It isn't a u-turn whatsoever. As has been explained already several times, it is about timing the responses accordingly. The science is also rarely well understood, so most of the time the "perfect answer" is never known. You are well within your rights to say you don't agree with decisions and you think things can be done differently, but calling it a u-turn is nonsense. You simply don't have a black and white situation here. It is also dynamic, so the decisions made vary as the situation changes.
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It isn't a u-turn whatsoever. As has been explained already several times, it is about timing the responses accordingly. The science is also rarely well understood, so most of the time the "perfect answer" is never known. You are well within your rights to say you don't agree with decisions and you think things can be done differently, but calling it a u-turn is nonsense. You simply don't have a black and white situation here. It is also dynamic, so the decisions made vary as the situation changes.
They closed boarders with china fairly early, and since that I think they've did good job isolating anyone with the virus. 2 weeks at home is infinitely better than spending 5 years in a russian prison. There is pattern emerging here, countries who enforce very drastic measures, tend to arrest the spread. Look at Taiwan, Hong Kong, Romania, Russia, China. They've all did an excellent job so far.
Just paranoia dude. People are saying that the UK is gonna suffer cause the government is not doing enough to slow down the disease, not 'we hate UK'.
In fact, a lot of people who are saying that are actually from UK.
I.e. myself
In the bright side: it won't turn that bad. The lockdown will have an effect soon, and will slow down the spread.
On the dark side: that sheet finishes at March. It is gonna be a long, long year, and it is gonna be much worse than that.
The article describes it as a u-turn.
The sheet also falls apart as soon as the number of infections exceeds testing capacity. We don't know how quick or slow the spread will be, how effective the actions are going. Sadly, it seems like the only reliable data soon enough will be the daily no. of deaths.
What's a boarder and how do you close it?
I think so. In order to not spread the infection, please stay home as much as possible for the next few monthsIs paranoia a symptom
Thanks for useless response. Quick google tells the cases in Paracas are 2 Italians and 1 Peruvian who resides in Italy. Are there newer cases in addition or were you totally wrong also?
Whatever the rights and wrongs of the response from the British government, we're at a much earlier stage than almost anybody else in Europe.
As has been stated numerous times, the UK will institute a lockdown when the time is right to flatten the curve. If we go too early, the country will require a another lockdown in the future and the resulting civil unrest will make the second quarantine unsuccessful.
This isn't just about best practice. It's about managing a recalcitrant population despite themselves. Brits are culturally very different from Singaporeans, and that needs to be taken into account.
| Country, Other | Total Cases | New Cases | Total Deaths | New Deaths | Total Recovered | Active Cases | Serious, Critical | Tot Cases/ 1M pop |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Italy | 17,660 | +2,547 | 1,266 | +250 | 1,439 | 14,955 | 1,328 | 292.1 |
| Norway | 995 | +195 | 1 | 1 | 993 | 27 | 183.5 | |
| S. Korea | 7,979 | +110 | 71 | +5 | 510 | 7,398 | 93 | 155.6 |
| Denmark | 801 | +127 | 1 | 800 | 2 | 138.3 | ||
| Iran | 11,364 | +1,289 | 514 | +85 | 3,529 | 7,321 | 135.3 | |
| Switzerland | 1,139 | +271 | 11 | +4 | 4 | 1,124 | 131.6 | |
| Bahrain | 210 | +13 | 44 | 166 | 1 | 123.4 | ||
| Spain | 5,232 | +2,086 | 133 | +47 | 193 | 4,906 | 190 | 111.9 |
| Qatar | 320 | +58 | 320 | 111.1 | ||||
| Sweden | 814 | +127 | 1 | 1 | 812 | 2 | 80.6 | |
| Slovenia | 141 | +45 | 141 | 4 | 67.8 | |||
| Estonia | 79 | +52 | 79 | 59.6 | ||||
| China | 80,815 | +1 | 3,177 | 64,152 | 13,486 | 4,020 | 56.1 | |
| France | 3,661 | +785 | 79 | +18 | 12 | 3,570 | 154 | 56.1 |
| Austria | 504 | +143 | 1 | 6 | 497 | 1 | 56.0 | |
| Belgium | 559 | +160 | 3 | 1 | 555 | 2 | 48.2 | |
| Netherlands | 804 | +190 | 10 | +5 | 2 | 792 | 1 | 46.9 |
| Germany | 3,675 | +930 | 8 | +2 | 46 | 3,621 | 9 | 43.9 |
| Singapore | 200 | +13 | 97 | 103 | 11 | 34.2 | ||
| Finland | 155 | +46 | 1 | 154 | 28.0 | |||
| Kuwait | 100 | +20 | 5 | 95 | 4 | 23.4 | ||
| Greece | 190 | +73 | 1 | 2 | 187 | 2 | 18.2 | |
| Ireland | 90 | +20 | 1 | 89 | 6 | 18.2 | ||
| Hong Kong | 132 | +1 | 4 | +1 | 77 | 51 | 4 | 17.6 |
| Israel | 126 | +17 | 4 | 122 | 2 | 14.6 | ||
| Czechia | 141 | +25 | 141 | 2 | 13.2 | |||
| UK | 798 | +208 | 11 | +1 | 18 | 769 | 20 | 11.8 |
As has been stated numerous times, the UK will institute a lockdown when the time is right to flatten the curve. If we go too early, the country will require a another lockdown in the future and the resulting civil unrest will make the second quarantine unsuccessful.
This isn't just about best practice. It's about managing a recalcitrant population despite themselves. Brits are culturally very different from Singaporeans, and that needs to be taken into account.
I think we will see it in around 10 days - 2 weeks. If it gets the same trend as China/S.Korea, then the number of cases will start falling around 2 weeks after the actions took place.
28 in Lima.
Glorified Eugenics.
I have strong feeling that History won't look back kindly on this strategy, nor on us for sitting back and accepting it.
Russia is a dead end geographically, and I mean there's no connection flights, it's not a big tourist destination. So people don't tend to visit Russia unless they really have to. Which is stark difference between Turkey, who has one of the biggest airports in the world, with 200 million people coming through every year I think. So I'd be shocked if there was no cases in Turkey.
Also, Russia has strict measures in place so I have no reason to disbelieve their low numbers. And to add, again, I've immediate family living in a city with more than a million people, if the virus is in Russia they'd absolutely know about it and tell me. Things are looking good so far in Russia but it could change, all it takes is a cluster of cases.
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Read and laugh and cry:
https://statenews.com/article/2020/...EtyM3CTnRkM5JX4t8cGtMqTB4uLWpJLeT-IjnNxkSuA2k
Understand kids being kids but the bar owners are promoting it
https://statenews.com/article/2020/...EtyM3CTnRkM5JX4t8cGtMqTB4uLWpJLeT-IjnNxkSuA2k
Understand kids being kids but the bar owners are promoting it
Isn't that essentially the act of pirating?
Yeah I definitely don't want to watch that. I love cats and dogs and I know they get sold on those live markets. Obviously not all Chinese practice those horrible customs but some do, it's a fact. Hopefully, this will be a wake up call.
I think so. In order to not spread the infection, please stay home as much as possible for the next few months
Are you a medical professional? I'm getting Shipman vibes about this
1 day? They changed their mind in 1 day. How does that have anything to do with their timing?
More people travel to Russia from China than China to Europe (which to be fair isn't surprising considering the border).
And I was under the impression that there are 4 in paracas. A hotel manager from this morning too.
If you search paracas in this thread, you'll see I reported only 2 Italians were confirmed at the time.
He'd have a fecking field day if he was still knocking around. He would have been probably ultra high-net-worth after this pandemic. Hope he's nice and warm in hell, the fecking maniac.
US is even lower, so low in the number of cases, that it is not even in the table.
Essentially, if you don't test, you don't get cases.
They do. Theres lots of Chinese working in Russia as well but yeah they've closed the border for the time being.
Everybody changes their mind in 'one day'. That's how human beings make decisions.
You think one thing is right until the situation changes and then you reevaluate.
It's only right for policy makers to change direction over time. You can't expect them to stick with a single plan from day 0 all the way to the end of the pandemic.
Country | Tests Performed | Tests per Million People | Population | | |
Bahrain | 8,354 | 4,910 | 1,701,575 | OFFICIAL | |
South Korea | 210,144 | 4,099 | 51,269,185 | OFFICIAL | |
Hong Kong | 16,000 | 2,134 | 7,496,981 | Estimated | |
Italy | 60,761 | 1,005 | 60,461,826 | OFFICIAL | |
Switzerland | 5,000 | 578 | 8,654,622 | Estimated | Mar. 3: 4,000 source |
Austria | 5,026 | 558 | 9,006,398 | OFFICIAL | |
UK | 26,261 | 387 | 67,886,011 | OFFICIAL | |
Belgium | 3,984 | 344 | 11,589,623 | Estimated | Mar 9: 3,541 OFFICIAL source |
Australia | 8,278 | 325 | 25,499,884 | Estimated | |
Israel | 2,386 | 276 | 8,655,535 | Estimated | Mar. 8: 1,771 source |
France | 11,895 | 182 | 65,273,511 | Estimated | Mar. 5: 6,610 OFFICIAL source |
Finland | 720 | 130 | 5,540,720 | OFFICIAL Mar. 10 | |
Malaysia | 3,132 | 97 | 32,365,999 | OFFICIAL Mar. 10 | |
Japan | 9,600 | 76 | 126,476,461 | OFFICIAL Mar. 10 | |
Netherlands | 600 | 35 | 17,134,872 | Estimated | Mar. 2: 200 source |
USA | 8,554 | 26 | 331,002,651 | OFFICIAL Mar. 10 | |
Vietnam | 2,367 | 24 | 97,338,579 | OFFICIAL Mar. 10 | |
Turkey | 940 | 11 | 84,339,067 | Estimated | As of Mar 3: 940 OFFICIAL source |
The UK's tests per million is higher than the likes of France, Netherlands and Japan, and in a completely different league from the US.
The first table is indicative for nations that test to a reasonable level, and the UK meets that level. It's not indicative for nations that barely test at all, the USA and Turkey amongst them.
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Thanks
Yes I don't speak spanish and found a 2 day old article that I translated. Nobody is saying it doesn't spread at all in warm and humid. Seems like a lot of cases in Peru are travel related so too early to give significance to either direction.I believe they banned the flights from China and East Asia during the initial outbreak. And in the last couple of weeks, they (along with Israel) have mandated quarantines all visitors from Europe for 2 weeks.
Hong Kong and Singapore's method more of prevention is more reliable science because it's been proven to work. Wasn't that the closest "perfect answer" that the government didn't bother with?
Really, I'm not falling for this one I'm afraid, any "science" terminology coming out from the government is purely political in my opinion. Unless they start showing us more of their reasoning behind their decisions.
at the people on here defending the massive u turn by this shit house of a government.
How is it a u-turn?
at the people on here defending the massive u turn by this shit house of a government.
The policy has always been to let things continue as normal until cases increase. Then institute gradual measures for containment. Then gradual measures for delay. Then gradual measures for lockdown. And finally a full lockdown.
All those stages are going to be met at some point. It won't be a u-turn at each.
Yeah there is a similar feeling with me too in that I don't like the xenophobic prejudice this type of thing inspires... but I do wish certain cultures would practice better animal rights. That video on Wuhan and the animals there was shocking.
Cause they said yesterday that they didn't believe banning mass gatherings would work.
ahoy matey
But why?
Do a lockdown now, there are just a few thousands of infected people, so it is easier to manage. Do a lockdown in 2-3 weeks and there are hundreds of thousands of infected people, so much more difficult to manage the spread.
Fair enough. I guess we'll see long term.