I’m not sure. I don’t think there’s much reason to believe it given they’ve begun expelling foreign journalists. Still I’ll cling to whatever optimism I can find. News from East Asia in general has been relatively positive and gives me hope that Europe can get a handle on this thing in the short-term at least.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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I’m not sure. I don’t think there’s much reason to believe it given they’ve begun expelling foreign journalists. Still I’ll cling to whatever optimism I can find. News from East Asia in general has been relatively positive and gives me hope that Europe can get a handle on this thing in the short-term at least.
So you do disagree with how China have overcome this? You think they should have lost way, way more lives instead?
If by crack on, you mean return to a degree of normality after the next 4 weeks, absolutely I agree.
We'll still have to see some social distancing measures etc, but full lockdown for longer than that will have disastrous ramifications that could end way worse than what they are designed to prevent.
Hopefully after 4 tough weeks, people can continue to change their habits and let this virus work through the population at a much slower rate.
Two-part piece here on the situation in Iran. Unfortunately it doesn’t assess the impact of US sanctions (unsurprising given it’s WINEP):
Coronavirus in Iran (Part One): Clerical Factors
Coronavirus in Iran (Part Two): Regime Culpability and Resiliency
Coronavirus in Iran (Part One): Clerical Factors
Coronavirus in Iran (Part Two): Regime Culpability and Resiliency
Definitely not a clinician, although work in the NHS! Just very happy to keep pointing people towards and summarising the correct official NHS and GOV.UK guidance, and assuage anyone worrying too much about the impact this will have pregnancy.
Finding this whole situation very interesting so just reading everything I can get my hands on too.
I think pausing work for a bit is on the opposite side of the unfortunate scale?
Nobody is saying we will spend months and months locked away, why does this argument keep getting made? A slow few months until we get a handle of it ala China is preferable to many months of what Italy is going through. Imagine the death toll there if they had the ah well people will die anyway, lets crack on mentality.
Its like you people are making excuses to get out before youre even locked down. No willpower at all.
We have to surpress this wave or hospitals etc will be overwhelmed by thousands of people we cant help which leads to non Conoravurus sufferers losing their lives as well. Its basic stuff thats repeated but it needs to be said time and time again. Nothing has changed. That hell is coming.we are just bracing ourselves for it.
Work can wait. Read a book. This isnt a choice we can make and we will cross future bridges when we get there.
This is exactly what I meant.
I'm aware the assumptions are not proven
Folks in Ireland, this is cool.
https://andsim.shinyapps.io/coronamobile/_w_14cd7cce/_w_cd8dc5da/
Looks like we're still on the exponential path, but apparently distancing is helping hugely with contact tracking.
https://andsim.shinyapps.io/coronamobile/_w_14cd7cce/_w_cd8dc5da/
Looks like we're still on the exponential path, but apparently distancing is helping hugely with contact tracking.
Do we think this is legit then or just a push to get factory workers back in the game?
That's like going to OT and being told just 150 are going to die from that.
And that is with the healthcare system not overwhelmed yet.. which it is will get at some point.
Hardly odds anyone should willingly take...
That Italy scaled to Ireland graph is scary.
A few things I was going to mention in this rather macabre thread:
1. The hype that has been stirred up by the media is pretty terrifying, however, this is vastly helping the NHS. We need the media to continue with the fear factor as this tends to drive people away from the hospitals. Obviously people know when they're really unwell and will seek assistance, but the cohort we need to keep away are the relatively fit ones with mild symptoms that dont need admission - stay at home, watch the news and cower in fear more please. You're helping.
2. China has closed it's last coronavirus hospital as there are not enough cases to keep it open*
3. There has been significant worldwide progress on COVID research and treatment - Canada, USA + Singapore, Israel, Germany amongst others are leading the way
4. Plasma from newly recovered COVID patients can treat others infected by COVID*
5. If I was playing Plague Inc right now, I'd be annoyed at the progress the world is making on the vaccine and angered by the few DNA points I have left. Madagascar and Greenland still untouched. Bastards.
*I don't have links to these. But we need some positivity occasionally in this wrist-slitting thread.
1. The hype that has been stirred up by the media is pretty terrifying, however, this is vastly helping the NHS. We need the media to continue with the fear factor as this tends to drive people away from the hospitals. Obviously people know when they're really unwell and will seek assistance, but the cohort we need to keep away are the relatively fit ones with mild symptoms that dont need admission - stay at home, watch the news and cower in fear more please. You're helping.
2. China has closed it's last coronavirus hospital as there are not enough cases to keep it open*
3. There has been significant worldwide progress on COVID research and treatment - Canada, USA + Singapore, Israel, Germany amongst others are leading the way
4. Plasma from newly recovered COVID patients can treat others infected by COVID*
5. If I was playing Plague Inc right now, I'd be annoyed at the progress the world is making on the vaccine and angered by the few DNA points I have left. Madagascar and Greenland still untouched. Bastards.
*I don't have links to these. But we need some positivity occasionally in this wrist-slitting thread.
65 new deaths in spain. I think we can get this under control sooner than expected. Fingers crossed.
This is the official stance of the Scottish Government. Released yesterday:
https://hpspubsrepo.blob.core.windo...D-19-Guidance-for-non-healthcare-settings.pdf
Highly likely to change but remains in keeping with the UK stance I believe. The two have been known to differ slightly.
https://hpspubsrepo.blob.core.windo...D-19-Guidance-for-non-healthcare-settings.pdf
Highly likely to change but remains in keeping with the UK stance I believe. The two have been known to differ slightly.
Funnily enough, the company i do some consulting for in HK just sent an email out saying the government are closing things down again in anticipation of a second wave.
Well, Italy did not put in extreme curbs based on the assumption that this was not going to be considerably more lethal than any bog standard flu. But the number of fatalities now being reported from out there belie any such notion.
You touch your pint glass do you not? You touch the door handles no? Presumably you touch a table or chair? It’s not just about person to person direct contact. And it’s not just you who is touching, it’s the other punters, the bar staff etc. it’s all a chain reaction
At the same time whilst the government are still giving mixed messages I can get it why people feel it’s ok to go for a pint, but I do feel you need to think more about the wider chain reaction
Wasn’t there a case in the UK the other day though were a new born and mother both had it?
They were trying to find out if the baby was infected in the womb or pretty soon after delivery from the mum
Let’s say you have it but don’t have symptoms, you drink your pint, barman collects the empty. Boom, there’s the first transfer.
Obviously that’s not a one way process
There’s obviously a risk in everything we do now when it involves leaving your own home.
Wasting your time GB.
Sorry horse choker, quoted you by mistake.
Point 2 is what is worrying me, not that's its closed but its took 3 of the things to get the sick under control and kind of clear the decks for new patients. No where in Europe can do that, look at the figures Italy and Spain are likely on track to have more deaths than China, Iran too. This virus can be treated the problem in Europe seems to be a capacity to do so, something China over came in 2 weeks.
I don't exactly know...I'm just winging it for now. Keen to just have a place for important info that isn't clogged up with chat.
Mate you are arguing with ignorance.
Maybe worse, this guy seems to claim he doesn't care about going on so that entitles him to put everyone else at risk.
I'd just not bother going further, he clearly isn't going to try to understand and it'll just wind you up.
They probably will have more deaths. Fact of the matter is that China, Hong Kong, Japan etc have learnt lessons from previous epidemics like SARS. These lessons have helped them deal with this. Of course they'll not learn the lesson in not eating a live bat but that's beside the point.
I agree we'll see more deaths in Europe, we're not built do deal with things like this. However, in a way, it might be helpful to have a situation like this, once this settles down (whenever that may be), you can bet significant lessons will be learnt to better deal with whatever the next threat is.
The worse news has happened today, brace yourselves, Eastenders has suspended filming due to Corona Virus.
You think that’s bad? Bono’s after recording a song for Italy.
God save us.
No it's probably called "Bono save us"
I completely agree. Paradoxically, if you prioritise immediate health over longer term economics there is a good chance you reduce overall health outcomes over the next 10 years.
I think the issue on this board is that so many people think we live under a corrupt government and corrupt system they feel as if the money can be easily recovered from "the rich" once this is over and our public services will not suffer. I don't think that this is true, and I think we have stored up huge problems for ourselves by damaging the economy to this extent.
There will be no better investment any country can make in the near future than creating a vaccination programme for this disease. Any country not doing that won't be worth living in.
If China don't get it back, this is valid. Until we know that you can't say they've overcome it.
Where have I suggested it does? Simply they probably have more important issues to worry about than imagined racism.
Also recall the draconian measures china took compared to our feeble attempts.
Don't take this literally. It's a risk management technique called scenario analysis that looks at worst case situations to help organizations deal with once in a generation type problems.