SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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I have to guess they make most of their money these days from online pics of celebs in bikinis.
Granted they lie to their readership on a daily basis but there's something really fecking bleak about this one, I thought I hated tories voters but turns out it's nothing compared to the hatred daily mail staff members have.
It was clear at the time shit was hitting the fan football wise Leicester and Man city already had players in isolation
There are 207 more cases today than there were when they said "Banning mass gatherings won't have any effect'
Stop with the bullshit.
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14
Banning mass gatherings was always going to happen. It was just a matter of when would be most appropriate.
The point at which it did happen was not a u-turn. It was a change in circumstance and one that rendered Johnson's previous comments void.
Johsnon's always been fluffy orator who says shit because he likes the sound of the words. Like I say, I don't care so much about what he says as I do the underlying rationale. I think we can all predict what that will be (and I've stated it several times above).
The light went from green to amber, so we're slowing things down. When it goes to red, we'll stop. They're not u-turns. We're still going in the same direction but trying to take things gradually so we don't crash.
Look at the video from yesterday, from 46:10. He says then than mass gatherings are currently under review, it's not a U-turn.
As I say look at the video, it was under review from yesterday.
We’re down the rabbit hole, lads.
North Korea also has no cases too.
By the way, I can also confirm there are no gays in Chechnya and that 96.77% of Crimean voters wanted to join Russia in the perfectly fair 2014 referendum.
up to 5 confirmed in the Faroes now. The last one arrived on a plane from Edinburgh.
'U-turns don't exist, actually' is not a take I'm playing with.
Yes, I know. They said they didn't think it would work but that they didn't rule it out. Then a day later they went with 'actually we're doing it now'.
That is a u-turn. Where one day you say you think one thing and the next day it is another. That is a u-turn. There is no definition of a u-turn that does not include this.
You might as well argue that reality is subjective at this point.
Anyone living in Barcelona? Have all the super yatchs fecked off yet?
He literally says it's currently under review and we may ban them. That's really clear, I genuinely don't understand how you can perceive that as a U-turn unless you have an agenda.
So are you suggesting that introducing mass gatherings would have reduced the number of those cases?
Russia is the 11th busiest country in the world for air travel (2018 figures). Keep digging.
"The scientific advice as we've said over the last couple of weeks is that banning such events will have little effect on the spread".
One day later...
'We're gonna have to ban such events'.
These last few pages are like watching cognitive dissonance and rationalisation in live action.
Even the daily mail and telegraph reckon this is a u-turn. It's fine if you previously defended the old position you know, no need to invent alternative history.
Even the daily mail and telegraph reckon this is a u-turn. It's fine if you previously defended the old position you know, no need to invent alternative history.
Dante already explained that Boris has not explained well the plan. Focus on the actual plan rather than the speech.
Because of the impact on services, which is the reason given as to why they would be banned.
Sorry, I'll stop entertaining them.
Papers have a vested interest in saying something is a U-turn, because its news, it sells. Have you watched the video and also think it's a U-turn?
What on earth are you talking about?
https://www.rbth.com/lifestyle/331816-russia-coronavirus-pandemic
A day is a lifetime here. There’s will be changes to policy virtually every day, as there has been in virtually every country across Europe. Don’t confuse strategy and tactics. You can have strategy which you follow over weeks and months, adjusting tactics as the scenario changes.
We already know what the next steps are as Sir Patrick Vallance and Chris Witty were open about on Thursday. At some point mass gatherings will no longer be permitted, at some schools will close, at some point workplaces will largely be shut down.
What on earth are you talking about?
You have evidence from your family members/friends that Russia appears to be coping. But a lot of people don't trust the Russian government so there is doubt about what exactly is going on in Russia, a bit like how people are cautious when having to rely on statistics which come from China.
Is it so hard to believe that Russia is dealing with this virus in a coherent manner?
Russia does whatever the feck they want to be honest so I wouldn't be confident either way.
Getting very scared for my parents now. Both over 60, both smoked all their lives until 2-3 years ago, Dad has heart issues. This would kill them.
They're taking precautions but it's my generation with our "Be grand" attitude that'll do the damage.
They're taking precautions but it's my generation with our "Be grand" attitude that'll do the damage.
completely off topic, but that headline perfectly encapsulates why humans are a doomed species. Whether biological, Climate Change etc: short term economic numbers > literal survival
So in your scenario, you lockdown now when just a few thousand people are infected. In a few weeks when hundreds of thousands are infected, are you continuing the lockdown further, or now telling people to commence life again?
Presumably you are locking down further at which point millions are infected, but people now are mentally fatigued, many households are fecked financially and/or out of resources, and infrastructure has begun to fail. There’s now civil unrest. Are you telling people to continue locking down because the worst shit is yet to come as we still have not reached the point where 10+ million infected at once?
You can’t lock down for 3 months and this shit is going to get worse and worse throughout that period, even with the most stringent lockdowns possible.
The health aspects of COVID-19 are one thing, the economic ramifications for individuals, for normal working class and lower middle class families are even more precarious. In six months time we will look back and realise the elderly in end of life care already were not the biggest victims of all this, but families who have to pick up the pieces are. I say this as someone who has five elderly grandparents of various states who I do not see all making it through this year. They will have it light compared to those who lose their job, their home, their business, all whilst battling ill health.
If this is the case why have they only banned them now ? What brand new information have they received within 24 hours that has told them there would now be an impact on services, when it's been clear for weeks that services are always going to be under a huge strain due to the virus. Again does it not worry you that the FA has a better reading on the virus than the British government ?
My company (american owned) is doing same. If your sick yourself its SSP, if you have kids and can't cover when the schools shut down then... well, your fecked. I assume its the same for most US/UK business as we try to adopt the strategy of 'carry on as normal'.
I'm sorry bit they really don't need a spin to sell news right now. You told me it was almost pointless just yesterday and defended the delay and accused other countries of gesturing with these same measures.
Christ if you lot arguing about timing truly meant one day later would be fine then god bless you what a waste of time.
In the UK you're entitled to dependents leave
They’ve moved to sampling. Estimate ranges with 95% confidence are more than good enough for planning in this scenario now you are no longer trying to react to each symptomatic patient. There’s zero value in knowing everyone infected right now and is a complete waste of resource to even bother trying.
I don't agree with the last sentence, but let's put that aside.
I have no idea about capacity, but if you look at the video Boris says it's right Scotland start banning events now, because of emergency services, and the same may happen in the rest of the UK soon. There is probably some metric they are looking at, but no one outside the inner workings of government has that information.
Well until we see otherwise, maybe like in Iran, then maybe just go along with what people are saying?
Last report I seen was on the 1st of March about the coronavirus in Ufa, which is the 10th largest city in Russia, and Bashkortostan is the most populous republic in the Russian Federation.
It was about a group of Chinese workers coming from China and showing symptoms of the coronavirus, they were quarantined straight away. There is the link to the post.
https://vk.com/wall-115466005_75269
I was defending the overall strategy, I'd much rather things would carry on. I understand there comes a point where it makes sense stuff should shut down, but I think that time period should be as short as possible.
I was never specifically talking about large sporting events/gatherings, and these are naturally the first things to go.
completely off topic, but that headline perfectly encapsulates why humans are a doomed species. Whether biological, Climate Change etc: short term economic numbers > literal survival
There is no danger of the human species being wiped out. In general, "survival" actually depends quite a lot on the economy, for example ensuring the NHS survives both through any pandemic and after it as well as providing the necessary funding to study the virus.
of course
Same, my dad's in his early 70s and still smokes plenty, has a bad cough at the best of times. Just gonna be constant stress for the next few months.