SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Been waiting for this take:

 
Just lost a mate over this. He was in New York from Friday until yesterday, went to all the pubs he could and managed to get home late last night. Today, Snapchat of him in aldi.

what a fecking moron, and this someone I’ve gone on lads holidays with.
 
Same as the under 25 group.

Same as people from all age groups. Ageism is rife on this thread. When all the over 65’s are all dead who will take the blame?
Shops here are packed full every morning, hardly anyone uses free trolley, no social distancing, just masses of people of all ages after yet another bogroll or anything they need several of in case it runs out.
Cant wait for the schools to close then there will be masses of board kids roaming the streets.
 
Just lost a mate over this. He was in New York from Friday until yesterday, went to all the pubs he could and managed to get home late last night. Today, Snapchat of him in aldi.

what a fecking moron, and this someone I’ve gone on lads holidays with.
they say you are who your friends are.
 


When idiots organise a flash revolution.

Edit.. looks like this is a few days old before the French lockdown. They're still morons though.
 
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Just lost a mate over this. He was in New York from Friday until yesterday, went to all the pubs he could and managed to get home late last night. Today, Snapchat of him in aldi.

what a fecking moron, and this someone I’ve gone on lads holidays with.

Sounds like he deserved to die...sorry for your loss.

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As I thought, the quarantine period is going to be extended here in Italy, and restrictions may be tightened.
https://www.thelocal.it/20200319/it...ntine-period-beyond-april-3-and-tighten-rules
The problem Italy has got is that flattening the curve, once you have already gone way past the point that healthcare systems can cope,
is simply not enough. You’re still drowning that point. I think a lot of countries will find that at some point. I do not know have far you can go with restrictions and for how long.
 
Nigeria now has 12 cases. 10 of them in Lagos. Think we on the verge of a catastrophe.
The country had only one case, this time last week. It had over a month to shut its borders.
 
Sorry for the wall of text, this is how I de-stress from work and not go insane. Rant over.

Thanks for sharing.

I'm somewhat terrified of what I'll find if they do call me to the hospital.
 
Found the culprits behind the corona virus and yes it's a certain three letter organisation

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How many times do we need to reemphasise this? No government, and certainly not the UK one, follows and sticks to a single model or paper. Multiple models from all the best sites in the UK are constantly being rerun and analysed. Governments are going to adjust their strategy every time new lessons and fresher, higher quality data is available. No shit that that will likely save lives. No government in the world, especially those who handle this most successfully, will have done so by selecting a plan early on and then tunnel-visioning into it and not adjusting as necessary.

Nobody, and I mean absolutely nobody, knows all the correct assumptions and input data the models need to get the best solutions. The more confident someone is, the less you should trust them. The authors of the Imperial paper themselves were absolutely clear on that. They too will do future research and, some of which will counteract some of their earlier recommendations. I only hope our government continues to factor that into their thinking. They won't be a u-turn either.



No science is right but some science is clearly wrong. You need to have a long hard think about why our government chose the riskiest possible advice rather than listening to the scientists who have successfully tackled it in China and South Korea. The answer, as always, is bias. They liked the results so they assumed it was correct even though the assumptions were flawed at a basic level as the majority of scientists pointed out.
 
It's honestly really starting to grind on me, with everything going on in the country, that our employers are STILL requiring us to come in when we can completely work from home. Why are so many unnecessary risks being taken for zero value added...
 
It's honestly really starting to grind on me, with everything going on in the country, that our employers are STILL requiring us to come in when we can completely work from home. Why are so many unnecessary risks being taken for zero value added...
Probably the need to micromanage you because I can't imagine there much financial benefit in doing so.
 
No science is right but some science is clearly wrong. You need to have a long hard think about why our government chose the riskiest possible advice rather than listening to the scientists who have successfully tackled it in China and South Korea. The answer, as always, is bias. They liked the results so they assumed it was correct even though the assumptions were flawed at a basic level as the majority of scientists pointed out.

The UK is not China and it's not South Korea. To blindly listen to others would be a huge mistake. There is no other country with the same makeup of health services, population and cultures. And no scientist or expert you have seen in the media knows what they all are unless they are employed by the government and given access to that information, and even then some things are just an unknown. Good modelling relies on proper inputs and a constant adaptation of those inputs in response to new information. That seems to be exactly what the UK has done.
 
Are you in Peru? You live there right? Are you trying to get back to UK or staying out?

My sister is one of those stuck out there. She is a doctor who was doing a research project in Puno, so it's just not a case of travellers not following advice as in that response above. They tried to change their scheduled flight (from May) earlier in the week and travel to Lima for it, but before they could get there the flights were cancelled and they are now stuck in lockdown back in Puno.
Yes, I'm in Lima but I haven't got my resident visa yet and I suspect things like that will a lot longer than usual.

I am happy to hunker down here for now. But maybe not a few months down the line if things turn ugly.
 
My bro in law is a very senior doctor in the NHS. He says the government has no clue or is spinning this. They are told to treat it as pneumonia but this is not pneumonia.
He says it's going to be disastrous for the UK. All should listen to what China eventually did to control it.
 
They had to close one of the largest hospitals in Warsaw indefinitely because one of the doctors returned from Italy a couple of weeks ago and did not report it, did not self-quarantine, and now his wife tested positive and apparently so has he. If true, he may have infected hundreds by himself. We have no chance to fight this.

Does this mean he would have had it a couple of weeks without showing any symptoms or feeling ill? And now they’ve found out he’s got it. So how long do you have this before you even show any illness?
 
Does this mean he would have had it a couple of weeks without showing any symptoms or feeling ill? And now they’ve found out he’s got it. So how long do you have this before you even show any illness?

A certain % contract the illness and never show symptoms. Usual onset of symptoms is between 2-14 days with an average of around 5.2. I think there have been some outliers that have taken longer but they seem to be very rare.
 
Does this mean he would have had it a couple of weeks without showing any symptoms or feeling ill? And now they’ve found out he’s got it. So how long do you have this before you even show any illness?
On average around 5 days but the problem is that a lot of people who are infected don't even show any symptons at all so there's no way to know without testing.
 
On the FT site - I'd monitor the US, UK, and India curves closely in the coming days. The lack of testing in India and the US should make global numbers soar in the near term imo.
13.3k tested in India so far (not including today).

Anywhere I can check this up against figures from other countries? Looks quite low.
 
Managed to find some pasta and toilet paper in a shop near me, not that I needed any so I left it.

Lucky too, as it turns out they were charging £5 for a pack of four and the owner was arguing with a customer about it. He seemed genuine saying most smaller suppliers have marked everything up ridiculous prices and that he has been not putting the price up himself, but now has to or simply not stock it. I'm not sure how true that is, but I wouldn't doubt it for a second there's many pocketing off of this.
 
A certain % contract the illness and never show symptoms. Usual onset of symptoms is between 2-14 days with an average of around 5.2. I think there have been some outliers that have taken longer but they seem to be very rare.
On average around 5 days but the problem is that a lot of people who are infected don't even show any symptons at all so there's no way to know without testing.

So it’s been a few weeks since this man came back, he’s likely to be one of the % that doesn’t show or have any symptoms. But he would have infected his wife when he got back but it’s been a couple of weeks and until she shows symptoms? (I don’t know if she even has)

It’s so strange and scary at the same time.

Anyone know the percentage of people who catches this without ever knowing or showing symptoms ? How can you have a virus come and go without even knowing about it!?
 
So it’s been a few weeks since this man came back, he’s likely to be one of the % that doesn’t show or have any symptoms. But he would have infected his wife when he got back but it’s been a couple of weeks and until she shows symptoms? (I don’t know if she even has)

It’s so strange and scary at the same time.

Anyone know the percentage of people who catches this without ever knowing or showing symptoms ? How can you have a virus come and go without even knowing about it!?
This recent Forbes article mentions 17.9% show no symptons, don't know how accurate that is or if the sample size is big enough but it's definitely a significant part, I'd say.

I'm by no means an expert so can't answer your second question with any certainty but I'd guess that the body of young people produces antibodies quickly enough so that you don't get sick / show symptons.