It's what I feel also. But so many people appear so angry at the government for not doing it now. I guess what I didn't consider earlier is that people/posters are saying that in the belief that a lockdown will eventually and in a short enough time lead to us eradicating the virus. I think we have no chance of that when you think how quickly it has spread from one food market to the entire World.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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It's what I feel also. But so many people appear so angry at the government for not doing it now. I guess what I didn't consider earlier is that people/posters are saying that in the belief that a lockdown will eventually and in a short enough time lead to us eradicating the virus. I think we have no chance of that when you think how quickly it has spread from one food market to the entire World.
But they eat carvery of a Sunday, so it doesn't sound that good.So what are the predictions for UK lockdown?
Next Monday is my guess.
A lockdown buys time to find a vaccine though.
20% requiring hospitalisation is catastrophic. The NHS is struggling as it is. A proportion of these will require HDU/ICU beds which are already being stretched. I'm fairly sheltered in the cancer hospital, but I have close friends triaging in major hospitals and the protocols they have implemented already are pretty scary. I won't go into details about them but it's brutal.
We see surges throughout winter with the flu, I'd say on average in a busy medical receiving unit maybe 5 - 10% will be in because of the flu. However, the reason they've presented is that the flu has triggered an underlying condition to flare up and that requires the hospitalisation. We normally don't find out they've got flu till day 2 of their stay and by then they've been in multi-bed rooms etc.
95% of that 5 - 10% are over 70. (Roughly). Although there's a significant amount of flu attending in winter, it is nowhere near what the potential for COVID could be. It's going to be a hellish spring/summer.
Are we gonna lockdown for 10 months though? It'd never work and the entire World as we know it would be ruined.
I think schools will go this week. Monday will be the last day.
Some point in April, for 4 to 6 weeks.
They'll ideally be able to delay it till May, though.
With 4+ years to the next general election, I only pray Boris has more sense than to factor political strategy into this thinking. It’s a pretty odious Cabinet and political advisor to place that faith in.
I can’t get too excited about the next steps and their exact timing, as if you read enough you will know what they roughly are (https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...-a-guide-to-what-you-can-expect-across-the-uk). Most of Western Europe is on the same path and I think we’ll find the various steps will have little effect, in comparison to the virus just taking its fairly natural course when already widely prevalent. I think we have less agency than we might be comfortable admitting.
The lessons will hopefully be learnt about we tackle these sort of outbreaks early and hard globally going forward. Look at the appetite for taking this seriously a month ago even. You think a lockdown would have been adhered to or had any effect, other than just undermining future attempts? There were people thinking the football wasn’t even jeopardy three weeks ago. Nobody gave a feck. We can’t solve today’s problem with yesterday’s solution. We’ve been fecked since January and the initial cover up. Unless the whole of the West cut East Asia off at that stage, we were done for, and even then we needed fortune.
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Is that true?
In one week they'll issue the instruction for over 70's and risk groups to isolate.
I think they'll hold off lockdown until early April.
Even 2 weeks is better than nothing. Stops the spread for a while at least.
I'd have thought a 4 week total lock down and nobody entering or leaving the country for however long would be the best way to go
Friday midday
He also ranted about how he did care about people by listing the responsibilities of the job he's paid to do as somehow being proof to his altruism. He also clearly doesn't know what affluent means.
He also thinks that identifying people by their job roles is a definitive assessment of their character and ability to think clearly. In my experience one teacher can be both the best and worst person to teach others so it's irrelevant to me. Fair fecks to him for being a curriculum head though, truly. You don't just fall into those roles and they do take a look of effort to get. But how that relates to coronavirus alludes me
But, having said that, having a go at someone you disagree with and resorting to childish insults is a bit of a dick move. You and I disagree with him, he disagrees with us. Let's try and keep it civil at the very least.
I mean, when he realises that he's responsible for putting children's lives at risk he'll need all the support he can get. Hurr
It might be the biggest thing to come out of this by the end, if something comes, with a massive mortality rate, next time we should cut it off at source.
A vaccine is "a year to a year and a half" away. By that point, everyone will have already been infected, with or without any lockdown.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/14/politics/anthony-fauci-trump-coronavirus/index.html
Aye, stop eating disease carrying animals would be a start.
After 4 weeks this virus isn't gone though, and we'll still be maybe a year off a vaccine, so when it explodes again in 8 weeks, what then?
That's what the UK is getting at. Going full lockdown now, what will it achieve? Will it eradicate the virus? It appears not unless we lockdown WorldWide for months. Is the NHS at breaking point yet? No.
So they want to leave the lockdown for as late as possible, not to eradicate the virus, but to save the NHS and allow them to save as many lives as possible.
I think too many people are convinced that lockdowns will stop this in it's tracks.
Not yet.
Thank god SARS/MERS didn't spread like Covid19.
It isn't? So why are we doing 2 week self isolations? That suggests to me that 2 weeks and it's gone? 4 weeks is 2 weeks plus an extra 2 for safety, then nobody else entering the country means it can't be put back into the population? I'm not totally up with everything though so I am probably wrong. Just how a simple guy thinks though.
That would be grand.
Of course not! NEVER take anything I say seriously. Ever.Is that true?
Weekend will see ban on mass gatherings. Lockdown by next Monday?
To «flatten the curve». It is to avoid everyone getting sick at the same time so the health care system doesn’t collapse. The virus can’t be stopped - to my knowledge - just slowed down.
Well consider this came from one person, patient zero. We can stop it by lockdown in 2-4 weeks if we can ensure that every single person on the planet will be in lockdown for those 2-4 weeks and won't pass it on to anyone.
Quite frankly that's going to be impossible.
ISIS must be feeling pretty shitty about itself after all the work they put in and then this teeny little virus brings the entire world to a stand still. Wish I knew one to rub it in.
Yes, 1/5 will still be devastating. I’ve not said anything to suggest it won’t be. I just had to pull you up on what was clearly a misleading post, so now that you accept it was then we can move on. And given I can understand what the government is trying to do, I don’t really see the need to be angry at them really.
2 weeks from now (29th March) till the pressure will be too much on the government. But only because of pressure.
Seriously, the thought is absolutely terrifying.
How very... Italian. I liked it.
If a lockdown isn't announced this week I'll be very surprised and the government will be very negligent.
Is that true?
Most of the initial infected are related to a wet market in Wuhan, when live wildlife animals are kept and butchered.
How it originated is still not clear. It looks that it came from a bat who infected some other animal, which eventually infected one (or several) humans. Did that happen recently, or the jump between the bat and the intermediate species happened 20-70 years is still a topic of research. Nevertheless, not a good idea to eat wildlife animals, and not a good idea to keep dozens of different species near each other in disgusting conditions. Sooner or later, something like this was bound to happen.
Bumble fumble woffle poppycock fibble dibble er er er gotta keep woshhhing your hands for errr at least 20 seconds.
They got Trump elected and his handling of this is going to result in a huge amount of deaths. Obviously more fortune than design on their part there, though.
Out of curiosity, if the UK goes into 'Lockdown', what does this actually mean? Is it mainly a curfew on large gatherings etc?