiracy theorists? Got a couple of 'mates' who smoke a lot and both of them think this is a conspiracy.

Latest Facebook pearl -

"Strangle small business, reduce community interaction, divide people, discourage cash-handling, coerce the people and leave all the pickings for the big companies, perhaps? "

Such an edge lord :wenger:
 
TwoSheds said:
No science is right but some science is clearly wrong. You need to have a long hard think about why our government chose the riskiest possible advice rather than listening to the scientists who have successfully tackled it in China and South Korea. The answer, as always, is bias. They liked the results so they assumed it was correct even though the assumptions were flawed at a basic level as the majority of scientists pointed out.
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I'd be very sceptical about China. South Korea have done great, and so have Singapore, but both of these countries benefited massively from the infrastructure they developed and the learning they could take from the SARS outbreak. This lecture is very informative. Our society could not have possibly responded the way they did.
 
Garethw said:
I hope so mate. we are running low on nappies and baby formula :(
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I'm not saying there are scummy people out there but there is plenty on Amazon if you have wads of cash, seems people went in and picked up a 'little' bit more than they needed.
 
CassiusClaymore said:
Are all stoners complete feckhead conspiracy theorists? Got a couple of 'mates' who smoke a lot and both of them think this is a conspiracy.

Latest Facebook pearl -

"Strangle small business, reduce community interaction, divide people, discourage cash-handling, coerce the people and leave all the pickings for the big companies, perhaps? "

Such an edge lord :wenger:
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haha yeah sounds about right. my sister is a huge stoner and she loves a good conspiracy theory. she said this is just about culling the populaton, or something.
 
CassiusClaymore said:
Are all stoners complete feckhead conspiracy theorists? Got a couple of 'mates' who smoke a lot and both of them think this is a conspiracy.

Latest Facebook pearl -

"Strangle small business, reduce community interaction, divide people, discourage cash-handling, coerce the people and leave all the pickings for the big companies, perhaps? "

Such an edge lord :wenger:
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I heard it was the American government trying to stop China from leading in the world trade and it was some kind of weapon that’s why America had so few cases..
 
TMDaines said:
I'd be very sceptical about China. South Korea have done great, and so have Singapore, but both of these countries benefited massively from the infrastructure they developed and the learning they could take from the SARS outbreak. This lecture is very informative. Our society could not have possibly responded the way they did.
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I'm not talking about the response I'm talking about the modelling data. People keep saying the science has changed. It clearly hasn't though, we chose to listen to the interpretation of a load of numpties because we liked the sound of the outcome. Sorry, "exit strategy". fecking smartarse quick fix cowboy Tory twats.
 
March 19th

The NHS has announced that a further 29 people who tested positive for coronavirus in England have died, bringing the total number of confirmed reported deaths in England to 128. It says the patients were aged between 47 and 96 years old and had underlying health conditions.

These are hospital where the latest patients died:

  • London North West University Healthcare NHS Trust - 2
  • King’s College Hospital NHS Foundation Trust - 1
  • Barts Health NHS Trust - 2
  • North Middlesex University Hospital NHS Trust - 2
  • Lewisham and Greenwich NHS Trust - 3
  • Homerton University Hospital Foundation Trust - 1
  • Barking Havering and Redbridge University Hospital NHS Trust- 4
  • Epsom and St. Helier NHS Trust - 2
  • Croydon Health NHS Trust - 1
  • The Dudley Group NHS Foundation Trust - 2
  • University Hospitals Birmingham NHS Foundation Trust- 1
  • Royal Wolverhampton NHS Trust - 3
  • Sheffield Teaching Hospital NHS Foundation Trust- 1
  • Northumbria Healthcare NHS Foundation Trust - 1
  • Sandwell and West Birmingham NHS Trust - 2
  • Oxford University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust - 1
Total: 29

It takes the total number of deaths in the UK to 137
 
I don't if it has been mentioned in this thread but the french army is installing a field hospital in Mulhouse, the Grand Est has been hit very hard by the virus.
 
Zlatan 7 said:
So it’s been a few weeks since this man came back, he’s likely to be one of the % that doesn’t show or have any symptoms. But he would have infected his wife when he got back but it’s been a couple of weeks and until she shows symptoms? (I don’t know if she even has)

It’s so strange and scary at the same time.

Anyone know the percentage of people who catches this without ever knowing or showing symptoms ? How can you have a virus come and go without even knowing about it!?
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There virsus out there that do not affect certain populases. For example Hepetitis A is a nasty (usually non serious) viral infection. Though the virus is rarer nowadays, children are completely immune to it's symptoms if they catch it.
 
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