How can you keep a certain distance from other people in your home if you're self isolating without your family? You're quoting things and ignoring what they actually say. The government is telling you to self isolate in your home, for a lot of people that means with family.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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When is the earliest this is likely to have been in the UK ? When did testing for it start?
Are you planning on not doing anything outside your home until September?
As I understand it, the test is a PCR-based test. That means it looks at all the DNA in the nasal swab, and amplifies a particular part. If that part is present, it gets amplified and shows up, otherwise nothing.
I wonder if the sequence of opposite tests could be the result of a very low concentration of pathogen which did and didn't make it to the swab. Basically a little virus was latent in the nose, and some swabs caught enough of it to amplify, and others didn't. Not that he was getting infected and uninfected constantly.
Also, someone more on the clinical side might have the answer, but why is the testing so rare and expensive? PCRs are used routinely in labs since the 80s and the reagents for them are mass produced already, surely that can be ramped up?
Benidorm yesterday
The UK response is backed by all parties.
It was already in the UK community and for the reasons detailed in my other post, the fans from Madrid posed little threat to the UK. Most experts predict that this virus will become endemic in the population and will become a feature of seasonal viruses. The vaccine is generally predicted as being 18 months away. Is Bosnia going to close it's doors and schools for the next 18 months? This isn't a short term issue unfortunately.
Don’t think we could be worried about Madrid fans at that stage. Our country already cases all over the country. It makes sense to be super strict with your borders if the cost implications are not too high early on, and you stop the virus even entering the country, but once the virus is everywhere, I’m not sure it had much value.
It will be interesting to see in the months and years to follow whether any countries actually so succeed in keeping it out until vaccines are available. I just can’t see how it is possible, even for a place like North Korea. A few island communities and super isolated tribes will have more luck.
If you're self-isolating, the NHS says:
- try to keep at least 2 metres (3 steps) from other people in your home, particularly older people or those with long-term health conditions
- ask friends and family and delivery services to deliver things like food shopping and medicines – but avoid contact with them
Try watching this from 7:00
It's not ideal, but it's better than sleeping outside and more physically possible than everyone descending on the hospital all at once.
I live near a park. I will happily walk around there.
I will also obviously be going shopping for food when necessary.
Otherwise, at home for the foreseeable.
That's true and a somewhat comforting thought. I'm not certain but I *think* that it's based on proven infections in China. The rate for proven infections in Lombardy is thought to be 12% - though Lombardy trends older.
It's also true that another vital factor in the equation is bed days. It seems likely that Covid-19 patients require significantly longer than a single day in the ICU. I've struggled to find data on this but this study (warning: direct link to an automatic pdf download) showed a median stay 10 days (small study, plenty of limitations).
People that have money to spare seemingly don't understand how being in lockdown for a very long time is impossible and will cause global chaos.
The people that brought you Brexit didn't want you to listen to the experts about the economy but now want you to listen to other experts whose plan could result in many deaths.
The UK is a weird country.
The UK is a weird country.
Thanks.
From the Government website:
My sister and her house mates laughed themselves silly at those guidelines. She finds it hard enough to motivate her housemates to clean the bathroom every other week let alone after every use.
Yeah somehow I don't think the party that has spent the last decade starving disabled people to death is now suddenly very concert about the potentially deaths that could arise due to economic damage.
Careful lads, you might get labelled as 'prejudist' (spelling isn't changed) for actually caring about old / vulnerable people, or 'extremist' by one these Tory Boy idiots for having some of that putrid Human passion that is so problematic for these type of policies.
Scoring points even in a thread like this. Humanity is truly pathetic.
To be fair, with the kind of demographic that Benidorm attracts from the UK populace, what should we expect?
Be thankful you don't live in the UK because it's a pretty ridiculous place to live right now.
How much money would the treasury save by not having to pay state pensions to older victims of the virus?
It's the same everywhere, mate.
A human's ego is a very fragile thing.A close friend of mine is on a foreign exchange at the uni in Sheffield and wants to come home. Hope to feck she makes it out before Norway close its borders! She’s really scared.
Noggie PM expected to adress the nation at 5 PM.
Noggie PM expected to adress the nation at 5 PM.
I do wonder if the mistrust towards the mainstream media that has been part of the social/political discourse over the past 5 years or so has had an impact here. You have the president of the world's superpower going to war with the media every single day and politicians in England saying that we've had enough of experts so some people are saying it's all media bollocks. On the other side of it, you have people madly rushing to buy toilet rolls and starting fights in supermarkets.
It's the same everywhere, mate.
It's a very polite civil war over here, what with Brexit, Johnson and now this. We're all throwing gloves at each other.
It's funny if you're only thinking about yourself.From the Government website:
My sister and her house mates laughed themselves silly at those guidelines. She finds it hard enough to motivate her housemates to clean the bathroom every other week let alone after every use.
The isolation also helps protects others.
According to the CMO Chris Whitty, self isolation by everyone can reduce the peak by 25%; self isolation by households at a later stage of the epidemic can reduce the peak by 50%
It's viable as a way to stop coronavirus, I think. The article doesn't go into any details but it may be extremely unviable in every other way - foreign antibodies might start attacking our own cells, similar to what can happen if blood type isn't matched before transfering. But the people doing this will 100% be aware of that and possibly working around it. I don't work with human biology so I don't know what that method would look like, but I doubt a simple transfer would do it.
From the Government website:
My sister and her house mates laughed themselves silly at those guidelines. She finds it hard enough to motivate her housemates to clean the bathroom every other week let alone after every use.
Yeah those guidelines are fecking silly. I live with my younger brother and he really doesn't give one feck about this virus and thus his hygiene is as it always was: nonexistent. So, I'm resigned to catching it off him at one point or another.
Well no shit sherlock! That's the whole point of self isolation. You're being fecking weird as feck in this thread right now.
By not counting deaths of old people and people who are already sick.
They’d also lose half their voter base.
Interesting. Our Dr Campbell says that had China acted 3 weeks earlier, the number of cases would have been reduced by 95%. What was stopping the world from acting earlier?
We're quick to judge the Chinese but we're just as bad as them.
I like this guy. I like his opinion of the WHO - they're just as culpable for whats happening across the world. Bunch of fecking cnuts.
We're quick to judge the Chinese but we're just as bad as them.
I like this guy. I like his opinion of the WHO - they're just as culpable for whats happening across the world. Bunch of fecking cnuts.
Yeah, but this is a game-changer for the whole world.It's a very polite civil war over here, what with Brexit, Johnson and now this. We're all throwing gloves at each other.
I was hoping debate would be encouraged, because there is literally no win from this situation. The only way to deal with it is to find methods that would create the least amount of long-term problems. We can't just stay in lockdown for months, it's absurd and anarchy would ensue.
I believe that Italy has 2x as many smokers as the UK and that smokers are 50% more likely to require intensive care. I think @11101 posted those stats.
What? How do we know they're doing this?
First confirmed diagnosis were on 31st of January, so I presume targetting tested began a few days before that at most.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51325192
Can someone explain the thought process in stockpiling toilet roll? Id understand food, but why are people buying a shit ton?