Yeah, that's a pretty fair take. Scary times either way.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Silly Question time: I normally go around at night taking photos in my hometown. I do it alone and if I don't touch anything there's zero chance I can get this, right?
FFS. Did she keep her pornstar name?The mayor of San Francisco is called London Breed
I worked at the Lancet, only as an admin bod mind. Although he was a bit arrogant at times he seemed a very ethical, honest guy. I don't think anyone can interpret this as political points scoring but instead it's genuine dismay at what's happened.
You could be the caf's case study on that!
Now pulled by the BBC
If I'm promised a nice tagline I'd be up for it.
You’ll be fine.
2.4 million people who work at pubs, clubs, restaurants, theatres, etc. are at risk of losing their jobs in the UK after the recent shutdown advisories.
That's just the tip of the iceberg.
That's just the tip of the iceberg.
Oh sorry, missed that response initially between different replies.
My issue with it is that various governments have argued that the careful timing and planning of measures is critical, a point I've then happily recycled when people suggest various measures need to be taken earlier. The point being that every day matters, every measure has secondary effects, every decision has to be carefully weighed against its context.
It's then difficult to square that with the argument that an early and easily avoidable shift in approach will have had no impact, even if we're told by the people who made the original misjudgment that the strategies weren't that different anyway. They were certainly different enough to attract the intense and urgent criticism of people who subsequently turned out to be correct.
All countries will and should evolve their strategies as new information is presented to them. That doesn't mean they're above being criticised for errors though. And it's hard to frame this as anything other than an error when the fundamental flaw in their initial approach was so immediately obvious to others and could have been avoided simply by sticking closer to what the WHO was recommending.
I mean even random idiots on the caf turned out to have been right. That's enough to dent my confidence in any government.
Spanish flu, is called the Spanish flu because nobody else reported it. It didn't originate in Spain.
There's more chance you get hit by a car.
With UK, they can still close schools soon and then a lockdown and still be inline with France or Spain as they're a few weeks ahead in the spread. I checked online and France closed schools at around 5000 cases and 120 dead 5 days ago. We're quite a ways yet and have done more testing than France and Spain.
Netherlands have jumped up quite a bit with 1700 cases and 43 deaths with 17 million population.
UK will react just like Italy, France Spain when some big numbers come in.
Netherlands have jumped up quite a bit with 1700 cases and 43 deaths with 17 million population.
UK will react just like Italy, France Spain when some big numbers come in.
Hope your neighbours remember to draw the curtains.
That would defeat his purpose.
Butting in here but I totally agree. SARS, MERS and now this. Its always them.
This can't go unchallenged.
This is all a bit surreal. I've been on annual leave since Wednesday and due back at work on Monday morning. I work for Adult Social Services and have no idea what is going on work wise, right now. Also have a stinking cold. Not really liking forward to returning to work on Monday, and wondering what the hell is going to happen if things like LD day services close for a period.
Might be time to train in something else.
Might be time to train in something else.
Is that you, @Sassy Colin?
I think the western govts showed exactly where they stand, when they refused to put in place travel restrictions to China when this thing started.
I'm wondering if China will have the same policy. Everyday now, they seem to be reporting that their biggest source of infections now is Europe. So i wonder how long it will take them to ban travel from Europe or at least heavily quarantine anyone coming from Europe.
The PC crowd? Its just science isn't it? Viruses mutate and spread between animals all the time, humans being just another animal that gets infected from and passes infections onto other mammals. This has happenned since the dawn of time. I'm not sure there is much China could have done to prevent it.
I mean the clue is in the name that the Middle East Respiratory Syndrome didn't originate in China...
When SARS happened they closed the wet wildlife trade but then reopened it, in 100% sure this time it will not be reopened as this is affecting the whole world and there will be international backlash if they did
Some interesting articles on the Guardian on the ethics of Big Brother in the age of the coronavirus:
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-...us-turned-big-brother-into-a-house-of-horrors
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ews-big-brother-germany-cut-off-from-covid-19
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-...us-turned-big-brother-into-a-house-of-horrors
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ews-big-brother-germany-cut-off-from-covid-19
Not them.
I go around parks and abandoned areas, so getting mugged is my only concern.
You should obviously be complying with whatever national guidance you have, but most countries are letting people go outside for exercise and mental health. It's the social interaction that needs to be limited. I think if I needed some fresh air, I'd be driving somewhere fairly remote, as we long we would be allowed to get there.
It's not always them and a clue lies in the name of one of the acronyms you just used. There have been transfers from consumption of vectors in Africa too in the last century although China's population densities and productionised wet markets does make it a high risk area. This doesn't mean, however, that the global community needs to stop wet markets and the bush meat trades and not just for disease management. Not easy to enforce though.
that's what the Spanish say.
Oi! Me and @Di Maria's angel are not idiots!
Well... he isn't, though I am, to be fair.
But I'm not random!
Wait MERS? That wasnt in China was it?
.38% is nowhere near the worst that Imperial College is predicting, what on earth are you talking about? Here is the actual word for word assessment of the worst case scenario for the UK from the Imperial College study:
That's twice your figure and doesn't even take into account the excess deaths caused by lack of access to necessary healthcare.
Your figure is based on the number of deaths being 250,000. That is an optimistic figure, not a worst case scenario. Again from the study:
No, it's from Kansas.
The irony, considering Africa has got off relatively lightly thus far while America's response has potentially been the worst of any country up til now.
Hopefully not true...
Yeah I take my son skateboarding at night (empty carparks mainly) and am also concerned that it's defo ok (the carparks are busy in the day).
Dream scenario and the smallest loss would be something like 21 day total lockdown in the entire world, army and police in proper suits and masks on the streets patrolling and SOS lines for the weakest. It would probably stop the virus from spreading totally, but of course it's pretty much impossible with so many irresponsible people around us.
Think it's more to do with the crippling economic sanctions that the country has been under, than anything to do with the disease, to be quite honest with you