Germany is doing such a good job at keeping the number of deaths down. How?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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@Ekkie Thump
Is it that 5% of all people who get coronavirus will need access to the ICU or just 5% of identified cases (as in excluding the portion of the 60% whose symptoms are mild enough not to register officially)? Because if it's the latter then that would at least change the math somewhat.
Is it that 5% of all people who get coronavirus will need access to the ICU or just 5% of identified cases (as in excluding the portion of the 60% whose symptoms are mild enough not to register officially)? Because if it's the latter then that would at least change the math somewhat.
And Iran are apparently digging mass graves size of football fields. Sounds like they're not doing too good.
Don’t know about walking the dog but it’s definitely dangerous arguing with someone on Facebook
Do you think you would have single case if someone didn't brought it from Italy/China, etc? Stopping it when you already have it is difficult, but if anyone reacted on time we would have far less cases.
The beer, sausage and cigarettes usually get them before their 80s.
Well we have vaccines to control the flu and it doesn't have the same impact on the public health system. The more you let it spread, the more money and people you need to take care of critical cases. And of course the more people will be unable to work anyway.
You are right, of course you can walk the bloody dog
But avoiding crowds is obviously important. I live in the middle of nowhere, so it’s a bit easier to go outside and get some exercise.It depends entirely on who got it and at which stage of the infection they are. They currently have +3900 active cases, the demographic of these cases will give you an answer.
Probably just luck/statistical anomaly at this moment.
Our own government already said that over the long term our numbers will be similar to that of comparable countries.
Or it is something in the water and thus the beer. Good that I stocked up on beer.....
Given how many people have previously blamed Tory austerity for the indirect death of thousands, it seems odd to now dismiss the concerns over how various measures will damage the economy.
Obviously the virus itself has to be the priority. But it's entirely correct to factor in the effects measures will have on the economy too because damage to the economy will also lead to severe issues and potentially deaths. It's not quite the people vs. profit dynamic some are making it out to be.
Obviously the virus itself has to be the priority. But it's entirely correct to factor in the effects measures will have on the economy too because damage to the economy will also lead to severe issues and potentially deaths. It's not quite the people vs. profit dynamic some are making it out to be.
I believe this is correct. With HIV, after the initial seroconversion phase, one can go years without symptoms but the virus is still there. The point of ART drugs are that they keep your viral load to a minimum so that your T-Cell count doesn’t drop to a low enough number that it develops into AIDS
It's fecking ridiculous that anyone is in this position. What the actual feck were we doing for the last few months? Why did we continuously go on about being prepared for this? Clearly we're not.
Completely agree. There is a massive disconnect between governmental policy and on-the-ground reality in primary and secondary care.
The intensive care provision in our country makes this strategy incredibly callous. The bigger issue is even if they converted theatre rooms to ICU beds/rooms and provided hospitals with more ventilators there simply aren't enough nursing and medical staff equipped to deal with those equipments and look after patients on invasive ventilation.
I think a big part of the flattening the curve theory is to limit the number of people requiring ventilation at any one time but its extremely presumptuous. I'm shocked at our government's strategy. I understand difficult decisions have to be made but we are gambling with so many lives on the basis of behaviour psychology.
Would be interested to know what are the different ways of testing for it? Is the swab test actually just someone looking through a microscope?
I'm still amazed how something that probably started out in a Chinese food market has expanded to such an international scale. I struggle to comprehend that.
Is this viable?
You can’t hope to win with some. It’s more others that are on the fence or are willing to have a sensible discussion with a different perspective, that you hope to engage with. He just went way too far.
The failure of the WHO and the governments of the world to take this seriously until its too late.
Our government is a shining example of this.
Welcome to modern life. Just shows how easy it is to spread if countries allow people to walk in through borders unchecked. A little understandable if they're land massed but largely unforgivable for islands. Where it should be significantly easier to quarantine people entering the country.
I see your point but from what we know this is more infectious and has a higher mortality than the flu. And we have a flu vaccine too.
Sure, with hindsight that would happen. This is a highly contagious infection and China suppressed the details of it initially so I don't think it was ever realistic to completely shut it down without the benefit of hindsight. It just isn't realistic to shutdown economies every time a contagion like this threatens. We've been waiting 100 years for something as problematic as the Spanish Flu, there have been numerous less problematic viruses in the years since that didn't require the nuclear option for containment.
This. And the general disregard of the public towards any public health risk unless its starting to kill 100s or 1000s of people.
Not sure if already posted earlier in the thread but Arlene Foster talking about school closures for 16 weeks. That is a serious length of time....totally hammer working parents
So surprising to see the forum Tory society all sing from the same hymn sheet in this thread.
Post it please. I certainly haven't seen and I I literally sleep in this thread.
That is a childish way of characterising the UK strategy and suggests you have read nothing that explains it.
A very good summary.
Variance will play massive role in day-to-day numbers. Some days luckier, other days tragic. It will be the patterns that emerge over weeks that will be key.
Countries should be able to compare their mortality data because of standards in death coding, but how countries are creating cohort samples may lead to muddying of waters.
Someone on my IG has just gone bowling FFS.
Italy thing happened probably more than ten days ago. Our(Bosnian) inept goverment who are probably the worst goverment in the world started putting in quarantine people arriving from Italy and China last week, they also banned public events last week, and stopped schools last friday, and by the looks of it we are doing good so far. No one said UK should have done it one month ago, but literally 4 days ago they allowed 3000 madrid fans to travel to your country while Madrid is already one of the worst infected cities in Europe.
Does anybody know, at which time France and Italy give updates on their cases?
It’s on the guardian’s live stream
https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...own-sport-events-cancelled-latest-update-news
Haven’t got a tweet
edit: 14:03 on their timeline